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[bigleague]

I would also agree its death is exaggerated, but i don't agree that Rl owns Sydney like it has in the past, I think it has got plenty of problems there.

Exaggerated by the far removed, like you.

 

[NoobPie]

But the AFL is not global, while Rugby League is.
When we a professional team overseas we can talk about being global, but until that day happens we remain a domestic comp.
Percentage wise far more people globally are aware of Rugby League than AF, and that's a fact.
I would seriously doubt that AFL is bigger that the NRL and SL put together.
Rural areas of the UK? I don't think places like Leeds, Bradford, Hull, St Helens, Warrington would be classed as Rural.
I'm not a League man but admit to have a passing interest in the game due to being married to a girl who's brothers played the game in Sydney and i have the up most respect for them.

Being a marginal code in a handful of countries and the number two football code in just one country does not make the game global.

The "rural areas" was a bit of shyt stir but none of these places are even regionally important cities (ie in the way the manchester and liverpool are). A handful of small rust belt cities

You can "seriously doubt that AFL is bigger that the NRL and SL put together" if you like but 'tis true I'm afraid.

The NRL is barely half the size of the AFL plus club's (in terms of revenues) and the NRL is far bigger than the SL.

http://www.cityam.com/226244/rugby-...between-world-cup-2015-and-super-league-final

I seriously doubt that "Percentage wise far more people globally are aware of Rugby League than AF, and that's a fact." You might have a link to this fact? I'm not aware of such a global survey and I would love to know how they established awareness of RL over rugby

A fair chunk of Melbourne would barely know the difference between the two codes and Melbourne is the closest city to Leagues biggest heartland

 

[jatz14]

Being a marginal code in a handful of countries and the number two football code in just one country does not make the game global.

The "rural areas" was a bit of shyt stir but none of these places are even regionally important cities (ie in the way the manchester and liverpool are). A handful of small rust belt cities

You can "seriously doubt that AFL is bigger that the NRL and SL put together" if you like but 'tis true I'm afraid.

The NRL is barely half the size of the AFL plus clubs in revenues and the NRL is far bigger than the SL.

http://www.cityam.com/226244/rugby-...between-world-cup-2015-and-super-league-final

I seriously doubt that "Percentage wise far more people globally are aware of Rugby League than AF, and that's a fact." You might have a link to this fact? I'm not aware of such a global survey and I would love to know how they established awareness of RL over rugby

A fair chunk of Melbourne would barely know the difference between the two codes and Melbourne is the closest city to Leagues biggest heartland

I would have been close to 18 before I could tell the difference between the 2. I know adult women in WA who cannot tell the difference in their 30s.

Americans cannot tell the difference between footy and union, and 99.9% of them are completely unaware that there are 2 rugby codes.

So I will accept league has a bigger profile world wide, if you include all the people that think they know rugby league, but who are actually thinking union.

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[madmug]

All the football codes in this country have their origins in GB.

I know you're waiting , so I'll ask anyway.

What about Marn grook & AR?

 

[Garlic muncher]

Exaggerated by the far removed, like you.

I am not exaggerating the downward spiral of actual playing numbers, crowds at NRL games or TV ratings in Sydney.


Show me stats that prove me wrong

 

[bigleague]

I am not exaggerating the downward spiral of actual playing numbers, crowds at NRL games or TV ratings in Sydney.


Show me stats that prove me wrong

You just said "RL is basically on life support in Sydney", which is an exaggeration, even by your own admission where you concede "its death is exaggerated". Now it's not an exaggeration again? You sound awfully confused, as usual.

 

[Garlic muncher]

You just said "RL is basically on life support in Sydney", which is an exaggeration, even by your own admission where you concede "its death is exaggerated". Now it's not an exaggeration again? You sound awfully confused, as usual.

Basically it is - in comparison to days gone by, doesn't mean it will die.

Waiting for an answer, but all you are doing is obfuscating

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Basically it is - in comparison to days gone by, doesn't mean it will die.

Waiting for an answer, but all you are doing is obfuscating

Doesnt saying its on life support mean you are saying its close to death?

 

[Garlic muncher]

Doesnt saying its on life support mean you are saying its close to death?

Is it going ok or is it sick in Sydney ?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Is it going ok or is it sick in Sydney ?

Im not the one who said its on life support, but then said you werent saying its dying

Stick to facts and not hyperbole, youre not good at it

 

[Professor Knowall]

All the football codes in this country have their origins in GB.

Quite so - except for Marngrook and our very own Australian Football.

Also, wondering why someone located in Melbourne has "Aussie in Exile" as their nom de plume.

 

[Garlic muncher]

Im not the one who said its on life support, but then said you werent saying its dying

Stick to facts and not hyperbole, youre not good at it

Sorry Matey, hyperbole, exaggeration and even bolding or underlining your statements in an attempt to get a point across on bigfooty is a no no.

You mind if I check all your posts ?.

I will repeat my comments, I think RL IS BASICALLY ON LIFE SUPPORT IN SYDNEY AS It STANDS, but do I think it will die ? - PROBABLY NOT, do I care whether it does or not ? - DONT CARE.

 

[jatz14]

Quite so - except for Marngrook and our very own Australian Football.

Also, wondering why someone located in Melbourne has "Aussie in Exile" as their nom de plume.

With or without the Marngrook connection, AF is still very much out of the English school sports tradition.

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[Demonoid]

They might alter soon with Perth.
Rugby League has professional teams and semi professional teams in the UK, France, NZ, PNG and even Canada now.
I'm not going to get in a argument over this and there is no dispute we are the No 1 football in code Australia, but we are light years behind Rugby League globally, and they are small globally.

I'd doubt it. The Western Force can't even survive with all the Saffers and Kiwi's. The NRL, well its fans anyway, talked the talk about Perth back when WA was booming. Its now in decline, and we have not heard any noises from NRL leadership that expansion is on the agenda.

 

[Professor Knowall]

With or without the Marngrook connection, AF is still very much out of the English school sports tradition.

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... but not too much for, as outlined in H.C.A. Harrison's autobiography (ch 7) - "when T.W. Wills returned from England, fresh from Rugby school ... he very sensibly advised us not to take up rugby although that had been his own game because he considered it, as then played, unsuitable for grown men engaged in making a livelihood, but to work out a game of our own". Which is what they proceeded to do.

 

[BobbyMorri]

All the football codes in this country have their origins in GB.

every football code in the world has its origins with UK of GB and Ire. 60%* of all sports have their origins to the most dominant global power in the 1800's.
*% is made up but you get the point.

Rugby League and Union would be like Canadian and American football for us. we wouldnt have a clue what the differences are between the 2 gridirons. cant expect outsiders to know the difference between the Rugbys. they are one in the same in the big scheme of things.

i believe marngrook is a founding myth with a nice bit of revisionist history thrown in. sounds nice but the facts are very loose. the footballs adapted to what people wanted to play for a variety of reasons. if you believe marngrook was one of those influences in Victoria, so be it. no clear evidence or answer for or against. but you just have to look at our history to see how little we cared about the aboriginals.

personally, i think it is amazing that one simple idea(a football "ball") can verge into 4-5 major, totally different sports(Gridiron, AR, Rugby, soccer and Gaelic(?)). and from that, we have different codes in the codes themselves.

 

[NoobPie]

... but not too much for, as outlined in H.C.A. Harrison's autobiography (ch 7) - "when T.W. Wills returned from England, fresh from Rugby school ... he very sensibly advised us not to take up rugby although that had been his own game because he considered it, as then played, unsuitable for grown men engaged in making a livelihood, but to work out a game of our own". Which is what they proceeded to do.

Exactly. Some minority of the early drivers of the australian football had experience playing football games in english schools and universities - of which their were at least as many as there were schools and universities that engaged in such activities

Clearly the concept of football generally came from these games and perhaps to a lessor extent english and irish folk games and perhaps even marn grook but beyond that a very distinct game was invented and evolved here

 

[ringleader]

I am not exaggerating the downward spiral of actual playing numbers, crowds at NRL games or TV ratings in Sydney.


Show me stats that prove me wrong

You are the one that needs to prove yourself right. How does a bloke from WA become an expert on a sport played in Sydney that you don't even follow anyway?

 

[Garlic muncher]

You are the one that needs to prove yourself right. How does a bloke from WA become an expert on a sport played in Sydney that you don't even follow anyway?

What a pathetic post and whinge, how do you know where i live, what i do and where i travel, who i talk to and what i read.

Sydney junior rugby league numbers were down, crowds are down, TV ratings are down and junior leagues are merging.

NRL attendance is down 12% overall, in Sydney it would be substantially more, FTA TV ratings are down 6 % in Sydney - explain how that makes any sense ?.

Fox ratings are down.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/c73350f8d13cee7a871a669e5c56397c

NRL investigates loss of 2534 juniors

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/10981dd31ed7ad0df6a3319acc002768

Macarthur region’s junior rugby league numbers continue to fall

An audit conducted by NSW Rugby League (NSWRL) last year found the Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League (WSDJRL) competition needed to combine with the Canterbury-Bankstown District Junior Rugby Football League to survive after plummeting registrations.

 

[The_Wookie]

You are the one that needs to prove yourself right. How does a bloke from WA become an expert on a sport played in Sydney that you don't even follow anyway?

Maybe he can read.

What a pathetic post and whinge, how do you know where i live, what i do and where i travel, who i talk to and what i read.

Maybe you should post links when you make the argument originally.

Sydney junior rugby league numbers were down, crowds are down, TV ratings are down and junior leagues are merging.

NRL attendance is down 12% overall, in Sydney it would be substantially more, FTA TV ratings are down 6 % in Sydney - explain how that makes any sense ?.

Fox ratings are down.

NRL attendance is down - in great part due to 5 straight weeks of relatively inclement weather.

Fox ratings are barely down - less than a single percent.

There are variables at play that explain much of this - we still dont know how many watch on mobile, tablet or streams - Foxtel play launched to a huge promotion with sport included at the start of the season.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...s/news-story/c73350f8d13cee7a871a669e5c56397c

NRL investigates loss of 2534 juniors

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...l/news-story/10981dd31ed7ad0df6a3319acc002768

Macarthur region’s junior rugby league numbers continue to fall

An audit conducted by NSW Rugby League (NSWRL) last year found the Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League (WSDJRL) competition needed to combine with the Canterbury-Bankstown District Junior Rugby Football League to survive after plummeting registrations.

Thats one example. Do you have more? Cause one doesnt set a trend.

And frankly none of the above shows that league is on any sort of downward spiral any more than the fact that AFL ratings, afl crowds, and spot articles have all decreased since 2008, and articles showing that the AFL regional participation is not all that its cracked up to be -any more than any of these show that the AFl is on a downward spiral in Victoria. You are overstating the impact the figures are happening.

 

[jatz14]

... but not too much for, as outlined in H.C.A. Harrison's autobiography (ch 7) - "when T.W. Wills returned from England, fresh from Rugby school ... he very sensibly advised us not to take up rugby although that had been his own game because he considered it, as then played, unsuitable for grown men engaged in making a livelihood, but to work out a game of our own". Which is what they proceeded to do.

Multitude of football sports played in the UK at the time. Almost all parts of footy existed in some form in those sports.

That Australia's game was assembled from those bits in a (somewhat) unique form doesn't really detract from its English origins.

The degree to which early exposure to Marngrook influenced what parts of the English codes were used, and therefore what the game looked like is hard to quantify.

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[The_Wookie]

I would also agree its death is exaggerated, but i don't agree that Rl owns Sydney like it has in the past, I think it has got plenty of problems there.

Of course it still does. Being slightly down in some areas, doesnt mean its not dominant still. A decrease in juniors can happen to anyone. League crowds are still very good comparative to other world competitions - the AFL isnt the benchmark here, its an exception. Improved stadia and transport options will help that immensely in years to come - just as it has in Adelaide, and will in Perth, and the tie up with Touch was a nice piece of administrative handiwork on the part of the ARLC. Oh and they still have Origin which should shut up any arguments like this. Memberships continue to rise every year.

AFL isnt taking over any time soon - the Swans might be doing great, and GWS might be doing ok on field, but GWS member numbers are highly suspect when compared to revenues and crowds are as ludicrously reported as ever. Local AFL in Sydney still isnt advancing at any great rate of knots. The setting up of GWS was done in a very half assed manner, and they are caught between two cities belonging in neither one nor the other.

Soccer still has it over everyone in terms of development and participation, and probably even national team recognition (although the Origin side probably takes the cake). Setting up Wanderers was a very astute piece of work by the FFA, from the colours to the venue location (until this year at least), to even the team name.

 

[Garlic muncher]

Maybe he can read.



Maybe you should post links when you make the argument originally.



NRL attendance is down - in great part due to 5 straight weeks of relatively inclement weather.

Fox ratings are barely down - less than a single percent.

There are variables at play that explain much of this - we still dont know how many watch on mobile, tablet or streams - Foxtel play launched to a huge promotion with sport included at the start of the season.



Thats one example. Do you have more? Cause one doesnt set a trend.

And frankly none of the above shows that league is on any sort of downward spiral any more than the fact that AFL ratings, afl crowds, and spot articles have all decreased since 2008, and articles showing that the AFL regional participation is not all that its cracked up to be -any more than any of these show that the AFl is on a downward spiral in Victoria. You are overstating the impact the figures are happening.

That is actually 2 examples in Sydney, one is a overall amount from 2015 to 2016 and the other is the merging of 2 RL nurseries in WS for 2017, which indicates numbers down again.

FTA ratings are down 6% in Sydney, attendance down 12% but far more in Sydney, considering all this inclement weather, people are no doubt stuck indoors yet both key indicators ( fox as well) are down.

Maybe it is not a downward spiral, maybe just a bit of cough and cold.

 

[The_Wookie]

That is actually 2 examples in Sydney, one is a overall amount from 2015 to 2016 and the other is the merging of 2 RL nurseries in WS for 2017, which indicates numbers down again.

or more likely the merging is because of the numbers reported in 2016.

FTA ratings are down 6% in Sydney, attendance down 12% but far more in Sydney, considering all this inclement weather, people are no doubt stuck indoors yet both key indicators ( fox as well) are down.

Yeah Id never know what those ratings were if you didnt keep pointing them out. As I said, there are other factors at play, namely a bigger focus on digital delivery.

Maybe it is not a downward spiral, maybe just a bit of cough and cold.

So an exaggeration then.

 

[Garlic muncher]

or more likely the merging is because of the numbers reported in 2016.



Yeah Id never know what those ratings were if you didnt keep pointing them out. As I said, there are other factors at play, namely a bigger focus on digital delivery.



So an exaggeration then.

Well no, because unless those numbers dropped again then why would Western Suburbs and Canterbury merge ?, hey, maybe they even dropped dramatically.