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[madmug]

Well no, because unless those numbers dropped again then why would Western Suburbs and Canterbury merge ?, hey, maybe they even dropped dramatically.

The NRL keep recruiting from NZ & Pacific islands. That makes their local junior recruiting less important than the AR junior figures.
We have our own battle with soccer.

 

[The_Wookie]

Well no, because unless those numbers dropped again then why would Western Suburbs and Canterbury merge ?, hey, maybe they even dropped dramatically.

So lets see.

This article that this image comes from is from September 2015. The NRL reported drops in junior figures overall in the 2016 Annual report ending October 2016. The second article specifically says that the merger comes as a result of the 2016 audit. Its literally in the second sentence of the article.

An audit conducted by NSW Rugby League (NSWRL) last year found the Western Suburbs District Junior Rugby League (WSDJRL) competition needed to combine with the Canterbury-Bankstown District Junior Rugby Football League to survive after plummeting registrations.

 

[Garlic muncher]

The NRL keep recruiting from NZ & Pacific islands. That makes their local junior recruiting less important than the AR junior figures.
We have our own battle with soccer.

Thats true and on the other hand not true, they still recruit from OZ, a few years ago it was publicised by RL identities that around 50% of the biggest RL junior nurseries in the world in WS were PI's, and whilst all these posts have been flying around this afternoon i had a quick look at the Parramatta juniors RL site.

The only link i opened was the under 15's Parramatta talent squad
http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_...D=160850&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=47996879

Open the squad names, they don't need to go to the Islands, the islands have come to them.

Anecdotal evidence suggest that RL's traditional white anglo saxon demographic has left RL.

 

[madmug]

Thats true and on the other hand not true, they still recruit from OZ, a few years ago it was publicised by RL identities that around 50% of the biggest RL junior nurseries in the world in WS were PI's, and whilst all these posts have been flying around this afternoon i had a quick look at the Parramatta juniors RL site.

The only link i opened was the under 15's Parramatta talent squad
http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_...D=160850&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=47996879

Open the squad names, they don't need to go to the Islands, the islands have come to them.

Anecdotal evidence suggest that RL's traditional white anglo saxon demographic has left RL.

Perhaps AR need to work harder to 'mine' the growing non anglo saxon demographics.

 

[Garlic muncher]

Perhaps AR need to work harder to 'mine' the growing non anglo saxon demographics.

I would agree, however i would hate for a demographic that represents under .05 of the population to take up 50% or so of AFL lists, how exactly is that representative of the country.

There is no doubt that the PI boys are built for the rugbys, but it appears that has been to the detriment of plenty of other demographics.

 

[The_Wookie]

I would agree, however i would hate for a demographic that represents under .05 of the population to take up 50% or so of AFL lists, how exactly is that representative of the country.

There is no doubt that the PI boys are built for the rugbys, but it appears that has been to the detriment of plenty of other demographics.

then those other demographics either need to adapt or find something else to do. The talent is where the talent is.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Well no, because unless those numbers dropped again then why would Western Suburbs and Canterbury merge ?, hey, maybe they even dropped dramatically.

The above list of areas in Sydney, which had a decline of 2534 jnr. RL players in 1 year (2015) does not appear to include the Macarthur Campbelltown region (in south western Syd. -c.50kms from the Syd. GPO).
Macarthur region also includes Picton & Wollondilly (but not Canterbury & Western Suburbs District jnr. RL -wherein March 2017 it was announced all the U13 -U17 First Div. comps had to merge due to declining red. RL nos.).

In this Macarthur Chronicle article below dated Nov.9,2015, it is stated the" Campbelltown area is the heartland of RL in Sydney"-& it lost c. 500 jnrs in 2014 & 2015. The growth of soccer & AF is ascribed as a partial reason for the RL decline. (I couldn't get URL to work).

Google: "NRL local administrator declares RL in macarthur region dead"

Articles have been written in recent years by Gould, Masters, & Rothfield about declining RL nos. in NSW (The last article by Rothfield, IIRC, in late 2016, referred to losses in country RL nos.).

Also, David Hill, former RL official, stated about 8 years ago his concerns at declining regd. RL nos. in middle class areas of Syd.

 

[Garlic muncher]

then those other demographics either need to adapt or find something else to do. The talent is where the talent is.

They have clearly found something else to do

The above list of areas in Sydney, which had a decline of 2534 jnr. RL players in 1 year (2015) does not appear to include the Macarthur Campbelltown region (in south western Syd. -c.50kms from the Syd. GPO).
Macarthur region also includes Picton & Wollondilly (but not Canterbury & Western Suburbs District jnr. RL -wherein March 2017 it was announced all the U13 -U17 First Div. comps had to merge due to declining red. RL nos.).

In this Macarthur Chronicle article below dated Nov.9,2015, it is stated the" Campbelltown area is the heartland of RL in Sydney"-& it lost c. 500 jnrs in 2014 & 2015. The growth of soccer & AF is ascribed as a partial reason for the RL decline. (I couldn't get URL to work).

Google: "NRL local administrator declares RL in macarthur region dead"

Articles have been written in recent years by Gould, Masters, & Rothfield about declining RL nos. in NSW (The last article by Rothfield, IIRC, in late 2016, referred to losses in country RL nos.).

Also, David Hill, former RL official, stated about 8 years ago his concerns at declining regd. RL nos. in middle class areas of Syd.

I think you will find that WSDJRL does incorporate clubs from Macarthur and Campbelltown.

http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=0-1126-0-413528-0&a=CLUBS

 

[BringBackTorps]

They have clearly found something else to do


I think you will find that WSDJRL does incorporate clubs from Macarthur and Campbelltown.

http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=0-1126-0-413528-0&a=CLUBS

Thanks for the correction - I thought Campbelltown being 50 kms to the south west, was not considered "western suburbs". It is a lot of travelling for the merged (due to lack of nos. in First Div.) Canterbury & Western Subs. DJRL's!
Here is a 30.11.16 article by ex RL coach Chris Anderson, which states his concerns about GR RL, & refers to declining nos. in RL also.
Grant "wants to invest in grassroots rugby league to address declining player numbers".

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/11/30/13/30/ex-coach-s-grave-fears-for-rugby-league

 

[Garlic muncher]

Thanks for the correction - I thought Campbelltown being 50 kms to the south west, was not considered "western suburbs".
Here is a 30.11.16 article by ex RL coach Chris Anderson, which states his concerns about GR RL, & refers to declining nos. in RL also. -& implies this is the reason for Grant "reneging"on a deal to fund NRL clubs.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/11/30/13/30/ex-coach-s-grave-fears-for-rugby-league

I think they are called WSDJRL after the now merged club between WS and Balmain, called Wests Tigers, that area right out SW is a huge area, WS original area is now really inner western suburbs, gentrified with very little RL.

The now merged areas between Canterbury district juniors and WS is a absolutely huge part of Sydney.

 

[BringBackTorps]

David Hill, ex Nth Sydney RL President, in 2012 gave the keynote address for the annual Tom Brock lectures (always has a RL theme).

He said there has been along term decline in Syd. RL clubs & regd. players, particularly for regd. players over 12 y.o.

When he became President of Nth Syd. in the early 90's, he noticed the big drop in playing nos. in Nth Syd., cf. his playing days there. From the early 90's to 2012, there had been a further drop in RL regd. nos. for players 15 y.o +, of c.25%; & very little jnr. league south of Chatswood.

Hill said the Nth Syd. decline in nos. could not simply be attributed to its changing demographics -because, for example, Penrith District RL in the 70's had 32 RL clubs, in 2012 only 22.

 

[pOleK]

Percentage wise far more people globally are aware of Rugby League than AF, and that's a fact.

I'm going to stop you right there. The thing that irks me the most about League fans is them taking the credit for people knowing of "Rugby". The don't mean the lesser off, downgraded cousin of it, they're talking about Union. Union is a truly international sport with professional leagues across Europe, Asia and in the US. So I guess to sort of correct you:

More people are aware of Rugby Union than AFL, and that is a fact. But upon hearing and seeing about Rugby League they associate it with union due to them both using the term Rugby and have very similar traits albeit being completely different sports.

 

[papabear]

TBH I think the best growth Rugby League can have is by flogging the crap out of touch footy and tag to both boys and girls (especially girls).

Structurally, the more violent a sport, the more downward the trend. You can see that everywhere.

 

[Garlic muncher]

David Hill, ex Nth Sydney RL President, in 2012 gave the keynote address for the annual Tom Brock lectures (always has a RL theme).

He said there has been along term decline in Syd. RL clubs & regd. players, particularly for regd. players over 12 y.o.

When he became President of Nth Syd. in the early 90's, he noticed the big drop in playing nos. in Nth Syd., cf. his playing days there. From the early 90's to 2012, there had been a further drop in RL regd. nos. for players 15 y.o +, of c.25%; & very little jnr. league south of Chatswood.

Hill said the Nth Syd. decline in nos. could not simply be attributed to its changing demographics -because, for example, Penrith District RL in the 70's had 32 RL clubs, in 2012 only 22.

The people in the know comment, anecdotal evidence is plentiful, the stats back it up, but apparently all is well in RL central.

 

[Bachars Beard]

The NRL keep recruiting from NZ & Pacific islands. That makes their local junior recruiting less important than the AR junior figures.
We have our own battle with soccer.

You do realise Pacific Islanders have been playing the sport for as long as it's being played right? And some people with Pacific Island backgrounds are actually locals right? This isn't white Australia anymore.

If people of pacific island backgrounds started playing our game in great numbers why would that be a bad thing? Your post has a tone of subtle racism.

You've compared our "battle" with soccer to RL's battle with a race of people taking up the sport (even though they've been playing it for 100 years)

 

[Our Game]

You do realise Pacific Islanders have been playing the sport for as long as it's being played right? And some people with Pacific Island backgrounds are actually locals right? This isn't white Australia anymore.

But they didnt live in Australia in big numbers until recently when they started coming in the back door via NZ.

 

[Bachars Beard]

But they didnt live in Australia in big numbers until recently when they started coming in the back door via NZ.

Haha and that somehow makes it any less racist/xenophobic to claim that their participation in a sport is not legitimate or is somehow spoiling the traditions. The Pacific Islander have been playing both rugby codes for as long as the game has been played. Rugby League people aren't making these claims it's people like madmug and Garlic muncher who are making them.

Are you Mark Rendell in disguise?

 

[Garlic muncher]

Haha and that somehow makes it any less racist/xenophobic to claim that their participation in a sport is not legitimate or is somehow spoiling the traditions. The Pacific Islander have been playing both rugby codes for as long as the game has been played. Rugby League people aren't making these claims it's people like madmug and Garlic muncher who are making them.

Are you Mark Rendell in disguise?

LOL, grow up, no one is racist here

 

[Bachars Beard]

LOL, grow up, no one is racist here

Ok, Mark or should I call you Phillip?

Did I mis quote you?

You're probably the most xenophobic person on here. I say that as a Pacific Islander myself. If we all started playing Football (like my children do) you'd be the first person to deem that a bad thing.

 

[Bachars Beard]

Open the squad names, they don't need to go to the Islands, the islands have come to them.

Anecdotal evidence suggest that RL's traditional white anglo saxon demographic has left RL.

Lol. Grow up. Why does a list of players from one team prove that an entire demographic has left a sport?

Maybe they're more open to people of different demographics and rather than leaving it's actually changed through shifts in society.

Whats your ideal vision of Football, mark? Stuck in a time warp of white Australians with the occasional aboriginal player?

 

[Our Game]

Haha and that somehow makes it any less racist/xenophobic to claim that their participation in a sport is not legitimate or is somehow spoiling the traditions. The Pacific Islander have been playing both rugby codes for as long as the game has been played. Rugby League people aren't making these claims it's people like madmug and Garlic muncher who are making them.

Are you Mark Rendell in disguise?

Where did I say they shouldnt play RU or RL eh? They are the prefect fit for the both rugby games that require a lot of pure brute strength whereas Australian Football and soccer players need more running and endurance combined with strength esp Australian Football.

 

[Garlic muncher]

Ok, Mark or should I call you Phillip?

Did I mis quote you?

You're probably the most xenophobic person on here. I say that as a Pacific Islander myself. If we all started playing Football (like my children do) you'd be the first person to deem that a bad thing.

Couldn't be further from the truth mate.

The facts are that the traditional RL demographic which are white anglo celtic kids have been displaced at junior level by kids of PI background.

Saying that does not make me xenophobic, racist or any other word, it makes you extremely thin skinned to take that out of it.

I am not the first, many RL identities say exactly the same thing, and it is part of the reason why IMO RL junior numbers are down.

It is not a bad thing or a good thing, it is just a fact.

 

[Our Game]

Lol. Grow up. Why does a list of players from one team prove that an entire demographic has left a sport?

Maybe they're more open to people of different demographics and rather than leaving it's actually changed through shifts in society.

Whats your ideal vision of Football, mark? Stuck in a time warp of white Australians with the occasional aboriginal player?

You will find if you open your eyes Australian Football has many players of different ethnic backgrounds.

 

[Bachars Beard]

You will find if you open your eyes Australian Football has many players of different ethnic backgrounds.

I never claimed it didn't. Most sports in Australia have a mix of ethnicities including the rugby codes that's part of our multicultural society.

Should we attribute the different ethnic backgrounds to the decline in AUstralian Footballs health in Queensland?

 

[Our Game]

I never claimed it didn't. Most sports in Australia have a mix of ethnicities including the rugby codes that's part of our multicultural society.

Should we attribute the different ethnic backgrounds to the decline in AUstralian Footballs health in Queensland?[/QUOTE]

Just shows you know very little about how footy works it has nothing to do with the players backgrounds just very poor management at both clubs and thats why the AFL has stepped in.