Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Ambrose Burnside]

Remember that year Pridda and Scott Selwood

Scott Selwood

Age

34

Ht

186cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.1

5star

K

8.8

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

6.8

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.2

3star

were 1-2 in the comp for tackles, and Pridda set a new all-time tackling record?

Spuds.

 

[ukurrie]

Or just a whatsapp group?

"Man downloads app"

 

[Astro7]

We are making money, our members keep paying even though most can't go. We are having a great year.

Yes, I noted that as well, members equating to business/money, but how about addressing the core problems first.

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Tackling this year ..,

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Sheed and Gaff stands out in that list, compared to other mids...Ryan also, most of low stats are defenders!

 

[kempy]

Can you put Geelongs up as a comparison? They are in the same age type window

Sure




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[Miguel Sanchez]

Geelong are bottom five in tackles, but still averaging more that 8 tackles a game more than us.

 

[flyinghi64]

without want and effort it doesn't matter what changes you implement.
As noted on the couch last night, our best game this year was against Carlton away at SCG with a much undermanned team where everyone put in effort and wanted to win and did. Last year was the Saints game.
We miss half a dozen senior players who are replaced by fringe/new players and have our best 2 games.
MMmmm, would it hurt to not wait for injuries and just DROP guys who DON"T WANT to put in effort?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I think my stance on Simmo’s future has been made pretty clear by now, but wherever you fall on the question of what we do going forward, let’s not go rewriting history.

2018 we were great, we did not simply get hot at the right time, we won 10 straight games to (essentially) open the season and finished a rightful second.

It also wasn’t a one season wonder, despite the (fair at the time) sentiment that we were absolutely on the decline post 2017.



Going forward, I understand people are split on what to do and where to next. But let’s not airbrush a really strong period of football because it appears to be coming to an end.

 

[Royalbeagle]

Dockers will be loving this and their memberships will be in demand. It’s a massive three weeks for them - especially the Derby - a must win.

 

[swingdog]

I think my stance on Simmo’s future has been made pretty clear by now, but wherever you fall on the question of what we do going forward, let’s not go rewriting history.

2018 we were great, we did not simply get hot at the right time, we won 10 straight games to (essentially) open the season and finished a rightful second.

It also wasn’t a one season wonder, despite the (fair at the time) sentiment that we were absolutely on the decline post 2017.

Going forward, I understand people are split on what to do and where to next. But let’s not airbrush a really strong period of football because it appears to be coming to an end.

Agree with all of that - we were the best team in 2018 despite what Richmond revisionists would like to think. It was pretty comprehensive towelling up we gave them during the season.

On the last part, what is frustrating is whether this is the natural time for the wheel to turn or whether it is being accelerated by a limited gameplay and poor effort.

One The Couch kept asking "why" the team is playing like this. I can't believe it's everyone out of form at the same time. There are factors to consider (rule changes hitting game plan, players another year older, lots of early season injuries) but I can't help but feel there's something rotten within the playing group that's contributing to games where we just don't try. Can't believe there's no rumours leaking out about it, if that's the case.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Yes it's hard to believe that we are sitting in the 8 yet I think the club has never ever been in such disarray on field.

It's wild isn't it - in fairness the first part of our season was quite good (bar geelong in geelong), which set us up.

It's really been post-bye that we've ****ing melted down & I don't really understand it.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

It's wild isn't it - in fairness the first part of our season was quite good (bar geelong in geelong), which set us up.

It's really been post-bye that we've ******* melted down & I don't really understand it.

Clearly there is something wrong internally. Nothing wrong with getting injuries and not playing your best footy but the total lack of effort and interest tells me this is much bigger than we know. The players are not trying and not putting in.
Going to be an interesting off season, could be all sorts of major changes.

 

[garlic munchers]

It's wild isn't it - in fairness the first part of our season was quite good (bar geelong in geelong), which set us up.

It's really been post-bye that we've ******* melted down & I don't really understand it.

Missing Masten's incisive ball skills and manic tackle mtaking?



(cue washing typing finger with Lonkoom 75% ethyl alcohol hand sanitzer).

 

[DanWCE]

I think my stance on Simmo’s future has been made pretty clear by now, but wherever you fall on the question of what we do going forward, let’s not go rewriting history.

2018 we were great, we did not simply get hot at the right time, we won 10 straight games to (essentially) open the season and finished a rightful second.

It also wasn’t a one season wonder, despite the (fair at the time) sentiment that we were absolutely on the decline post 2017.

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Going forward, I understand people are split on what to do and where to next. But let’s not airbrush a really strong period of football because it appears to be coming to an end.

I believe the reference was more to the way we started winning when finals rocked up. We switched to a more contested style and started winning ground balls, which are things which stack up in finals. It was kind of the final piece of the puzzle I guess, and seemed to happen when Gaff got suspended and Sheed got some continuity.

 

[bh90210fan]

If Nisbitt isn’t going to sort this shit out, we’ve got no choice but to storm head office and promote kaiserchief13 to the throne by force. Then we’ll see some changes goddammit

 

[bzparkes]

I just can't understand why we draft blokes who play juniors in one position and try to pigeon hole them into another. This strategy of draft 'best available' is actually dumb as dogshit.

When I managed restaurants and needed a good bartender, I didn't hire the best available waiter, I hired the best available bartender, even if their experience in the industry was less overall than the waiter. Why? Because most waiters are shit bartenders, so i wouldn't want to set them up to fail yet that's what we seem to do with our abundance of HBFs that we draft with one eye to move them into the midfield.

Conversely, someone like X.O'Neill gets sent to die on a HFF. Let him make or break in the midfield and if he's not up to it then let him go. Don't ruin his career trying to shoehorn him into a role he never played and wonder why he fails.

 

[Goroyals22]

I just can't understand why we draft blokes who play juniors in one position and try to pigeon hole them into another. This strategy of draft 'best available' is actually dumb as dogshit.

When I managed restaurants and needed a good bartender, I didn't hire the best available waiter, I hired the best available bartender, even if their experience in the industry was less overall than the waiter. Why? Because most waiters are sh*t bartenders, so i wouldn't want to set them up to fail yet that's what we seem to do with our abundance of HBFs that we draft with one eye to move them into the midfield.

Conversely, someone like X.O'Neill gets sent to die on a HFF. Let him make or break in the midfield and if he's not up to it then let him go. Don't ruin his career trying to shoehorn him into a role he never played and wonder why he fails.

You can marry that up with the other great idea to draft kids who were guns in their under 17 years but dont do much in their 18 year comps..


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[Matera92]

Not effort but energy...

Jesus H Christ

 

[FKASC]

It's as though as soon as we turn the ball over we are resigned to an inside 50 and can only hope the opposition choose to bomb it in long and high.

That’s literally been our gameplan for the last few years now. Hence the forwards and mids don’t bother trying to tackle when the ball gets turned over

 

[FKASC]

And he can't be afraid to put some noses out of joint in doing so.

Dean Cox to assistant coach confirmed

 

[squashface]

Dean Cox to assistant coach confirmed

Jesse Hogan to FF confirmed

 

[Balls In]

But let’s not airbrush a really strong period of football because it appears to be coming to an end.

As much as we suck at the moment I don't agree or accept that this era needs to be at an end. There's no need for a rebuild and no need to retire good players prematurely (like North did and have sucked ever since). We need a new coach with a new game plan who is prepared to call balls and strikes. Then pick up some role players in the offseason and hit a brutal preseason with anyone not buying in - gone/banished.

 

[FKASC]

The tackling has been a problem for years and the club refuses to address it. We are the weakest tackling team in the comp and other teams know to exploit it.

It’s the opposite of inferred pressure. They have supreme confidence to run and gun up the middle knowing we aren’t going to dispossess them. Then they know our defence is going to be setup expecting a hacked kick to a contest.

imagine how emboldened you’d feel as an aggressive running player knowing this

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

As much as we suck at the moment I don't agree or accept that this era needs to be at an end. There's no need for a rebuild and no need to retire good players prematurely (like North did and have sucked ever since). We need a new coach with a new game plan who is prepared to call balls and strikes. Pick up some role players in the offseason and hit a brutal preseason. Anyone not buying in - gone.

Well the current coach is contracted until 2024 so he ain’t going anywhere. Is it essential that we bring in a new one, or can the current one implement the new game plan and add role players over the offseason?

 

[Monocle]

I think my stance on Simmo’s future has been made pretty clear by now, but wherever you fall on the question of what we do going forward, let’s not go rewriting history.

I think he has done a great job up till 2018, but post 2018 things have wained and each season since it's seems to be getting worse.
He is a good coach and as you rightly point out, history shows that, can he make the necessary changes to his game plan to move this group forward ??? .... now - thats the pertinent question.
That said I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and let's see what 2022 has to offer.

While the current situation frustrates and annoys the heck out of me I am not advocating that he be sacked, however a direct and firm ultimatum needs to be delivered to him to rectify the situation otherwise the Club has no alternative than to make the necessary coaching adjustments to move forward.

I think most on here would agree that with the talent on our list, that Simpson has at his disposal, these last three seasons has not performed anywhere near it's capacity.

In many ways, the current plight we face as a Club has been a byproduct of our success, in so much as our competitive advantage has lead to other teams counteracting and neutralising our strength. In our glory period, under Simpson, we as a team have ruled the air and our overhead contested marking has been the dominant benchmark : Kennedy Darling and Ryan in the forward line and McGovern, Barrass and Hurn in defence have been second to none.

In many ways it's a copycat league and other teams have adopted similar games styles and delivery as we did, so other teams have developed strategies to counter this style and each year since 2018, across the competition teams have become better and more effective at negating this game style.

One of the ways teams counteract our defences now, is to bring the ball in super quickly and keep it low so that the likes of McGovern, Barrass and Hurn don't have the opportunity to pick of the long bomb into their forward line, similarly opposition defences now put in extra effort to block our key forwards leading lanes and destroy the ball in the air before our forwards clunk the mark.
This has been very successful and the fact that we don't have strong crumbers has assisted oppositions to negate our forward thrusts.
Of course our slow ball movement into our forward line play right into their plans.

Much has already been said about our very predictable set ups from kick ins ........ we are just so predictable that its comical and easy for opposition teams week after week to counteract and plot against our kick in structures and we wonder why it's hard to get the ball out of our defensive half.

I could go on but with more examples of predictable play, that is just so easy to coach and plot against.

Other than players which is a given : In theory a coach needs three things to effectively win games:

1. A definitive game plan thats communicated to all players so that they are all on the same page.
2. Strategies to implement the game plan, as flexibility and styles need a tweek depending on the competition, weather and conditions.
3. Tactics within the strategies, creating mismatches and a variety of set plays, to utalise effort and mix up the method so as to avoid predictability.

Simpson has tinkered with 2 and 3 of the above in the last two seasons, but that has only got him so far, because - 1. his game plan needs a serious overhaul, as its been worked out, plotted against and its demise mastered by most teams.

Going forward, I understand people are split on what to do and where to next. But let’s not airbrush a really strong period of football because it appears to be coming to an end.

I don't think the majority on here are airbrushing out a period of a really strong football, in fact, most here acknowledge and applaud the period of dominance and success.

As far as people being split on what to do and where to go from here, thats a pretty fair concern to be honest, as the last two years performances, in particulars, have left a lot to be desired and have produced a bitter after taste of underachievement and not ceasing the day.

Simpson has shown in the past that he has the capacity to analytically devise and implement a new and successful game plan, he NOW needs to urgently do that, his number 1 priority over the post season is to right a badly listing ship otherwise both the team and he are sunk.

 

[EagleEgo]

As much as we suck at the moment I don't agree or accept that this era needs to be at an end. There's no need for a rebuild and no need to retire good players prematurely (like North did and have sucked ever since). We need a new coach with a new game plan who is prepared to call balls and strikes. Then pick up some role players in the offseason and hit a brutal preseason with anyone not buying in - gone/banished.

I recall in 2004 when Neil Craig took over Adelaide Crow from Gary Ayre, he claimed that there is no need to go to the bottom to rebuild.
In 2005, Adelaide Crow was the minor premier jumping from the 12th poistion in 2004. Don Pyke was the assistant coach to Neil Criag in 2005.