Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Cuzz09]

Controversial opinion- He's been out greatest ever head coach.
Keep Simpson and back him in over the next 5 years to build West Coast mk-4 his way

That opinion is

Controversial opinion- He's been out greatest ever head coach.
Keep Simpson and back him in over the next 5 years to build West Coast mk-4 his way

this will probably happen

 

[Cuzz09]

Sumich

 

[Westend]

Probably Schofield as a caretaker while we take half the season to look for another coach

If the club gets rid of him next year

 

[Westend]

Controversial opinion- He's been out greatest ever head coach.
Keep Simpson and back him in over the next 5 years to build West Coast mk-4 his way

He will be if he gets as back into the finals quickly and produces another flag in the next 5 years

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Pyke and Cox are both at Sydney yes?

Why not try to get both?

Pyke has senior coaching experience. Sign him up for say, 4-5 years, with the premise that Dean Cox will assume the senior role after that

We get 2 club legends to return that have experience with other clubs, back into the fold. Sydney is very much in flag calculations this year too

Win/Win

Sumich

People obsessed with getting “club legends” in as coach.

Premiership coaches this century that hadn’t previously played for the club:

• Leigh Matthews x 3
• Bomber Thompson x 2
• Alastair Clarkson x 4
• Mick Malthouse
• Chris Scott
• John Longmire
• Dimmer Hardwick x 3
• Simpson himself
• Simon Goodwin

Premiership coaches that had played for the club:

• Paul Roos
• Woosha
• Bevo (31 whole games)
• Choco Williams (SANFL only)

Don’t worry about whether they’re a club legend or not. Just get the best person for the job.

 

[Cuzz09]

I know.

I just like Sumich and would be interested to see how he went but I think he has an image of being dumb

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Controversial opinion- He's been out greatest ever head coach.
Keep Simpson and back him in over the next 5 years to build West Coast mk-4 his way

As he has 2 years to run on his contract that is more than likely what will happen. We have seen this movie before.

Greatest ever head coach? Is that based on stats? Games won? That might be correct purely on stats but this is one thing stats don't look at.
When you reached the top how long did you stay there, how did you go following reaching the top? Based on that he is a massive failure.

It is of course all opinion though.

 

[Cuzz09]

1.92-94 was easily our best. Micky Boy

2.05-06 Woosh

3.15-18 Simmo

 

[dinnaz]

As he has 2 years to run on his contract that is more than likely what will happen. We have seen this movie before.

Greatest ever head coach? Is that based on stats? Games won? That might be correct purely on stats but this is one thing stats don't look at.
When you reached the top how long did you stay there, how did you go following reaching the top? Based on that he is a massive failure.

It is of course all opinion though.

Lets face it looking back

• Simpson took us to a GF in his 2nd year!! 2015 pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a structurally sound gameplan and survived injuries to key players. Thereabouts for a few years with a win in 2018 and a worst finish of 9th and finals every year in between which is a similar record to Malthouse.
• Under Worsfold: Did well early making finals but then with a great team should have won more 2005 was a disaster, 2006 by a single point and straight sets 2007 was definitely a waste of a peak team, & then the club imploded. Turned in a competitive team thereafter but were never a threat. Terrible tactically though I think development wise was good.
• Under Judge we were horrible with no real direction and were bottom feeders. Only did 2 years and rightly so.
• Under Malthouse, should have won 1991, and then tended to just make up the numbers for finals though making them every year is a positive. Was blessed with amazing list concessions so gets a par score.
• John Todd & Ron Alexander No idea! Were before my time but only did a few seasons between them so that puts them out of the running
  

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Lets face it looking back

• Simpson took us to a GF in his 2nd year!! 2015 pulled a rabbit out of the hat with a structurally sound gameplan and survived injuries to key players. Thereabouts for a few years with a win in 2018 and a worst finish of 9th and finals every year in between which is a similar record to Malthouse.
• Under Worsfold: Did well early making finals but then with a great team should have won more 2005 was a disaster, 2006 by a single point and straight sets 2007 was definitely a waste of a peak team, & then the club imploded. Turned in a competitive team thereafter but were never a threat. Terrible tactically though I think development wise was good.
• Under Judge we were horrible with no real direction and were bottom feeders. Only did 2 years and rightly so.
• Under Malthouse, should have won 1991, and then tended to just make up the numbers for finals though making them every year is a positive. Was blessed with amazing list concessions so gets a par score.
• John Todd & Ron Alexander No idea! Were before my time but only did a few seasons between them so that puts them out of the running

To be honest all 3 of our best coaches have had amazing lists and probably all have under achieved. Must be something in the Water in WA as we are one hit wonders.

 

[dinnaz]

As a side note about our style of play- People seem to forget the massive drain that the expansion teams have had on the competition as far as player talent goes. This is on top of being a good side and not getting the best picks & players. If you don't believe me- look at our 2018 premiership side. It would get smashed by any of our other flag teams.
I 100% believe that while our kick mark controlling gameplan does benefit our intercept defenders, it is more instituted because of our lack of talent around the ground. Maximising our stengths and mitigating our weaknesses.
It's not fair to expect our players to all of a sudden win truckloads of contested possessions or tackle better when they dont have that skillset. You wouldn't expect a big unit like McGovern to move like Cyril Rioli. Also applies to sidestepping an opponent at serious pace, kick 60m, taking contested marks etc etc when a player has never done that their entire career.

 

[dinnaz]

To be honest all 3 of our best coaches have had amazing lists and probably all have under achieved. Must be something in the Water in WA as we are one hit wonders.

Home games basically guarantee 50% H & A games are wins. We put out an average team and will win against everyone except maybe a top 2 team. Away games the opposite. So we tend to have a higher median but less of a peak if that makes sense.

 

[pride of the West]

Nisbett and Gepp been there way to long, need an e en bigger clean out inside.

In other positive news Rowan O’Brien
Is weighing up this future List manger. Interesting

 

[greatwhiteshark]

As a side note about our style of play- People seem to forget the massive drain that the expansion teams have had on the competition as far as player talent goes. This is on top of being a good side and not getting the best picks & players. If you don't believe me- look at our 2018 premiership side. It would get smashed by any of our other flag teams.
I 100% believe that while our kick mark controlling gameplan does benefit our intercept defenders, it is more instituted because of our lack of talent around the ground. Maximising our stengths and mitigating our weaknesses.
It's not fair to expect our players to all of a sudden win truckloads of contested possessions or tackle better when they dont have that skillset. You wouldn't expect a big unit like McGovern to move like Cyril Rioli. Also applies to sidestepping an opponent at serious pace, kick 60m, taking contested marks etc etc when a player has never done that their entire career.

Bit bolded mate takes no skill, it is just a want and an effort to do that. We are poor at contested ball and tackling because we are to soft our group and have been allowed to develop into that soft group. Coaches implement hardness and character and our players have been allowed to get away with not doing these very basic things and of course in time it becomes accepted it is not required.
It is not a skill set

 

[pride of the West]

Not as a coach but I think on the board at least, pretty sure he'll return to the club in an official capacity soon.

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Yes have to get him back in some offical Role

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Not as a coach but I think on the board at least, pretty sure he'll return to the club in an official capacity soon.

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I think it's important that he is not part of the club going forward. We need new people who really have not had much to do with the club. I don't want Woosha back at the club in any type of role, especially anything to do with football.

 

[dinnaz]

Bit bolded mate takes no skill, it is just a want and an effort to do that. We are poor at contested ball and tackling because we are to soft our group and have been allowed to develop into that soft group. Coaches implement hardness and character and our players have been allowed to get away with not doing these very basic things and of course in time it becomes accepted it is not required.
It is not a skill set

Thats what everybody believes and you can improve greatly sometimes. But more likely you can improve a little bit but that wont make the gap up to a guy whose entire career has been in the thick of things and refined by 7-8 years of league football.

What about telling that to Brad Hill or Boomer Harvey? Do you expect them to all of a sudden dig in with any great effect?
Sheed for example only averaged like 1.5 tackles a game as a junior. To date at AFL has only ever managed a peak of 2.5 tackles a game.
Priddis is the opposite averaged 7-8 tackles a game. It's just who a player is essentially.

 

[ziad]

Sumich

wow not the nut job

 

[pride of the West]

Mathew Knights at Essendon proved he couldn't coach a shit out of his a-hole yet we put him in charge of our midfield. Hated the appointment when it was first announced and even allowing for COVID/Injuries I hate it even more.

Mate that was along time ago I think you’d Forgotten his body he has been in charge of Geelong midfield who he did very well with. Let’s see what he can do for with a fit midfield next year.

 

[The wily weagle]

People obsessed with getting “club legends” in as coach.

Premiership coaches this century that hadn’t previously played for the club:

• Leigh Matthews x 3
• Bomber Thompson x 2
• Alastair Clarkson x 4
• Mick Malthouse
• Chris Scott
• John Longmire
• Dimmer Hardwick x 3
• Simpson himself
• Simon Goodwin

Premiership coaches that had played for the club:

• Paul Roos
• Woosha
• Bevo (31 whole games)
• Choco Williams (SANFL only)

Don’t worry about whether they’re a club legend or not. Just get the best person for the job.

Given there is something of a lack of tried and proven experienced senior coaches on the market atm, i would consider Pyke one of the best candidates for the job

That he is already a legend of the club is just a bonus

Where he has gone, success has followed. He helped us get to the 2015 grand final, he got the crows there again himself, and Sydney who is he is presently with are very much in flag contention this year. That is quite a resume, particularly given its occurred across three clubs in three different states

If you can think of a more qualified candidate with links to our club, i would love to hear it

 

[dinnaz]

Mate that was along time ago I think you’d Forgotten his body he has been in charge of Geelong midfield who he did very well with. Let’s see what he can do for with a fit midfield next year.

Knights has had 0 success wherever he has been except for being parachuted into a premiership quality Geelong VFL team.
Tell me how good their midfield is again? Selwood, Duncan, Ablett, Dangerfield - All before his time. Just about the only midfielder Knights may have been involved with developing is Cam Guthrie. So that leaves midfield setups as his strength and ive never noticed anything special other than the hope Dangerfield can get a clearance in a clutch moment.

 

[The_Gambler]

There are co-captains, if the club doesn’t want to blow soft cap, or Simpson won’t walk, I think we should go left field and have co-coaches and just share the job between Simpson, Schofield and knights. Simpson looks like he is going through the antidepressants and antianxiety meds. Might be good for his well being

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If you can think of a more qualified candidate with links to our club, i would love to hear it

Completely missed the point.

“Links to our club” should not be a prerequisite.

 

[CM9000]

As he has 2 years to run on his contract that is more than likely what will happen. We have seen this movie before.

Greatest ever head coach? Is that based on stats? Games won? That might be correct purely on stats but this is one thing stats don't look at.
When you reached the top how long did you stay there, how did you go following reaching the top? Based on that he is a massive failure.

It is of course all opinion though.

This is an abject lie.

Simpson is a premiership coach. That, alone, qualifies him as a success. When we went searching for a coach after Woosha left, our criteria was based on the capacity (judged by us) of the candidate leading us to a premiership. Because Simpson led us to a flag in 2018, that means his recruitment was a successful one. He led us to the goal that football clubs seek to achieve.

Now this doesn‘t mean he’s a fantastic coach, or places him among the greats, but he is as far as possible from a “massive failure”.

 

[bluengold89]

Given there is something of a lack of tried and proven experienced senior coaches on the market atm, i would consider Pyke one of the best candidates for the job

That he is already a legend of the club is just a bonus

Where he has gone, success has followed. He helped us get to the 2015 grand final, he got the crows there again himself, and Sydney who is he is presently with are very much in flag contention this year. That is quite a resume, particularly given its occurred across three clubs in three different states

If you can think of a more qualified candidate with links to our club, i would love to hear it

Sounds like Pyke has a bit of the Ross Lyon's about him, always the bridesmaid never the bride.