Autopsy AFL 2023 Grand Final - Pies vs Lions Sat Sept 30th 2:30pm EST (MCG)

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

Biggest ever comeback in a grand final at 3/4 is 24 points in 1984. They’d want to be a bit closer I’d reckon.

Maybe, but it's all mental. They'll both be knackered at that stage with the heat, in this scenario.
The crowd starts "Coooollingwoood, Coooollingwoood", get a quick goal or two, and tired Lions could try and save it, which won't end well if 20 points up with 15 minutes to go...

 

[Downhill Skier]

Which is why they need a more concrete way of adjudicating the rule. To say it’s robbery is wrong though.

It’s not robbery but it was a bad call at a crucial moment of the game .

The umpiring was mostly ok besides Daicos being treated like a QB

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Potentially. I know it was deemed advantage as the Brisbane player opted to dispose of the ball after a free kick was paid. Doesn’t really matter what situation they were in really, don’t dispose of the ball if you hear a whistle.

Yeah they never bring me them back- besides most of the time.

 

[Ocram69]

Genuinely deserved flag for the Pies, despite the late advantage call.

I will say though, that Billy Frampton is a brave man for celebrating that medal being placed around his neck.
Considering the way every player is involved in modern footy from a rotational perspective, that has to be THE single worst performance from an individual resulting in a Premiership medal. Hopefully he does the right thing and gives it to John Noble on Mad Monday.

His job was to stop Harris Andrews intercepting game. Job completed. Andrews had one intercept mark.

 

[What else we can do]

Doors are locked. Windows shut. Refraining from venturing out for the next 72 hours and hopefully avoid the purge.

I'm turning into Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino

 

[TW Sherrin]

Umpires cost Brisbane?

Fmd

 

[No SPIN]

Lol. I just watched the last 2 minutes back. I don’t think the commentary team saying “ridiculous. That is ridiculous.” does a lot for those arguing that Collingwood weren’t gifted this game.

We finished Top, beat Melb the Flag favorites and the GWS juggernaut.
And we still have inane attempts at discrediting our flag by fools.
Never change BF.

 

[terrybull]

Congratulations Magpies

But now Pandora’s box is open. Their modern curse of winning Premierships only in years ending in 0 is broken.

Expect the evil empire to reign like they did in the 20’s and 30’s.

But seriously well done! And seems all Collingwood Grand Finals are classic.

 

[Chuckie357]

Umpies sucked off all year, and saved the best treatment right at the end of the game. The most looked after team (duckcos anyone) by far.

Sounds like someone is upset because the most overrated player of all time isn’t allowed to do as he pleases anymore and is now moving to the gold
Cost

Collingwood have been well looked after the last couple weeks

I think it’s called karma for how your your captain previously acted

 

[The 747]

Sigh oh well.

Congratulations to Collingwood, best side all year and deserved winners.

 

[McOrist]

Pies
That is all.

 

[My Tilly]

What does this mean?

Rayner is a best 22 player who just didn't have his best day.

Frampton was only selected because he's tall. Quite literally no other reason. Wasn't selected because of ability or a hunch he'd perform. It's the most hollow premiership medal in league history aside from James Jordan who didn't take the field.

Even Cam Mooney gets a pass for his 5 minutes of statless fame in 1999, because he was never given another opportunity to impact the contest.

You bagged a bloke who should never have been playing to begin with as he's a VFL standard footballer.
The fact he had to come in at the last second says it all, no one ever expected him to do anything. He's depth.

Rayner had one good final and two absolute shockers. This is a bloke who is touted as the next Dustin Martin. Everyone (including yourself) were salivating at the fact he was about to turn it on this years finals series.

And please don't bring Cam Mooney into a conversation to do about Cam Rayner. Mooney was a late draft selection who ended up becoming an All Australian and 3 x Premiership player. A cornerstone in Geelong's golden era.

You obviously don't know football with such woeful views on the sport.

 

[Blackhawk42]

His job was to stop Harris Andrews intercepting game. Job completed. Andrews had one intercept mark.

And he gave away two free kicks. So let's just say it's 3 intercept marks. It had zero impact on the game.

 

[Engimal v3]

Will always be a hollow flag. 90% of Australia knows and will never let you forget it

No one cares

 

[Engimal v3]

Bunch of sooky la las in this thread, up the mighty PIES

 

[Ocram69]

Lol. I just watched the last 2 minutes back. I don’t think the commentary team saying “ridiculous. That is ridiculous.” does a lot for those arguing that Collingwood weren’t gifted this game.

That is quite some mental gymnastics from you asserting that because the commentary team used the term ridiculous that Collingwood was gifted the game. A game where Collingwood led at every change and had they kicked straight, could have been 4 to 5 goals ahead in the last. Yeah gifted pfffft

 

[OniAu]

Never said pies supporters are responsible for the umpiring, asked for the umpires to be accountable?

It’s a footy board. Umpires form a part of that and can be asked to be accountable.

Where was the protected area for the Lions first goal. Swings and roundabouts. Markov 50 , can go on all day back and forth.

 

[gillon]

Cmon bro, you really gonna take it away from them over that?

Can’t you be happy for someone else?

It’s just a game mate, have a beer and relax

Of course it’s just a game, that doesn’t mean you can’t criticise it. It just sucks that a spectacle was so obviously influenced by bad decisions

Collingwood may have still won if they didn’t gift Sidebottom a shot at goal by extending the 50

Or if Daicos didn’t get given multiple high frees despite lowering himself

Or if the umpire didn’t pay advantage

Or if they paid a free against Maynard for hitting a guy in the head who was already being tackled

Etc.

These are all hypotheticals and Collingwood will always be premiers. Doesn’t mean people have to say that won it fairly.

Unfortunately, we will never know how a fair contest would’ve gone.

 

[Ocram69]

And he gave away two free kicks. So let's just say it's 3 intercept marks. It had zero impact on the game.

Harris Andrews had zero impact on the game and he always kills us with his intercepting game. Frampton did his job and deserves his medal.

 

[OniAu]

Of course it’s just a game, that doesn’t mean you can’t criticise it. It just sucks that a spectacle was so obviously influenced by bad decisions

Collingwood may have still won if they didn’t gift Sidebottom a shot at goal by extending the 50

Or if Daicos didn’t get given multiple high frees despite lowering himself

Or if the umpire didn’t pay advantage

Or if they paid a free against Maynard for hitting a guy in the head who was already being tackled

Etc.

These are all hypotheticals and Collingwood will always be premiers. Doesn’t mean people have to say that won it fairly.

Unfortunately, we will never know how a fair contest would’ve gone.

 

[Blackhawk42]

You bagged a bloke who should never have been playing to begin with as he's a VFL standard footballer.
The fact he had to come in at the last second says it all, no one ever expected him to do anything. He's depth.

Rayner had one good final and two absolute shockers. This is a bloke who is touted as the next Dustin Martin. Everyone (including yourself) were salivating at the fact he was about to turn it on this years finals series.

And please don't compare Cam Mooney to Cam Rayner. Mooney was a late draft selection who ended up becoming an All Australian and 3 x Premiership player. A cornerstone in Geelong's golden era.

You obviously don't know football with such woeful views on the sport.

I'm comparing Frampton's premiership medal winning performance with Mooneys from 1999. Nothing to do with Rayner. I watch ALL the football I can. Which is most of it.

It's another tale of a bloke being picked because he's tall and nothing more. I feel sadness for John Noble more than any other emotion for anything coming out of today's game.

Collingwood will argue that selecting Frampton meant their 'structure' worked. That's fine. But it doesn't mean he isn't the most undeserving recipient of a premiership medal in VFL/AFL history.

You have this bloke winning a medal, while a guy like Shaun Mannagh rots in the VFL because he's 5'9, despite being a more talented footballer in every metric other than manning an opposition tall.

 

[Chronz]

Mindbrokenly bad post.
7000.

Of course it’s just a game, that doesn’t mean you can’t criticise it. It just sucks that a spectacle was so obviously influenced by bad decisions

Collingwood may have still won if they didn’t gift Sidebottom a shot at goal by extending the 50

Or if Daicos didn’t get given multiple high frees despite lowering himself

Or if the umpire didn’t pay advantage

Or if they paid a free against Maynard for hitting a guy in the head who was already being tackled

Etc.

These are all hypotheticals and Collingwood will always be premiers. Doesn’t mean people have to say that won it fairly.

Unfortunately, we will never know how a fair contest would’ve gone.

 

[YeoShuey]

Harris Andrews had zero impact on the game and he always kills us with his intercepting game. Frampton did his job and deserves his medal.

He should give his medal to McStay or Noble who are more worthy.

 

[Chuckie357]

Great game, Pies on top throughout most but this will always go down as a Bulldogs premiership due to thay advantage call. Absolutely terrible and worthy of derision in folklore

Until Fremantle wins somehting their w***er whinging supporters should be banned from any opinions what so ever

 

[OniAu]

I'm comparing Frampton's premiership medal winning performance with Mooneys from 1999. Nothing to do with Rayner. I watch ALL the football I can. Which is most of it.

It's another tale of a bloke being picked because he's tall and nothing more. I feel sadness for John Noble more than any other emotion for anything coming out of today's game.

Collingwood will argue that selecting Frampton meant their 'structure' worked. That's fine. But it doesn't mean he isn't the most undeserving recipient of a premiership medal in VFL/AFL history.

You have this bloke winning a medal, while a guy like Shaun Mannagh rots in the VFL because he's 5'9, despite being a more talented footballer in every metric other than manning an opposition tall.

Give him credit for coming in after not playing for a couple of months at this level, pretty impressive.

What a sretch to bag him for being tall also lol wow

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Of course it’s just a game, that doesn’t mean you can’t criticise it. It just sucks that a spectacle was so obviously influenced by bad decisions

Collingwood may have still won if they didn’t gift Sidebottom a shot at goal by extending the 50

Or if Daicos didn’t get given multiple high frees despite lowering himself

Or if the umpire didn’t pay advantage

Or if they paid a free against Maynard for hitting a guy in the head who was already being tackled

Etc.

These are all hypotheticals and Collingwood will always be premiers. Doesn’t mean people have to say that won it fairly.

Unfortunately, we will never know how a fair contest would’ve gone.

I’m annoyed we didn’t get to see what become of the free to Neale but brother, no point working yourself up!

Pies win the flag 2023, that’s what the history books will say. End of.