What are you even talking about? Same glass house? What does that even mean?
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What are you even talking about? Same glass house? What does that even mean?
Swans fans dont like ANZ either.
Obviously better stadiums wont triple crowd figures, but if you are suggesting that better stadiums / viewing won't help getting more people to to those stadiums to view the game, then tbh you are going against the policies that have worked for the AFL.
The thing with Sydney and the NRL, is there is no "make people go" or "attendance culture" like going to watch a game in shit conditions is a badge of honour. If you want to go, go, if you don't don't. Same with going to the beach, the movies whatever.
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That the AFL owns the glass house, and everyone else has to make do with a tiny corner of it?
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I am surprised you haven't heard of that analogy.
As far as I can see reading the papers in sydney and news in sydney. The NRL doesn't crap on about its popularity, if anything if any metrics are down the papers will bash the nrl's popularity.
The AFL on the other hand.....
again the glass houses analogy.
IMO most rugby league fans, defend the game for not being as unpopular as fan of AFL/Union say it is.
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It is completely irrelevant to my post (and is not even an analogy by the way, it's a proverb)!
I wasn't throwing any stones, I was just fleshing out the point the other guy was making because another League dude couldn't grasp it (CTE?)
Rugby League is the dominant code in PNG - no other country. It has a small base in rural yorkshire / lancashire and otherwise has essentially astro turfed presence in other countries using rugby union left overs. Despite a century head start on union as a semi pro / pro sport it is second to it every where outside of Australia and PNG. It is about to have a world cup this year where most teams will be full of people who grew up playing rugby union but were not good enough to make their country's union team
Australian football is the dominant football code in australia by an ever increasing margin with a sprinkling of amateur activity around the globe that a small minority of the games supporters give a thought to
These sports are not in the same glass house
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They might alter soon with Perth.
Rugby League has professional teams and semi professional teams in the UK, France, NZ, PNG and even Canada now.
I'm not going to get in a argument over this and there is no dispute we are the No 1 football in code Australia, but we are light years behind Rugby League globally, and they are small globally.
Absolutely. RL is an English game & split from RU. I think people kid them selves if they think AR will kill RL anytime soon. RL is a cultural institition in Sydney & NSW rural areas (& QLD)& with Pacific islanders. Its also a TV game. Sydney people dont attend sport like in AR areas. That doesnt mean its dying off. The last TV rights deal showed that.
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All football codes have their origins in Great Britain, again another fact none of us can dispute.
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Lol more like the other way round. It can be easily proven by a 15 minute browse on LU!
Most afl fans will be busy rubbishing other teams or discount politics of their code, the league mob seem to carry chips on their shoulders & feel the need to rubbish other codes & make up dribble to justify their codes popularity
Now back on to crowds, why the nrls are so pathetic
You're not going to get in to an argument over this but you are wrong
The AFL is bigger in $$ than all of the RL professional and semi professional leagues
combined globally.
Rugby League has a genuine footprint in its birthplace, of course, in rural areas in the north of england....but he ESL has been pretty much stagnant for the decades since union went pro. It is niche to nothing every where else in the world outside of PNG
The only people who think Rugby League is light years ahead globally are deluded Rugby League types. On that note, at least Papabear has the spine to own that he is primarily a league man
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But the AFL is not global, while Rugby League is.
When we a professional team overseas we can talk about being global, but until that day happens we remain a domestic comp.
Percentage wise far more people globally are aware of Rugby League than AF, and that's a fact.
I would seriously doubt that AFL is bigger that the NRL and SL put together.
Rural areas of the UK? I don't think places like Leeds, Bradford, Hull, St Helens, Warrington would be classed as Rural.
I'm not a League man but admit to have a passing interest in the game due to being married to a girl who's brothers played the game in Sydney and i have the up most respect for them.
So nobody kicked or ran with a ball until the poms did it a couple of centuries ago?
Gee. The rest of human time must have been pretty boring
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All the football codes in this country have their origins in GB.So nobody kicked or ran with a ball until the poms did it a couple of centuries ago?
Gee. The rest of human time must have been pretty boring
As has been said before - Sydney has never in my lifetime (I'm 48) had a culture of going to home and away NRL/NSWRL games - especially away games. I'm a Manly supporter and have never seen them play anywhere other than Brookvale (not unusual for Manly supporters)
It is without doubt a better product on TV. Also (and I know AFL people have trouble grasping this) football club membership as a concept has only existed for a short time and is still a foreign concept to most people; as you don't buy memberships/season tickets there is no financial outlay so no "loss" in not going. I've been a Swans member and a Richmond interstate member and have gone to games that I really didn't want to, because of that financial outlay.
Apart from a small number of fanatics, it will generally be a case of "hey, my team is playing at home in an hour or so, hmmm weather looks ok, might ring a couple of mates and see if they want to go, but we might just watch it at the pub".
I was blown away when I lived in Adelaide the way some of my workmates had their whole seasons planned out - which games they were going to travel to Melbourne for, which family events they would be missing because of footy games etc.
It didn't help the NRL that they went through a period of dynamic fixturing set by the TV networks so you didn't know when a game was going to be played until a few weeks ahead
Internationally - yes.
Globally - I'm yet to be convinced.
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They must force people to go to Swans games and to all the other games in the southern states
I totally agree with your theory about the football states they don't have beaches, pubs, art galleries and movie theatres etc south of West Wyalong.
Last time I was in Melbourne during footy season there was huge lines snaking around city blocks to see some live shows or perhaps it was a new art exhibition, I can't remember exactly but I was struck by the amount of people in the city doing different things, the footy on the same day attracted 60,000.
Your excuses are just that- Sydney basically just don't care about RL in any meaningful way, bar some TV ratings for SOO.
They just don't care mate.
Nobody forces swans fans to go.
In fact I think you will find that compared to any AFL side from Vic/WA/SA given the same amount of success the swans crowds are pretty shit. That is despite the fact that a good proportion of Swans fans would have been bought up in the same game attendance culture of the southern states.
In fact, I dare say, that there are probably more swans fans floating around then a lot of other clubs (same potentially to with the lions) but the percentage who attend games regularly would be lower then other clubs.
I dont care about my footy different if I am watching it at home or at the game. If you do, good on you.
And with respect if Sydney doesnt care about RL in any meaningful way, it does not give a flying toad shit about AFL.
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You just answered your own question.
IMO RL is basically on life support in Sydney, all these alleged fans don't go and looking at some recent TV ratings don't watch either, they don't play seeing as junior comps are being merged and numbers have been going south whilst the population goes North.
Besides all that, it is going gangbusters.
He didn't say other states don't have these, what he said was: "If you want to go, go, if you don't don't. Same with going to the beach, the movies whatever"
OK, <clap clap> very good, now I know you are taking the you know what.
Funny thing is, league would be my number 3 sport (4 if you count cricket) after union and aussie rules so I don't really care, but it is amazing having people who know nothing about Sydney rabbitting on.
As for playing numbers, so what - not many Americans play gridiron, but its still doing OK
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The comparison with gridiron is just not on, that has always been the case for gridiron ( few numbers) but RL was built on the back of grass roots community support, gridiron was never a pyramid structure, RL was.
Once kids play another game, the parents usually follow.
I know Sydney fairly well and have lived in Sydney.
I know - was throwing my own bit of hypebole in, but like Mark Twain, the rumours of RL's death are greatly exaggerated.
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I would also agree its death is exaggerated, but i don't agree that Rl owns Sydney like it has in the past, I think it has got plenty of problems there.
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