Autopsy AFL 2024 Round 12 - Port v Blues Thurs May 30th 7:30pm AEST (AO)

[zyzzbruh]

HTB change was hit and miss.

Umpires looked so focussed on paying HTB they forgot about all the other rules.

Walsh tackled immediately over the shoulder, clearly high, but umps so desperate to pay HTB they completely ignore the high contact.

One new interpretation I disagree with is that having one arm free does not mean you had prior opportunity to properly dispose of the football. Are you meant to drop it and hope it makes contact with your foot? Do not like this.

Also where has dropping the ball or improper disposal gone? At least a dozen times Port Adelaide players just let the ball go when tackled - zero free kicks paid.

If this is a sign of what’s to come players just need to let go of the footy when tackled and they will be fine. Don’t even bother making a proper effort.. as long as the ball isn’t in your possession there will be no whistle.

The odd thing is the umps were focussing on no prior HTB when that wasn't even the change. The change was only meant to be the timing of the whistle. The Walsh one was a shocking decision, as was the Weitering one in the first qtr he also had no prior and was not in a realistic position to make a genuine attempt.

The most concerning one for me though was the port adelaide HTB in the first qtr that led to the 50m penalty and goal. He had no prior, and got a kick away as quick as what the circumstance would allow but got pinged. Absolute awful decision.

The weird thing is people seemed so happy about this change but i saw this happening a mile away. If anyone says those decisions were good and less confusing they are lying to themselves. Not only is the change shithouse, it's also too big of a change to make mid-season, it's completely changed the look of the game you can't be doing that half way through a season, what an absolute mare from the AFL.

Looking at last night it's pretty clear the no prior side of it should be reverted back to the way it was. Its the ones with prior that people have an issue with and should be subject to stricter htb calls with the quicker whistle.

 

[ibd77]

Seems your 40k rule is still in full effect. It's an interesting stat.
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Here is a list of things that scares Ken the most...

Prime time football is scary.
Big crowds are scary.
Playing a contending team is scary.
Showdowns are scary.
Night time games is scary.
Finals are scary.
Winning is scary.

The things that Ken does not find scary...

Post game losses.
Media conferences.
Bingo (of a press conference kind).
Contract renewals .

 

[Jakksynn]

Seems your 40k rule is still in full effect. It's an interesting stat.
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Yeah I noticed that. Definitely a pattern now

 

[T2B_]

Here is a list of things that scares Ken the most...

Prime time football is scary.
Big crowds are scary.
Playing a contending team is scary.
Showdowns are scary.
Night time games is scary.
Finals are scary.
Winning is scary.

The things that Ken does not find scary...

Post game losses.
Media conferences.
Bingo (of a press conference kind).
Contract renewals .

He's an interesting cat, Ken. Was pretty much laughing it up with Voss at the end on the boundary.

He must feel he has some job security the way he acts.

 

[jakson68]

Good game of football.
The difference in the two teams was there for all to see in the last qtr.
Cripps and co went nuts and Port lacked the talent to have any answers.

One fan base know their team is on the rise, the other however overrate their team in a massive way.
Port supporters should not be disappointed, as they are consistently higher on the ladder than where they should be.

They have shown they are a bottom of the eight team at best but are usually up around the top four.

Well done Carlton, you did what you needed to do in the last qtr, when it was time to stand up.
Well done Port, you hung around the mark for the first three qtrs, before it got too much.

Game went as expected really, with little to no surprises.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Yeah I noticed that. Definitely a pattern now

The Blues have shown in the past few seasons that hoodoos are there to be broken.

 

[Coasters7]

It's been the rule for one match, and that match exposed that it's not a great change.

In this:

... you can see that Drew has Walsh's right hand held behind him and Soldo has his left leg raised while Walsh is trapped under his armpit. In this situation, Walsh could not move from the second he took the ball - as he is carrying the weight of Drew and Soldo on him, locking his legs below him while his left arm is pinned - but because the ball was uncovered the umpire paid a HTB free kick despite a legal disposal being impossible.

This sport used to celebrate and protect the person who wanted the ball more. This rule condemns them.

Yeah this one is an interesting one because of the way the legs are wrapped up immediately too. But I get the intention behind it

 

[DamoESP]

Reckon that was the best game Ollie Hollands has played for us. And only a few weeks ago he was on the outer and dropped.

He really needed that week off. The weeks prior to being dropped he had looked off the pace etc. Has been great since his been back.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The odd thing is the umps were focussing on no prior HTB when that wasn't even the change. The change was only meant to be the timing of the whistle. The Walsh one was a shocking decision, as was the Weitering one in the first qtr he also had no prior and was not in a realistic position to make a genuine attempt.

The most concerning one for me though was the port adelaide HTB in the first qtr that led to the 50m penalty and goal. He had no prior, and got a kick away as quick as what the circumstance would allow but got pinged. Absolute awful decision.

The weird thing is people seemed so happy about this change but i saw this happening a mile away. If anyone says those decisions were good and less confusing they are lying to themselves. Not only is the change shithouse, it's also too big of a change to make mid-season, it's completely changed the look of the game you can't be doing that half way through a season, what an absolute mare from the AFL.

Looking at last night it's pretty clear the no prior side of it should be reverted back to the way it was. Its the ones with prior that people have an issue with and should be subject to stricter htb calls with the quicker whistle.

Compare the Weitering and Todd Marshall examples. Exactly the same, two different outcomes.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

I stand corrected.

Tidied that up for you.

 

[bourbons]

Yeah, it was solid. But they rolled a team that is really ordinary.

Nothing more than solid. They simply did what they were expected to do.

wot

Port were $1.66

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

wot

Port were $1.66

Sportsbet must have had the intern on shift last night

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

You wouldn't want to play them in Melbourne that's for sure. Good results in last years Finals and now with that experience under their belt. Double trouble in Curnow-McKay makes them very dangerous.

They can win the Premiership.

 

[Fadge]

Hmmm. Seems I wasn't the only one confused with umpires' 'interpretation' of 'time wasting' last night...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/what-a-load-of-rubbish-afl-fans-fume-at-missed-free-kick-amid-rules-confusion/news-story/bd64ce2d0ee1575203ce7724eec659da

 

[DamoESP]

Hmmm. Seems I wasn't the only one confused with umpires' 'interpretation' of 'time wasting' last night...

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/what-a-load-of-rubbish-afl-fans-fume-at-missed-free-kick-amid-rules-confusion/news-story/bd64ce2d0ee1575203ce7724eec659da

Seems its clarified in the very article you have linked:

The AFL has clarified that it is deemed time wasting if a player does not give the ball directly to an umpire at a stoppage. Players are allowed to throw the ball on the ground, but handing the ball to another player is deemed time wasting.

Carroll threw the ball on the ground, not to another player, hence no free paid

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Is there a fan base more obsessed with Carlton's treatment by the umpires than the Pies? After winning a flag last year they practically spent entire off season squealing about FREEKICKCURNOW!!! Now they're complaining about the lack of time wasting free kicks paid in our games. What a bunch of peanuts

 

[Sinjin Smith]

How is the draft looking this year Plugger35?

Be good for the Saints to get something out of the season.

King will ask for a trade at the end of the year. Lyon's brand of boring defensive footy will kill his career. Saints get a few first rounders to try and replenish an ordinary list.

 

[kreuze_missile]

King will ask for a trade at the end of the year. Lyon's brand of boring defensive footy will kill his career. Saints get a few first rounders to try and replenish an ordinary list.

Ross Lyon doesn't know how to spell rebuild.

He only knows one way - top up for another "no mans land" season.

Millions in cap space and looking for the next Dan Hanneberry to unload it on.

 

[SuperMal]

Port are cooked.

 

[ibd77]

Port are cooked.

Well...Duh!!!

 

[SuperMal]

Well...Duh!!!

Hmm, I must be using good bait…..65 seconds.

 

[Gw2_James]

Selwood’s commentary, prime example of why not to duck for free kicks kids…

What happened? What did he say?

 

[memoryofmchale]

Huge blunder on Collingwood's part to not be able to keep Ollie Henry.

Henry was always walking straight back home. He would have nominated for the draft. How do you propose that Collingwood were supposed to keep him?

Him leaving led to Tom Mitchell coming who then went on to play in a flag.

 

[ibd77]

Hmm, I must be using good bait…..65 seconds.

Captain Obvious wins again!

 

[danster168]

Is there a fan base more obsessed with Carlton's treatment by the umpires than the Pies? After winning a flag last year they practically spent entire off season squealing about FREEKICKCURNOW!!! Now they're complaining about the lack of time wasting free kicks paid in our games. What a bunch of peanuts

I would say that I am. lol. No joke 3 of Carlton's last 4 games against the dees was purely inept umpiring which all started when Petracca kicked the match winner from 50m but the umps took it away to the game this year where Ollie Hollands had 4 hours and 29 minutes running down the wing only to get chased down and he dropped it like a hot potato. Play on. Only followed up by the bs Van Rooyen non goal. So yeah, I'm definitely and unashamedly salty about the quality of the umpiring when playing Carlton. Sam Walsh also got caught about 5 times. None called. So it was good for Sam Walah to at least get called for htb twice last night. Because there's been worse ones not called again Walsh. He literally did a high fend off which didn't work only for the Melbourne tackler to tie him up and the ump calls a ball-up which is simply not knowing the rules or choosing to look the other way for a Carlton A grader. Either way, it seems like it'll be called out more now and about bloody time.