Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 9 - Blues v Demons Thurs May 9th 7:30pm AEST (MCG)

[Chief]

Did May touch the Curnow goal in the 3rd quarter?

By the way: I don't think so.

If he did, it wasn't obvious enough to show up on camera.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Did Carlton's percentage go backwards after that win

Very strong chance on a 1pt win. Do you know how percentages work?

 

[danster168]

Free kick to Oliver turns into free kick Cripps. At the very most, play on.

 

[PP34]

Especially up against a side after a 5 day break (one day less than their opponents).

Carlton do feel a bit like Brisbane earlier last year (and this year) at the moment. They go defensive early and just invite pressure.

I definitely want to see us really put a team to the sword instead of just going into a shell.

Our best patch last year was when we played with a bit of dare.

Tonight I don’t think it was helped by the dominance of Gawn and then us losing some pace in the middle in Cerra. Gawn in particular just ensures that the Dees will continue to remain in games.

Voss and the coaches seem to still be struggling with a mix between locking down games and attacking.

Another goal or two was needed in the third or early in the fourth and the Dees late charge home wouldn’t have even concerned Carlton.

It’s a risky game just conceding ground and hoping your backline holds up against a barrage of inside 50s.

 

[Mr Meow]

what do you mean 'and so did Oliver'?

Oliver has more accolades than Petracca. Petracca needs to catch Oliver first. Oliver's accolades speak for themselves. 4 bnf's = the coaches rate him higher.

Oliver had credibility as an Uber elite player two years ago. He went on a run of 230+ coaches votes in 2 seasons. He has 40 coaches votes in the 1.5 seasons since.

Oliver was very good in 2017 and 2018, then fantastic 2021/2022. 3 All Australian selections reflect that. To be a midfield great you really need 7+ elite seasons at a minimum.

Petracca is putting together an incredible run. 413 coaches votes (I am awarding him 10 tonight) in his last 4.5 seasons. This year will mark off his 5th consecutive elite year. He is overtaking Oliver with the speed burners on and will have a significantly better finish to his career than Oliver.

Find a single Demons supporter or neutral who disagrees with this.

 

[Dramoth]

Spot on. And they were still close on each occasion so supporters could rightly not be too disheartened; there were merely things to rectify. As there still are after tonight. But they are very much up their necks in the premiership race at this stage. If all of these elements do come together for 4 quarters a few finals in a row...look out. By the same token small margins could derail things. And that's why we love footy! Knife edge stuff.

A lot of people have been ignoring the fact that Carlton in the last 3 weeks, including tonight, have played the last 3 premiership winning teams and have played well enough not to have disgrace themselves. And managed to pick up the win tonight. If that suggests anything, the Blues aren’t that far off the pace.

 

[Madas]

It's very possible, but it was never called for review. Field ump never called touched off the boot and goal ump never asked for a review.
Whilst every goal gets reviewed, if it isn't called for review by the umpires on the ground, they only have the 20-30sec that it takes to get back to the middle and ball it up to overturn the call.
It was very odd for the ARC to tell the umpires to hold for review before balling it up.
Seemed beyond their scope and not sure there's a precedent.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard the ARC do that ?

 

[Mr Meow]

A lot of people have been ignoring the fact that Carlton in the last 3 weeks, including tonight, have played the last 3 premiership winning teams and have played well enough not to have disgrace themselves. And managed to pick up the win tonight. If that suggests anything, the Blues aren’t that far off the pace.

A lot of people are idiots. All that I've seen with the 3 losses are that it obviously makes finishing top 4 difficult. So it's a pure numbers game. Another close loss tonight and it would've been the same. This one steadied the ship even if performance wise you could say not much separates every Carlton performance this season (there have been good and bad elements in all of them).

Blues are absolutely up there. Wins are solid gold at this point as we are right at the point where teams can start an amazing run that lasts through September (see the Richmond flag sides, Melbourne 2021, Geelong 2022 etc).

 

[PP34]

Spent all of our tickets in the first half. Carrying some underdone players Cerra didn’t even make it through. Dees probably more hardened and sides know we are always a chance to slip up, but I think more credit needs to be given to our first half. We dominated them and put on a big enough buffer to hold on. We were never going to outplay them for four quarters and they are a very good side. They showed that tonight.

It’s like people have just completely written off or forgotten the Dees have a lot of talent because of the straight sets two years in a row and the culture crap.

Their forward line will always make me question their flag credentials but everywhere else they are as good as any other side.

May, Lever etc will always ensure they don’t concede a heaps goals.

Gawn, Petracca, Oliver (at his best) etc will always keep them in the game in the midfield.

Even when games get out of touch early, they are probably the best in the league at slowing down teams and turning games into real grinds. Their problem always appears to be they can only score freely when chasing a game and the opponent might have let down their guard or run out of legs.

 

[Dramoth]

did you gloss over the Walsh one? and the Van Rooyen one? Or the Neal-Bullen one where he chased him down from 30m and somehow not paid. mind boggling.

Gov flopped. Van Rooyen got the ball. If he didn't flop he probably would've got the mark awarded tbh

In the video, you can clearly see that Van Rooyen’s elbow collected Gov in the side of the head. Gov also has control of the ball by the time that Van Rooyen collected him. You sound like a bad loser really. Yes, there were some dodgy and frankly baffling umpiring decisions. But this was one of the worst.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I don't consider it a win or a loss. it wasn't a real game of footy with those umpires. it was unrecognisable. Go and watch the replay. Was the Steven May one touched? Was the Van Rooyen one dangerous tackle? Was the 4 Sam Walsh ones holding the ball? Was the Hollands not giving the ball back 50m penalty? Unless you're going to answer these questions with video evidence I won't entertain this. Pathetic umpiring .

Epic melt. Almost better than a 1pt win... almost.

 

[danster168]

Oliver had credibility as an Uber elite player two years ago. He went on a run of 230+ coaches votes in 2 seasons. He has 40 coaches votes in the 1.5 seasons since.

Oliver was very good in 2017 and 2018, then fantastic 2021/2022. 3 All Australian selections reflect that. To be a midfield great you really need 7+ elite seasons at a minimum.

Petracca is putting together an incredible run. 413 coaches votes (I am awarding him 10 tonight) in his last 4.5 seasons. This year will mark off his 5th consecutive elite year. He is overtaking Oliver with the speed burners on and will have a significantly better finish to his career than Oliver.

Good research. Oliver has been a jet from day one. He won our BnF in his 2nd season when Petracca was barely firing a shot.
Before tonight people were talking about how poor Petracca has been the last few weeks. For me, for Petracca to overtake Oliver, he needs to win at least 1 coaches votes award and equal Oliver in Bnf's. Oliver has 4 bnf's. That's 4 elite seasons. That's with Max Gawn and Petracca. Petracca has won 2.

You say Oliver was great in 2021 and 2022. And since then he has X amount of coaches votes etc. You know Oliver has basically been injured since 2022. He missed like 11 games last year. Did you forget that? It's a bit hard to vote when you're out. And this season, I think it's pretty amazing that he's even playing with having no pre-season, being overweight and then breaking his hand. we need to factor all that in too.

 

[danster168]

In the video, you can clearly see that Van Rooyen’s elbow collected Gov in the side of the head. Gov also has control of the ball by the time that Van Rooyen collected him. You sound like a bad loser really. Yes, there were some dodgy and frankly baffling umpiring decisions. But this was one of the worst.

good luck getting people to agree with you that this was worse than the Van Rooyen tackle. Gov fumbled it. Put it in real time and he didn't control it for long enough. He then tried to milk a free which clouded the umpires judgment.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Especially up against a side after a 5 day break (one day less than their opponents).

Carlton do feel a bit like Brisbane earlier last year (and this year) at the moment. They go defensive early and just invite pressure.

This isn't my quote.

 

[Dramoth]

good luck getting people to agree with you that this was worse than the Van Rooyen tackle. Gov fumbled it. Put it in real time and he didn't control it for long enough. He then tried to milk a free which clouded the umpires judgment.

You said he took the mark. So what was it?

 

[danster168]

You said he took the mark. So what was it?

play on for me. didn't hold it long enough. And a fine for staging.

 

[Dramoth]

He didn't throw his head at the ground. You can see the whole thing in slow motion.

Knee hit the ground and so his lower body stopped while his upper body didn't.

Not a good call but also players had stopped while Melbourne players kept going for "a goal".

You can see his back arching as his upper body is carried forward. Anyone suggesting that he threw his head at the ground to win a free is a muppet.

 

[Dramoth]

play on for me. didn't hold it long enough. And a fine for staging.

Yup, you’re just a poor loser.

 

[danster168]

You can see his back arching as his upper body is carried forward. Anyone suggesting that he threw his head at the ground to win a free is a muppet.

Nah he didn't stage. SHouldn't just been a free to melbourne, play on from Pickett and goal to Langdon in the goal square but wasn't to be. Ump will get reprimanded on Monday to go with a formal apology. How the ump blows that call from the perfect position is highly suspect.

 

[danster168]

Yup, you’re just a poor loser.

he didn't hold it long enough. And Van Rooyen got the ball, not his arms. Gov juggled it twice.

 

[danster168]

thoughts and prayers with the Carlton player. hope he is ok.

 

[Dramoth]

he didn't hold it long enough. And Van Rooyen got the ball, not his arms. Gov juggled it twice.

Shows you didn’t watch it very hard. Gov juggled it three times. And I’m not saying that JVR got his arms, I’m saying that JVR’s elbow collect Gov on the side of the head.

 

[Dramoth]

Nah he didn't stage. SHouldn't just been a free to melbourne, play on from Pickett and goal to Langdon in the goal square but wasn't to be. Ump will get reprimanded on Monday to go with a formal apology. How the ump blows that call from the perfect position is highly suspect.

The elastic is broke you’ve stretch that far trying to justify not paying the free for a dangerous tackle. The umpire didn’t blow the call. You’re so salty that if you went for a swim in the ocean the saline density would actually increase. You’re so salty, Leslie salt is looking to extract more salt for their operations from you.

 

[danster168]

The elastic is broke you’ve stretch that far trying to justify not paying the free for a dangerous tackle. The umpire didn’t blow the call. You’re so salty that if you went for a swim in the ocean the saline density would actually increase. You’re so salty, Leslie salt is looking to extract more salt for their operations from you.

wait, you're not suggesting it actually was a dangerous tackle are you? surely not.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

you can't assure me anything. go look at the video evidence otherwise or you're just supporting umpire corruption as far as I'm concerned. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't fending off considered prior opportunity? If so, umps forgot the rules and cost us many vital frees.

Ducking is also considereal prior. They seemed to forget that at a crucial point.
Does that fit your epic melt?