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[Our Game]

doesn't explain why the NRL crowds are next to crap, aside from the SOO that captures people wanting to watch one state play another state, then loose total interest in league

Yep fixing the existing stadiums wont make people want to go to a product that they have rejected and its not because of the stadiums.All of then struggle to get a decent crowd apart from big event matches at both ANZ and Alliance Most cant even fill the much smaller suburban grounds they play ATM

None of the codes in Sydney can justify the NSW government wasting billions of dollars on white elephant stadiums that could have been better spent on their outdated roads and rail infrastructure.

Oh and by the way how would the SCG go without the tens of millions the Swans/North/ AFL finals have paid in rent over the last 30 years? Apart from the cricket the Swans are about the only other sport played there on a regular basis.

 

[TigerCraig]

doesn't explain why the NRL crowds are next to crap, aside from the SOO that captures people wanting to watch one state play another state, then loose total interest in league

Because people don't want to go to the games when they can watch at the pub/club or at home in comfort.

 

[bombersfan4000]

Because people don't want to go to the games when they can watch at the pub/club or at home in comfort.

ever since the 60s when the crowd were first counted, they have been crap. its got nothing to do with, watching on TV, streaming devices or going to the pub

 

[TigerCraig]

True, but its just not part of the culture. Unless you've lived in Sydney you wouldn't get it. I've lived in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Newcastle, and Sydney is just so, so different. I know people who would consider themselves passionate fans of their NRL club - wear the jersey, know the players inside out etc etc who haven't been to a game live for years

 

[kaypee]

Every single NRL fan would rather their club win a premiership than their state win an origin series, as would every player. One is three games a year, the other is being the best of 16 clubs after an entire season. Origin is an event, it captures interest from those who don't necessarily follow the NRL week to week, not at the expense of those who do.

If that's true, which as a part-time qlder, I don't think it is, why don't co

True, but its just not part of the culture. Unless you've lived in Sydney you wouldn't get it. I've lived in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Newcastle, and Sydney is just so, so different. I know people who would consider themselves passionate fans of their NRL club - wear the jersey, know the players inside out etc etc who haven't been to a game live for years

I've lived all over as well. Leaugue isn't great live, in fact I reckon it's downright boring, and is much better on TV. Sydney doesn't have an attendance culture mostly because its number one sport is stodgy live - traffic, beaches, wonderful restaurants etc contribute, but the fact is league sucks live

 

[TigerCraig]

I've lived all over as well. Leaugue isn't great live, in fact I reckon it's downright boring, and is much better on TV. Sydney doesn't have an attendance culture mostly because its number one sport is stodgy live - traffic, beaches, wonderful restaurants etc contribute, but the fact is league sucks live

True. I've been in pubs/leagues clubs which were packed with people in team jerseys cheering for their teams less than a few hudred metres from the ground where the game is being played in front of 8-10,000. Doesn't mean they don't love their game, just no interest in going to the ground. As for away games - no chance.

 

[Professor Knowall]

Correct, after you take into account a significant AFL contribution, it cost Government some $50 mill AND it accommodates the Royal Easter Show AND it accommodates a BBL team AND the Wanderers are using it for three years - all that for $50 mill.

In the meantime... $1.6 billion later....of which not one red cent is funded by any sport using the facilities....

In fact, the NSW gov't only contributed $25 mill - which was matched by the Federal gov't. It was only on that basis (including the $14 mill contributed by the AFL) that the stadium redevelopment went ahead at all.

... Compare to what happens in Melbourne with the MCG and Etihad.

Though to be fair, while the Vic state gov't has granted comparatively little to the MCG and nothing for Docklands, they did pay $340 mil of Victorian taxpayers $$ for a rectangular soccer/rugby only stadium - without any up-front contribution from the A-league or NRL/ARU .

 

[bombersfan4000]

True, but its just not part of the culture. Unless you've lived in Sydney you wouldn't get it. I've lived in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Newcastle, and Sydney is just so, so different. I know people who would consider themselves passionate fans of their NRL club - wear the jersey, know the players inside out etc etc who haven't been to a game live for years

To blame the culture is just another poor excuse trying to explain poor crowds. The nrl crowd have been crap and always will be crap. It's gone from people prefer to watch it on to, to the culture of not attending games! How about just the fact it's popularity is nowhere near as is made out to be?

The swans don't have a problem with fans regularly attending games, the Sydney A league teams generally do well, yet for the NRL there is 101 excuses why it doesn't

 

[jatz14]

Is SOO part of the problem, do some people get involved in SOO to the extent that the regular season just doesn't cut it any mare. Bit like a eurosnob soccer supporter, considers themselves a soccer fan, but doesn't watch A league

 

[TigerCraig]

To blame the culture is just another poor excuse trying to explain poor crowds. The nrl crowd have been crap and always will be crap. It's gone from people prefer to watch it on to, to the culture of not attending games! How about just the fact it's popularity is nowhere near as is made out to be?

The swans don't have a problem with fans regularly attending games, the Sydney A league teams generally do well, yet for the NRL there is 101 excuses why it doesn't

Whatever, don't really care. I've no axe to grind. I've played all 4 codes at junior and senior competitive level and umpired/refereed aussie rules, soccer and union at senior level. I go to all 4 codes regularly and watch them all on TV.

All I know is RL is Sydney's sport by a long way. Its what the man in the pub or around the water cooler etc cares about. But, RL fans don't have much interest in going to games. Having said that I've been to park A grade games with good crowds

 

[fushy]

Whatever, don't really care. I've no axe to grind. I've played all 4 codes at junior and senior competitive level and umpired/refereed aussie rules, soccer and union at senior level. I go to all 4 codes regularly and watch them all on TV.

All I know is RL is Sydney's sport by a long way. Its what the man in the pub or around the water cooler etc cares about. But, RL fans don't have much interest in going to games. Having said that I've been to park A grade games with good crowds

I have just returned to Melbourne after being in sydney for 13 year and i agree that all "talk" in Sydney is about NRL but even then unless its SOO then its not even much talk. Sydney-siders are just very apathetic towards sport compared to the other states i have worked/lived (Vic/WA)

 

[bigleague]

doesn't explain why the NRL crowds are next to crap, aside from the SOO that captures people wanting to watch one state play another state, then loose total interest in league

Which is what I said? The question was asked about NRL fans preference of either their club winning the comp or their state winning an origin series. It's a stupid thing Victorians believe because they see hype around origin and poor crowds to regular season NRL games & conclude it's because NRL fans care more about origin than their clubs. One is bigger because it's an event, you don't have to be an NRL fan to have interest in it. NRL fans care more about their clubs.

 

[Hoops]

From all reports the AFL undermined the stadium policy for Australias soccer world cup bid.

they would not have wasted the resources if they figured they were above and immune to all threats.

What reports are they. The AFL helped the world cup bid by forgoing many stadiums

 

[bombersfan4000]

Which is what I said? The question was asked about NRL fans preference of either their club winning the comp or their state winning an origin series. It's a stupid thing Victorians believe because they see hype around origin and poor crowds to regular season NRL games & conclude it's because NRL fans care more about origin than their clubs. One is bigger because it's an event, you don't have to be an NRL fan to have interest in it. NRL fans care more about their clubs.

its not a stupid Victorian thing, its you just attempting to make another excuse!
the majority of SOO fans are fans of league for 2 or 3 nights of the year, to see their state vs the other state.
again, there is 101 excuses why fans dont turn up to games, they never have & never will! simply yes NRL is the most popular codes in SYdney/NSW but for the fact NRL is not nearly as popular as it is made out to be

 

[lethal03]

Looking at the countries that have pro/semi rugby leagues the game appears to be seen as the ugly cousin.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Looking at the countries that have pro/semi rugby leagues the game appears to be seen as the ugly cousin.

Well as my brothers in law would say. Rugby League have professional and semi professional overseas teams we don't.

 

[NoobPie]

Well as my brothers in law would say. Rugby League have professional and semi professional overseas teams we don't.

Should we be flattered by all these other coders who masquerade as football fans to lament on our behalf?

In terms of the revenues of professional and semi professional clubs, the AFL is bigger than the NRL and ESL put together.

Do you think any Australian football fan would agree to sacrifice the pre-eminence of the game in Australia, to sprinkle some of our participation and interest across some provincial and marginal parts of another country? Or for Australian football to be a branch off another (superior) code and delude ourselves that our code is played in a whole lot of countries it isn't by getting the off cuts from said other code to play ours?

The only country on earth where Rugby League is the number one code is Papua New Guinea. Papua. New. Guinea. I think that was his point.

 

[madmug]

Well as my brothers in law would say. Rugby League have professional and semi professional overseas teams we don't.

And the NRL have no teams in Australia west of Melbourne!

 

[papabear]

Your views on SOS?

behind kernahan he was one of my fav players back in my day.

 

[papabear]

Off-topic to the current discussion but I want to ask before I forget. It probably goes back to the discussion on crowds and why the NRL crowds are so inferior to the AFL. As an NRL fan, in any given year, would you rather NSW win State of Origin, or Canberra Raiders win the premiership? Would you say your opinion is generally shared by most NRL fans? Interested to know.

Canberra Raiders win a premiership easily. I would actually get off my arse and goto the GF.

SOO is good because when you go for a team thats mostly been average or below for the last 20 years, it gives you something else to get excited about in midwinter.

 

[papabear]

Is SOO part of the problem, do some people get involved in SOO to the extent that the regular season just doesn't cut it any mare. Bit like a eurosnob soccer supporter, considers themselves a soccer fan, but doesn't watch A league

Eurosnob is a bit strong.

I follow liverpool but couldnt give a flying shit about the local competition.

IMO in the soccer perspective, its like criticising a western australian for supporting whatever AFL team but not following the WAFL.

Most people already realise where the A League stands in terms of league quality compared to other global domestic leagues, the sooner the vocal minority accept this, the better for them.

 

[papabear]

Should we be flattered by all these other coders who masquerade as football fans to lament on our behalf?

In terms of the revenues of professional and semi professional clubs, the AFL is bigger than the NRL and ESL put together.

Do you think any Australian football fan would agree to sacrifice the pre-eminence of the game in Australia, to sprinkle some of our participation and interest across some provincial and marginal parts of another country? Or for Australian football to be a branch off another (superior) code and delude ourselves that our code is played in a whole lot of countries it isn't by getting the off cuts from said other code to play ours?

The only country on earth where Rugby League is the number one code is Papua New Guinea. Papua. New. Guinea. I think that was his point.

If you cant see that the AFL is in the same glass house as the NRL you need to visit the optometrist.

 

[papabear]

What reports are they. The AFL helped the world cup bid by forgoing many stadiums

I posted a pretty comprehensive link on the situation.

 

[papabear]

I have just returned to Melbourne after being in sydney for 13 year and i agree that all "talk" in Sydney is about NRL but even then unless its SOO then its not even much talk. Sydney-siders are just very apathetic towards sport compared to the other states i have worked/lived (Vic/WA)

IMO even as a diehard sporting fan this is a strength of our city.

 

[bigleague]

its not a stupid Victorian thing, its you just attempting to make another excuse!
the majority of SOO fans are fans of league for 2 or 3 nights of the year, to see their state vs the other state.
again, there is 101 excuses why fans dont turn up to games, they never have & never will! simply yes NRL is the most popular codes in SYdney/NSW but for the fact NRL is not nearly as popular as it is made out to be

Where is my excuse? Can you comprehend what I have actually written?