News Adelaide Crows Camp Allegations and Rumors

[AFC3000]

Fallout from Betts book pretty much what I expected...

The Gary Lyon bit "stunned by Betts explosive reveal"

Kane "Crows fans have egg on their face" not really, I don't think any one didn't think the stuff Eddie revealed didn't happen to him?

Sounds like a shit camp and a really bad experience for some.

Perhaps not as much of an issue to those who didn't really buy into it as much or couldn't relate to the cultural differences.

To me seems like the most troubling stuff wasn't what happened on the camp but the way it was handled afterwards to the players and to the public is where things really fell apart.

Explains why we started the year well and then completely fell off.

Our fault, but the media totally played us and we were too stupid to handle it.

If everything here was released day one by them, probably a big story that goes away in a couple of weeks.

It was all of the "as we sit here tonight I can exclusively reveal..." a tidbit with heap of mayo, stuff from Mclure that every other media personality would feast on for the next week that blew this into a bigger story than the Essendon saga.

Whoever was in charge of media and strategy back then should have gone because I think if we got on the front foot with the same facts it shuts it down a lot sooner.

Better again, don't do the camp in the first place.i guess.

 

[jc12]

Oh look someone trying to be smart even though they didn't read all my posts. What a stupid take if you can't read. Of course he was upset, but did they say categorically they wouldn't use it or was it a mistake understanding. Lord..the internet. Everyone is so literal. Even 10yo know how to inference.

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If you can't see what is wrong with using sensitive personal information for some type of berating exercise then there is no point explaining to you and there's no hope for you. Read what Eddie said, it was obviously implied that it was meant to be one on one information and private.

 

[Slippery Pete]

How's this campaigner with his incisive analysis of the Work Health and Safety Act 2012

That idiot answered his own question.

SafeWork investigate breaches of the act, they don’t investigate incompetence, stupidity and whether or not you want to be a loser.

The Adelaide Football Club might not have broken any laws but it was definitely incompetent, stupid, and full of losers.

There’s no doubt Eddie has a book to sell. So we shouldn’t forget that.

But regardless of whether he’s putting mayo on it, that camp and everything the club did in response, including the way it ran its PR, was one of the worst displays of incompetence you could ever see from a professional organization.

All of this happened because the coaching staff were arrogant enough to think the 2017 GF debacle was none of their doing.

It was the players who were mentally weak, not the blessed coaching staff. They were just fu*cking perfect.

 

[Sanders]

Camp members abused him, said he would be a s**t father, because his mother never had one, whilst being assaulted by forced teammates (after disclosing his traumatic childhood upbringing).

I’ve said it before, that kind of betrayal of trust, where private information shared privately in good faith is used against someone would be highly questionable and wrong.

It doesn’t sound like it’s clear that any inferences of confidentiality were made, but it still sounds like a shitty thing to do.

 

[jc12]

Hilarious that some ppl actually are trying to defend this mess

 

[DJ75]

Camp members abused him, said he would be a s**t father, because his mother never had one, whilst being assaulted by forced teammates (after disclosing his traumatic childhood upbringing).

What an absolutely sh!t thing to do. How anyone could think that would be beneficial is beyond me.

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's obvious that there has been a total breakdown in the relationship between the club and Eddie. I'm not sure what Eddie is looking for from the club. It sounds like he wants some financial compensation from them. Surely the firing of those involved in the camp was the correct course of action but I can't see how others at the club can still be blamed for something they had nothing to do with.

Nah, he just wants to sell his book.

Thing to remember, Eddie never requested a trade after the 2018 season. This has to be put into perspective towards the true realities of the situation.

 

[DJ75]

Hilarious that some ppl actually are trying to defend this mess

There is nothing defendable about it. The decision to hire unqualified people to run a camp like that, the camp itself and then the handling of the fallout is all an absolute disgrace.
Yet Roo has escaped all scrutiny. Staggering.

 

[Sanders]

Why is whether Betts leaked information an issue?

Whatever happened, happened.

Whether it gets relayed to a 3rd party or publicised makes no difference to what occurred.

If we don't want details of what happened to get out that's probably our first clue that we shouldn't have been doing it

I’d imagine it mattered a lot to the other players, whether certain things were being leaked to journalists.

Because what might seem ok today, is all sorts of things tomorrow

Those leaks did not help cohesiveness in player ranks, regardless of whether you think they were justified or not.

 

[Sanders]

Burton was a poorly performed Physical performance manager at Brisbane. He had a history of poor decision making.

Roo was his best mate and went on family holidays together regularly.

Roo appointed Burton to the Crows to oversee Physical performance. It was a disaster (hamstrings anyone??)

Roo then promoted Burton to Head of Football, despite Burtons poor performance and very questionable results.

Burton is the symptom, not the cause. Roo must be held accountable for all of this.

There is zero basis for assuming Roo had all this unfettered power and that the board just let him do what he liked

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

What can be said with absolute certainty is that the reasons for Eddie’s removal from the leadership group are going to be hotly disputed by others

Publicly?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

What an absolutely sh!t thing to do. How anyone could think that would be beneficial is beyond me.

Is it true?

 

[Sanders]

Publicly?

Dunno. But if anything was going to merit public rebuke it’s that.

But I am saying that it is certainly not fact that everyone agrees that Eddie’s reasons are the real reasons. there are always differing accounts

The players of the leadership group wouldn’t stand by and let Eddie be removed for reasons as spurious as he claims.

Maybe, behind generous to him, the other leaders said to him “you’ve made your point, but we all need to pull together now” and eventually he just couldn’t be a team player and leader any more? Wouldn’t/couldn’t let it drop. Pure speculation, just a theory.

But even in that situation I could see how he had to go

 

[DJ75]

Is it true?

I guess we will find out in the next 24 hours.

The rumours (which may have been leaked by Betts himself) have now been publicly endorsed by a player who was there (Betts).
The media will be ringing every other past player to see what they have to say. Sloane will be asked. Walker will be asked. Jenkins will be asked. They will all have to either confirm that what Betts said is true, or call him a liar.

Going to be interesting.

My gut feel is that what Betts has said is true.

I am intrigued that there was supposedly as Non-disclosure agreement signed by all the players. Did Eddie refuse? Is he breaking it?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I guess we will find out in the next 24 hours.

The rumours (which may have been leaked by Betts himself) have now been publicly endorsed by a player who was there (Betts).
The media will be ringing every other past player to see what they have to say. Sloane will be asked. Walker will be asked. Jenkins will be asked. They will all have to either confirm that what Betts said is true, or call him a liar.

Going to be interesting.

My gut feel is that what Betts has said is true.

I am intrigued that there was supposedly as Non-disclosure agreement signed by all the players. Did Eddie refuse? Is he breaking it?

We'll say nothing, just hope it dies down eventually like the Tippett stuff

 

[footy4ever]

Well dang! It all went South from there.

 

[DJ75]

There is zero basis for assuming Roo had all this unfettered power and that the board just let him do what he liked

Roo literally oversaw all of this. That was his role on the board.
I don't see how he can be excused.

if you have a board member that oversees the accounting and you find out there was blatant fraud occurring, you'd be asking questions of the board member responsible. Especially if that board member had overseen the appointment and promotion of their best mate - who just happened to be the person committing the fraud...

 

[adelaidecrows]

If you can't see what is wrong with using sensitive personal information for some type of berating exercise then there is no point explaining to you and there's no hope for you. Read what Eddie said, it was obviously implied that it was meant to be one on one information and private.

I never said it wasn't wrong. I am suggesting the conversation was never under the guise of confidentiality that Eddie believed it to be. Misunderstandings happen all the time. The WHS investigation would have immediately exposed if players were conned into revealing sensitive information under the guise of confidentiality as thats exactly in their wheel house. The rumours around this is what prompted them into action to begin with. Immediately forced by the Marshall government. Also remember, the AFC and Collective minds survived every investigation that was thrown at them, and this is an AFL that is eager to punish the Crows over anything they do wrong. They punished Tex for an over heard private conversation. All this has to be put into perspective.

I don't blame him for being pissed off over it. He wasn't even the only player to be pissed off over it. So this is clearly a failing of the camp. They obviously didn't take into account players emotions around certain traumatic events in their past which would also explain the cultural insensitivity. The communication around the phone call for the psychological profile obviously lacked information about the genuine legalities and privacy expectations, if I was to guess, I'd say the players simply trusted the process. Which, I'd have no doubt been in the same boat as Eddie.

Can't blame Eddie for this really, the Club is a trusted environment. This would have easily been the reason players would have been blindsided.

 

[arrowman]

What offends you, and I’m not referring to the cultural issues either, might not offend someone else.

We are all wired differently.

Yes. Sloane said "made me better". Betts said "f*ed me up". Both of these can be true.

It's that apparent one size fits all, you're all macho AFL footballers and you need to HTFU and be more macho, that speaks more than anything else to the amateur / inappropriate nature of the camp.

Sloane has copped some flack for speaking so strongly in support of the camp, and I think that's justified - he didn't acknowledge that maybe it wasn't the same for everyone. But, given the media spotlight at the time, it would have been a hard line to tread. Might have been better for him if the club had been willing to acknowledge that, rather than make it look like the captain was speaking on behalf of everyone "nothing to see here".

 

[adelaidecrows]

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Well dang! It all went South from there.

Doesn't look like a mentally destroyed group of players.

 

[DJ75]

We'll say nothing, just hope it dies down eventually like the Tippett stuff

As a club we might try it (because that approach worked so well in 2018 ), but it's not going to fly. Too many players that were involved in the camp now outside of the clubs influence.
Meanwhile Tex and Sloane (and Crouch) all have regular media spots. They will be asked about it.

 

[AFC3000]

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Well dang! It all went South from there.

After?

 

[DJ75]

Yes. Sloane said "made me better". Betts said "f*ed me up". Both of these can be true.

It's that apparent one size fits all, you're all macho AFL footballers and you need to HTFU and be more macho, that speaks more than anything else to the amateur / inappropriate nature of the camp.

Sloane has copped some flack for speaking so strongly in support of the camp, and I think that's justified - he didn't acknowledge that maybe it wasn't the same for everyone. But, given the media spotlight at the time, it would have been a hard line to tread. Might have been better for him if the club had been willing to acknowledge that, rather than make it look like the captain was speaking on behalf of everyone "nothing to see here".

Is Sloane, as Captain of the club, the leader of the players, or a shrill for the organisation?

His comments and behaviour suggest one over the other.

 

[Maddogmetro]

I think you ask someone to help with your reading skills

Much of that is to do with “how Eddie feels”! Not what he claims to have happened - though we know there are public record denials about some of it.

CM came out and issued line by line denials of a lot of the claims, they then issued legal proceedings in which they won apologies and retractions

So I think it’s safe to say other interpretations and emphasis’ are available.

Eddie’s whining about his perceived reasons that he was dropped from the leadership group for whistleblowing is a particularly interesting point of inflexion. He can’t know this, but he’s happily asserting it to anyone who’ll listen. It would not surprise me if this particularly dubious claim does draw a response.

Why so antagonistic when all I did was give you an opportunity to clarify your comment? Someone needs a lie down.

 

[Sanders]

Roo literally oversaw all of this. That was his role on the board.
I don't see how he can be excused.

Sorry what? You don’t know that

if you have a board member that oversees the accounting and you find out there was blatant fraud occurring, you'd be asking questions of the board member responsible. Especially if that board member had overseen the appointment and promotion of their best mate - who just happened to be the person committing the fraud...

No board member acts unilaterally like that.

You seem a little confused on the separation of board and executive powers.

The board hires (in truth oversees and sets in motion the processes for hiring) senior executives; and the board holds those executives to account.

Roo acts as some form of boogeyman to some of you. I think it’s probably time for new blood, but you make him out to be some sort of mind controlling Svengali at the head of the board