Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 8 - Demons v Cats Sat May 4th 7:30pm AEST (MCG)

[demondavey]

We will have to go away and really analyse what they did from that.

Everything went melbournes way and nothing went ours all night.

Incredibly poor performance from cameron cam guthrie hawkins jack henry. Easily the worst they have played all season in a rare one.

It’s really unfair to say nothing went your way, you’ve got to make things happen. We could argue nothing went our way re goal kicking but I am not going to because you have to kick them. Is it a rare one though? Hawkins hasn’t done much in front of goals for a while.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Demons defence and tactics were very impressive, they refused to put the ball anywhere near Stewart for most of the night, ran the ball instead, denied us our preferred style of game - the discipline was evident all night.

It’s something the Bulldogs should try doing, rather than kick it straight to him for the last half decade.

 

[The 747]

It’s something the Bulldogs should try doing, rather than kick it straight to him for the last half decade.

Nah, that works well for us.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The goal kicking from both teams was poor. Geelong were uncharacteristically bad. Cameron missing twice like that was incredibly fortunate but I’ve never seen him do that.

Quality post all round

On the Cameron subject/point (maybe that should be points) it immediately brought to mind the home loss against Fremantle last year and he struggled a bit coming back from the horrific collision with Rohan in our game last year.

I reckon one of the closeish wins in Adelaide this year (I think Gather Round against the Dogs) he butchered a couple of regulation opportunities to ice it. If he hasn't had a great game in front of the sticks, I'm not particularly confident in him during crunch time of a close game.

 

[schmuttt]

Well that’s disappointing if true…

Do you still hold it against him cos of the excuses from 2021 prelim? I can understand that…. Reality is that year was lost at kadinia park in round 23, should have faced you in the granny (probably same result though)

He’s the best coach in the league but he loves making excuses after a loss.

 

[My Tilly]

People often say Cameron is a great set shot but he's been so inconsistent for a couple of years now.
Bit of the old Nick Riewoldt effect taking place. Does so much gut running around the ground that when he finally gets a relatively easy shot at goal, he's physically buggered.

Cats need to bring in Conway and Neale next week. Conway may not run out the game like Stanley but he would certainly give better hit-out, clearance and disposal numbers.
Stanley has never been a genuine ruckman. He's like Blicavs, undersized and we desperately need a 6ft'10 frame to compete in modern day footy.

 

[PhatBoy]

He’s the best coach in the league but he loves making excuses after a loss.

People often conflagrate an excuse with an explanation.

Saying his players were ‘off’ is not an excuse. Saying that the ball would often land a few inches out of reach etc is not an excuse it’s just reality it’s a game of inches as he said and in literally the same sentence that he said that - the actual same sentence - he praised Petty and Van Royen for their marking when Melbourne were bringing the ball out of their own end.

You’ve also got to remember that press conferences aren’t a guy sitting down just giving a stream of consciousness spiel, they’re two way conversations. He’s answering questions so they have input from the people asking them. They go in a direction guided by what’s asked.

He does defend his players there’s no doubt about that but I thought his answer about Hawkins was pretty well thought out and he let the journalist have his say about Hawkins not being as involved was considered and he didn’t get overly defensive about it

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The only knock is that I think by saying Geelong missed you also need to counter it with the fact we also missed a lot as well. Other than that it’s pretty standard.

Doesn't it kind of go without saying?

 

[Toump Ass]

Every coach in the league will trot out a "credit to the opposition"... except Sook Scott.

 

[PhatBoy]

Every coach in the league will trot out a "credit to the opposition"... except Sook Scott.

Yes he sooked a lot last night and made a tonne of excuses and blamed a lot of things

I’m not sure how Melbourne will get past this.
It’s literally 48 hours since he gave a presser saying words to the effect that ‘Petracca knows he will get tagged at some point, that’s what happens to players that are simply that good.’

He’s praised the opposition plenty of times. Watch his post match after the 2000 grand final.

 

[Toump Ass]

Bit tired of the "But Jezza Cameron never misses!!!" bit.

ANB doesn't miss either, but that's what fatigue does. Was a fast game and Jezza Cameron couldn't kick straight because Tom Mac had been fingering him for three quarters of a football match, poor bloke couldn't get his radar back because he was still seeing stars.

 

[Toump Ass]

Yes he sooked a lot last night and made a tonne of excuses and blamed a lot of things

Like always.

 

[PhatBoy]

Like always.

Yes of course.

Literally the first thing he said in the previous press conference after a meaningful loss we had was ‘we were beaten all over the ground’
He said the Saints deserved to be in the finals and dominated every aspect of the game.

The week after that (the final round against the Dogs last year) we picked a bunch of kids as we couldn’t make the finals and that’s all he was asked about aside from a couple of questions about the ruck and he talked about Lobbe and English dominating.

The week before against Collingwood:
‘We had some chances we missed that you can’t against a team that good.
‘There some moments where they positioned themselves better than us. They didn’t just beat us in contest, it came out of our forward 50 much quicker than it normally does, they played well.’

Sounds like he was really making a lot of excuses there. Really had to go back a long way to find those

 

[Osho]

Bit tired of the "But Jezza Cameron never misses!!!" bit.

ANB doesn't miss either, but that's what fatigue does. Was a fast game and Jezza Cameron couldn't kick straight because Tom Mac had been fingering him for three quarters of a football match, poor bloke couldn't get his radar back because he was still seeing stars.

Mcdonald did very well. Early first quarter I thought Cameron was on as he was getting possies front and back, but then was mostly neutralised. I think being tagged is very arduous and even the best players can be knocked off kilter. In the ol days it was a weekly occurence and the best players found ways to counter it and still play well. Tagging these days is much less used so more a shock to the system when used.

So Cats did well to be in it without key talls firing, is another way to look at it.

May Lever Petty were key with aerial dominance. Pickett and Ubermensch Fritch were timely. Terrif game, they'll meet again in finals no doubt in my mind.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It’s really unfair to say nothing went your way, you’ve got to make things happen. We could argue nothing went our way re goal kicking but I am not going to because you have to kick them. Is it a rare one though? Hawkins hasn’t done much in front of goals for a while.

What do you believe went geelongs way last night?? The dewy conditions also made moving the ball with speed a bit more difficult and played into melbournes plan. At no point in the game did we get our transition game up and going. It was 4 quarters of a melbourne defensive lock down game. Yet we still could have won the match. That is generally a sign of a good team to hang in there despite nothing going right. Average teams cant do that.

It even took a 60m bomb from max gawn and fritsch pulling one out his arse followed by cameron missing 2x25m set shots in the last 6 min for an 8 point win.

May, lever, gawn, fritsch, oliver, petracca all played brilliant footy as well. Petty career best game.

From a geelong point of view i am confident if we meet again, but in saying that we need to analyse it and improve on what we did and tweak some things to adjust to the tactics. We cant just dismiss it down to entirely an off night. Melbourne played at their absolute best and we need to look at how to counter it.

 

[Toump Ass]

Yes of course.

Don't have time to read an essay at the moment sorry.

But did you just go through his previous weeks interviews? When Geelong won?

He's very humble when he wins.
Sooks like a bitch when he loses though, like last night.

 

[PhatBoy]

Don't have time to read an essay at the moment sorry.

But did you just go through his previous weeks interviews? When Geelong won?

He's very humble when he wins.
Sooks like a bitch when he loses though, like last night.

No, I literally went through the previous three press conferences after losses, as you would have seen if you had read.

‘Sooks like a bitch.’ You mean like you are doing because a grown man answering questions at a press conference just answered some questions during a seven minute interview in a way that didn’t please you?

Yeah.

 

[Toump Ass]

‘Sooks like a bitch.’ You mean like you are doing because a grown man answering questions at a press conference just answered some questions during a seven minute interview in a way that didn’t please you?

Scott fails to credit the opposition in a sportsmanlike manner when he loses and always makes excuses.

His classic "I can't confirm there was or was not gastro because it will come out eventually" after getting molested in the 2021 prelim is a nice example.

FWIW I'm not pleased or displeased, I'm just stating my opinion which is fwiw pretty common amongst neutral supporters, last night just another in a long line of examples.

 

[PhatBoy]

Scott fails to credit the opposition in a sportsmanlike manner when he loses and always makes excuses.

His classic "I can't confirm there was or was not gastro because it will come out eventually" after getting molested in the 2021 prelim is a nice example.

FWIW I'm not pleased or displeased, I'm just stating my opinion which is fwiw pretty common amongst neutral supporters, last night just another in a long line of examples.

No, I’ve literally just watched the last three press conferences he’s done after defeats and he credited the opposition each time. You just saying ‘this is what he does’ doesn’t make it true mate, I’m sorry to break it to you. Watch his post 2020 grand final one as well if you like. Picking out an example that suits what you think and blanket saying ‘this is what he does all the time’ won’t magically make it correct.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Groats disease will be the cause of their next loss according to Chris Scott

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[PhatBoy]

For a discussion board who’s primary function is for fans to analyse all things football to the nth degree the inability for people to understand when someone comes out and tries to explain why he thinks a result occurred rather than just fob it off under a cloud of cliche is intriguing

 

[demondavey]

What do you believe went geelongs way last night?? The dewy conditions also made moving the ball with speed a bit more difficult and played into melbournes plan. At no point in the game did we get our transition game up and going. It was 4 quarters of a melbourne defensive lock down game. Yet we still could have won the match. That is generally a sign of a good team to hang in there despite nothing going right. Average teams cant do that.

It even took a 60m bomb from max gawn and fritsch pulling one out his arse followed by cameron missing 2x25m set shots in the last 6 min for an 8 point win.

May, lever, gawn, fritsch, oliver, petracca all played brilliant footy as well. Petty career best game.

From a geelong point of view i am confident if we meet again, but in saying that we need to analyse it and improve on what we did and tweak some things to adjust to the tactics. We cant just dismiss it down to entirely an off night. Melbourne played at their absolute best and we need to look at how to counter it.

And you think Melbourne were not impacted by the same conditions? Come on. It wasn’t a defensive lock down game. You’re conflating Melbourne having a good defence with a lockdown style. Melbourne plays its best when attacking, hence last night. I don’t think anyone said Geelong didn’t play well. I think you did. Gawn kicks goals better from there than anywhere else. We also missed plenty as well so the whole Cameron missing doesn’t really stack up. I could argue that the other way and say we could have been 30 up even if Cameron kicked two late.

Fritsch is a freak, he’ll kick those goals if given the chance. He doesn’t pull that out of his arse. If it was Oliver who did that then that’s out of his arse.

Yeah, I think you do need to analyse it. Melbourne were very good and I don’t think dropping in the Cameron quips really do it justice.

 

[PhatBoy]

Saying that things didn’t go our way isn’t really fair on Melbourne because they made it that way and against the better sides that’s how it is going to be.

Our method, BECAUSE we don’t have a dominant ruck and midfield, is going to be spending 60-70 per cent of those games on the opposition’s terms, absorbing the damage they inflict, and doing as much in response during the time we are in control.

It’s worked well so far but we couldn’t do it last night - we still GOT enough of those opportunities to make that method work, but that also owed a lot to the Demons themselves missing opportunities, and to Melbourne’s credit it was them when the decisive moment’s arrived who actually converted some incredible chances late in the game.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

And you think Melbourne were not impacted by the same conditions? Come on. It wasn’t a defensive lock down game. You’re conflating Melbourne having a good defence with a lockdown style. Melbourne plays its best when attacking, hence last night. I don’t think anyone said Geelong didn’t play well. I think you did. Gawn kicks goals better from there than anywhere else. We also missed plenty as well so the whole Cameron missing doesn’t really stack up. I could argue that the other way and say we could have been 30 up even if Cameron kicked two late.

Fritsch is a freak, he’ll kick those goals if given the chance. He doesn’t pull that out of his arse. If it was Oliver who did that then that’s out of his arse.

Yeah, I think you do need to analyse it. Melbourne were very good and I don’t think dropping in the Cameron quips really do it justice.

Melbourne did not play attacking, they focused their entire gameplan around shutting down geelonga run and carry off hb flank and through the corridor then played a chip slow kick gamestyle to deny geelong a turnover in crucial areas of the ground. It was as attacking as a ross lyon game style.

When your entire gameplan revolved around defensively trying to shut down run and carry of your opposition, of cause dewy slippery conditions will suit you better in comparison to dry conditions, which is generally more in september

 

[demondavey]

Melbourne did not play attacking, they focused their entire gameplan around shutting down geelonga run and carry off hb flank and through the corridor then played a chip slow kick gamestyle to deny geelong a turnover in crucial areas of the ground. It was as attacking as a ross lyon game style.

When your entire gameplan revolved around defensively trying to shut down run and carry of your opposition, of cause dewy slippery conditions will suit you better in comparison to dry conditions, which is generally more in september

Sound like a big sook. But that’s ok.

So we focused on shutting down run, predominately Tom Stewart. Guess that’s ‘boring’.