AFL 2014 Ladder Predictions

[Tiger71]

Couldn't give a sh!# what neutrals think but yeah Martin had a heap of scoring shots. Great stat.

But let's compare clearances and contested possessions and tackles.

Do you really believe that Richmond's 7 best midfielders are far superior to North's?

Swallow, Cunnington, Ziebell, Wells, Dal Santo, Bastinac, Atley.

Of course you do.

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When did I say our mid were superior to yours? You are jumping the gun mate. We both have good mids, as to tackles that stat really is not as revelant as the past. Our game plan revolves around a team zone defense and keeping the ball off our opposition. It's funny people look at tackles but ignore the pressure acts that cause the ball be turned over.

bottom line this is not a north v Richmond thread. we are both up and coming sides. be content with that

 

[Simba Moyo]

Seriously, Richmond's mids >> Norths. I think you're on the wrong board, the bay is that way ----->

But Black is better than Vickery. Simon Black that is. Vickery is more versatile than Aaron Black.

 

[Jay-Z]

Couldn't give a sh!# what neutrals think but yeah Martin had a heap of scoring shots. Great stat.

But let's compare clearances and contested possessions and tackles.

Do you really believe that Richmond's 7 best midfielders are far superior to North's?

Swallow, Cunnington, Ziebell, Wells, Dal Santo, Bastinac, Atley.

Of course you do.

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I'd still have Boomer in our best 7 mids (ahead of Atley) and yeah, that 7 is better than Richmond's.

I wouldn't have Black ahead of Vickery (about even at this stage) but he certainly has more upside

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[Jay-Z]

Any neutral would say, at this stage Norths mids, though good are not better then ours. Bottom line our mids are more dangerous compared to yours. We have goal kicking mids, even though cotchin was injured in parts this year and only kicked 6 goals, we have mids who generated 55 scoring shots, no mid on your list can compare to that.

WTF??

Wells 25 goals
Bastinac 20 goals
Ziebell 20 goals
Harvey 19 goals (from only 16 games)
Cunnington 14 goals

Yeah I'm not concerned about our lack of goal kicking mids

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[Seedsfan]

WTF??

Wells 25 goals
Bastinac 20 goals
Ziebell 20 goals
Harvey 19 goals (from only 16 games)
Cunnington 14 goals

Yeah I'm not concerned about our lack of goal kicking mids

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Doesn't matter how good your players are if they can't play 4 quarters they are never going to get anywhere

 

[Royce Hafey]

People are missing the point here. Black is better than Vickery because his font size is bigger. Also Jack Riewoldt is only half as good as Drew Petrie because Jack has only kicked 320 goals in 134 games and is only 25 whereas Drew is 31 and has kicked 309 goals in 244 games. That means Jack is selfish and petulant and was only attempting to slyly draw attention away from is selfishness and petulance by being the number 1 player in the league for goal assists in 2013. Also his body language is suspect whereas Drew is a good bloke.

 

[Jay-Z]

It does, stats can be made to tell any story. To get a true picture we need to go back and have a look at every score by both sides. You may find that Norths problems in final quarters is because there mids go missing and are not damaging in the last

Or you may find that we have a pretty young list and a game plan that requires a heap of running and our issue in those close games was often a lapse in the 3rd quarter rather than the last. Again, the lapses that cost us close games were defensive lapses and have nothing to do with the fact North's mids had more scoreboard impact that Richmond's

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[BM123]

Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Ellis, Conca, Vlaustin, Grigg.

Yeah Richmond wins.

Why did you add Grigg ?

 

[Tiger_man322]

Just like 17 other clubs you wish you had him.

Nope. Last time I looked, we had a 2 time coleman medallist playing who is only 25. A forward option who can play ruck and kick goals and a 202cm monster waiting in the wings. Black would be a replacment for A.Edwards at best.

 

[Tiger_man322]

Agree that Richmonds midfield is very good. Better than ours I'm not sure. I think with the addition of NDS the balance would certainly have tipped in Norths favour.

One player does not tip the favour. You still have a 38 year old in your best 22 who is the midfield. NDS is 30-31. Our oldest player in the midfield is Nathan Foley. Yet yours is better? For how long? This year?

 

[KillaKanga]

One player does not tip the favour. You still have a 38 year old in your best 22 who is the midfield. NDS is 30-31. Our oldest player in the midfield is Nathan Foley. Yet yours is better? For how long? This year?

He's 35 and he'd be in your best 22 too

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[RossFC]

Boomer is good enough to be in any team.

 

[Tiger_man322]

He's 35 and he'd be in your best 22 too

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He is still the oldest bloke running around behind Fletch.

 

[KillaKanga]

He is still the oldest bloke running around behind Fletch.

Are you expecting someone to refute that fact?

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[Kimbo]

Black would be a replacment for A.Edwards at best.

Funny 'bout that. Could be why we traded Azza, knowing we had Black coming through?

Black could be very, very good, but many fans tend to "go up before acceptances" with their predictions of superstardom.

One player does not tip the favour. You still have a 38 year old in your best 22 who is the midfield. NDS is 30-31. Our oldest player in the midfield is Nathan Foley. Yet yours is better? For how long? This year?

God, how I hate the age-ism that creeps into these conversations, about quality.

Boomer is good enough to be in any team.

And that's an understatement.

 

[Kimbo]

North Melbourne and Richmond fans have been ****-teased by finals for so long that their fans are starting to get a little angsty.

To be honest, I think there's something to this. Like Richmond before us, we've got a fanbase that has seen relatively recent success, and it's led us to come to expect it to come again, soon.

As a result, there's a certain impatience. I just hope we don't endure the barren times Richmond have since 1980.

 

[jive]

1. Hawthorn
2. Sydney
3. Geelong
4. North Melbourne
5. Fremantle
6. Richmond
7. Port Adelaide
8. Carlton
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9. Collingwood
10. Adelaide
11. West Coast
12. Gold Coast
13. Essendon
14. Brisbane
15. Western Bulldogs
16. St. Kilda
17. Melbourne
18. GWS

 

[Kcrack]

Too many delusional north fans in here I'm afraid.

Richmond midfield >>>> Norths midfield

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/richmonds-midfield-vs-norths-midfield.1038070/

Not according to BF on the polls board. Wait let me guess, must be all North alts voting?

 

[Simba Moyo]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/richmonds-midfield-vs-norths-midfield.1038070/

Not according to BF on the polls board. Wait let me guess, must be all North alts voting?

The most reliable source of data known to man, a bigfooty poll

 

[Kcrack]

The most reliable source of data known to man, a bigfooty poll

But when people discuss the same topic on the Main Board, it's legit?

 

[Spirit Level]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/richmonds-midfield-vs-norths-midfield.1038070/

Not according to BF on the polls board. Wait let me guess, must be all North alts voting?

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that it's due to a combination of north posters and the fact that there are 3 other clubs supporters who despise richmond, where as most supporters are indifferent to north.

Could be wrong, just going on what I've observed

 

[Simba Moyo]

But when people discuss the same topic on the Main Board, it's legit?

It's just an opinion man, don't take it to heart. Everyone overrates their teams midfield unless you're a west coast supporter, so let's just wait for the season to start first yeah?

 

[Dave]

Sorry boss, missed them out. But either way don't see them making the 8 without injecting steroids up the arseh*le.

So we now have Bay 13, Bay 13 for Essendon (aka the HTB) and Bay 13 mkIII.

 

[jknothimjustafan]

I am going to weigh into the Richmond vs North debate just because I can.

Re the midfield. I think Richmond has more talent at the top end/starting midfield but North have better depth/evenness. So overall North but only just.

Re Aaron Black. So far hasn't achieved a whole lot so to say he is better/will be better than proven players is premature. However, I am huge wraps on this guy and it wouldn't shock me at all if he kicked 50 odd goals next year. Until this happens though it is difficult/wrong to talk him up.

Re their final ladder position. From memory I had NM very high up in my ladder and Richmond in the bottom half of the top 8. I think North will be seriously stung by the events of last year and it will motivate them this year. They may tire a tad near the end of the season and wont win the grand final but they will do really well. They might beat Sydney, Hawthorn, Fremantle etc but then might lose to teams who they are expected to win against. A little hard to predict. Richmond will beat the teams below them, struggle against the likes of Sydney, Hawthorn and Fremantle but will be competitive against everyone else. So a little easier to predict. I think NM will finish 3rd and Richmond finish 6th but they will only win 1 final each.

For the record I think WC will finish 9th-12th and won't beat either team.

 

[Spoken4]

I like the way you did this. I agree with your list at the assumtion of all teams having an injury free season. I think the Suns do have a 'chance' to make the eight or at least be a contender, although it is almost impossible to remove any one of the other 9 contenders you've mentioned.

I have a reserved feeling that freo might be subjected to an injury prone season (although I really hope not). Ross Lyon's gameplan involves LOTS of pressure, running, endurance and flooding. As a consequence the players tire quicker and thus need more interchange rotations. Less rotations may be likely to increase the chance of injury.....although this could be the case for many other teams this year as well.

You mean like they had last year? Our list was deep enough then to cope well and has been bolstered by the recruitment of Sylvia and Gumbleton and from improvements in younger players like Sutcliffe, Crozier, Sheridan, Neale, Hannath, Taberner, Smith and Menegola. New recruits Grey, Apeness, A Pearce and Vandeleur look to be AFL ready as well.