AFL finally getting serious over alternate strips

[Awesome Scotty]

Members who do oppose the alternate jumpers for Coll/Ess/Carl there's a place to sign your name. We need heaps and heaps of names to get a friggin point across to Vlad. It might not work but better to go down fighting!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/noalternatestrip/

 

[Malibu#27]

One has nothing to do with the other. Anyone who knows anything about footy knows the AFL are not going to let carlton go broke regardless of anything else. Carlton wont have to bend over to get help.

They let Fitzroy go broke because it suited their expansion plans ..... never say never when it fits their expansion plans.

 

[Malibu#27]

Carlton changed for a couple of hundred k from m and m's. They will do it for whatever they get to maintain optus without much argument.

So the price of a guernsey change for a day appears to be a couple 100K - how about evey time collingwood play a club that has a guernsey deemed to clash (away) they give that club a couple 100K to wear their away guernsey.

How much is their heritage worth ?

 

[Saintsfan]

If Eddie is completely serious about maintaining the traditional Collingwood strip I say the AFL let them
THey go back to their original design and wear it all the time of course sponsorship logos weren't allowed until 1976 so you'd have to say they would have to drop every bit of sponsorship from their apparel, seems fair. Bet Eddie would rather wear green and pink before he let them take off his sponsorship logos

 

[The Magenius]

Someone is going to look mighty foolish after all this is resolved: the CEO of Channel 9 or the CEO of the AFL. Let's see how strong Fathead Demetriou really is, and let's see how much influence on the competition Ed really has.

Mark it down now, there will be a compromise that makes both parties look like they haven't backed down. Collingwood will design a strip that widens some of the vertical bars (maybe the white ones) and reduces the black bars, but essentially keeping the same strip (maybe with the magpie emblem on the front). The AFL will hail this as winning the battle

Agreed.

 

[The Magenius]

If Eddie is completely serious about maintaining the traditional Collingwood strip I say the AFL let them
THey go back to their original design and wear it all the time of course sponsorship logos weren't allowed until 1976 so you'd have to say they would have to drop every bit of sponsorship from their apparel, seems fair. Bet Eddie would rather wear green and pink before he let them take off his sponsorship logos

So why doesn't he make a new jumper, which the fans buy = more money.

All the top sporting clubs in the world do it, more jumper variations = more sales. Manchester united change their strips every year.

 

[MarkT]

If Eddie is completely serious about maintaining the traditional Collingwood strip I say the AFL let them
THey go back to their original design and wear it all the time of course sponsorship logos weren't allowed until 1976 so you'd have to say they would have to drop every bit of sponsorship from their apparel, seems fair. Bet Eddie would rather wear green and pink before he let them take off his sponsorship logos

I reckon that is a sensational idea. Drop the AFL logo and the commission for selling it on the jumper too. Give us back our jumper and let us market and sell it our way. 1 jumper with no logo's and like the old days we'll own and control it.

This of course has absolutely nothing to do with the clash strip issue or the insistence on black and white stripes but nonetheless I love the concept. Can you please forward it on to AD and tell me how long he laughs at your for?

 

[Joffaboy]

If Eddie is completely serious about maintaining the traditional Collingwood strip I say the AFL let them
THey go back to their original design and wear it all the time of course sponsorship logos weren't allowed until 1976 so you'd have to say they would have to drop every bit of sponsorship from their apparel, seems fair. Bet Eddie would rather wear green and pink before he let them take off his sponsorship logos

Main reason for going to the black back was so the red Emerites logo was more prominent.

Considering the Saints are red white and black, I think Collingwood should be made to have the logo in the colours of the jersey as per Spicers way back when.

No club should be allowed to impinge on anothers traditional colours, isn't that right Ed?

 

[Joffaboy]

So why doesn't he make a new jumper, which the fans buy = more money.

All the top sporting clubs in the world do it, more jumper variations = more sales. Manchester united change their strips every year.

Because, quite simply, they dont need to financially.

They can use the old tradition chestnut because it has no financial implications on the club, unlike trashing the Vic park tradition and moving lock stock and barrel to upclass motor vehicle Centre, which will have a huge financial benefit.

 

[ThatThis]

This may be why.

That doesnt clash....

 

[Awesome Scotty]

bump.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/noalternatestrip/

 

[Eagle87]

That is speculation without evidence. You are saying de deliberately lied to the members? Why? Wouldn’t he just have ignored the issue?

At the AGM Ed clearly stated the alternate strip had been approved personally by AD and got 4 players to model the 4 variations. If he was lying AD certainly didn’t say anything to indicate as much. I doubt it was ever in writing. That’s just not how the world works believe it or not.It is irrelevant. .

I was responding to what you said. If Eddie had gone to a Board meeting to advise that the AFL had approved their alternate strip based solely on a verbal "confirmation" from AD then that affirms my view that he lacks the approach to governance, due dilligence or just plain proper restraint to be a president. This was an important issue to the members and a simple fax/email confirming on AFL letterhead that it was approved is prudent. This is the way the real world operates.

Collingwood have obligations but if the AFL prevent them from playing who has an action for what? The reality the won’t stop Collingwood playing but if they did they could hardly take action for breach of playing obligations. As for Collingwood’s sponsors etc, Ed will cover that and they’ll happy with all the cameras at Sony, Lexus, Emirtates HQ for the duration.

We are arguing at cross purposes. It was my understanding that you were suggesting that Collingwood would play hard ball including (for example) the forefeiture of games and the like. If the Pies did that, they would have issues with a range of people. I agree that if Collingwood are passive recipients of AFL punishment then the issues are likely with the AFL.

However, it is worth noting that Essendon have conceded that this requirement arises under the new AFL Licensing Agreement which overrides their club constitution - these powers were ceded to the AFL by the clubs.

Collingwood would be in breach of their agreement with the AFL and could suffer any number of penalties. Personally, I believe Ed is grandstanding and hoping that noise will disguise the lack of any substance to his argument.

I would assume that as chief of Channel 9 (current broadcaster) he needs to ensure that any conflict of interest in his dealings with the AFL are properly addressed.

Ed will lose this one.... in fact he already has.

 

[ThatThis]

Main reason for going to the black back was so the red Emerites logo was more prominent.

Considering the Saints are red white and black, I think Collingwood should be made to have the logo in the colours of the jersey as per Spicers way back when.

No club should be allowed to impinge on anothers traditional colours, isn't that right Ed?

Exactly. Dont worry Joffa... we wouldnt dare steal your gorgeous yellow number... you can have that all to yourself

 

[Saintsfan]

You're kidding right??

You think that Planet ed can flog the one jumper design, unchanged year after year and earn a pittance of the money that he gets through the sponsorships??



Put your money where your big fat mouth is ed ands drop the logo for the sake of tradition- Never happen, just ask old Lexarse Rose

 

[Eagle87]

Because, quite simply, they dont need to financially.

They can use the old tradition chestnut because it has no financial implications on the club, unlike trashing the Vic park tradition and moving lock stock and barrel to upclass motor vehicle Centre, which will have a huge financial benefit.

Interesting point.

I note in 2005 that while Collingwood remained the richest Melbourne based club they fell further behind West Coast & Adelaide and are just in front of Freo for profitability.

Once Ed's profile presidency ends, I wouldnt be so sure that the Pies wont be in need of all the financial resources they can get.

I agree with your point that the Emirates McDonalds, Lexus Magpies are one of the great traditional powers of the VFL.

 

[mcgarnacle]

just a bit off-topic, but can the mods please explain where the 'freo-carlton guernsey clash thread' from the weekend disappeared to? into big footy oblivion again?

i've commented enough on this in the many other threads on the issue here. the purpose of the match-day strip in team sports is to differentiate the two opposing teams on the field of play. enough said.

now, let's see how well the afl implement and enforce match-day rules.

 

[Mero]

Essendon Clash strip?

Meets all the criteria. Mostly Red, technically Black with Red sash.

 

[FootyGeek]

Collingwood have given into the AFL and will use the following alternate jumper.

 

[CONS_SS]

Collingwood should be honured to play in this great competition.

If they don't want to use a clash strip, then why don't they play in the VFL

Because their jumper would clash with North Ballarat

 

[raikkonen]

Its about time that the AFL got tough on this issue. Fair enough Ed cares about tradition, but look over in Europe at some of the biggest soccer clubs in the world...Man Utd have an away/clash strip that is not red. Liverpool also has one, that is not red. If these clubs known at all corners of the globe can change their shirts, then surely some club from Victoria, Australia can change theirs also? Or are they above everyone else? Ed's just worried that the new jumper wouldnt sell.....I mean dole money wouldnt be able to cover two AFL jumpers per season? They already have to pay to get in, and to bail out their colleagues each and every week from jail, not to mention the dentist bill many of them would have........

 

[rodogs]

 

[MarkT]

I was responding to what you said. If Eddie had gone to a Board meeting to advise that the AFL had approved their alternate strip based solely on a verbal "confirmation" from AD then that affirms my view that he lacks the approach to governance, due dilligence or just plain proper restraint to be a president. This was an important issue to the members and a simple fax/email confirming on AFL letterhead that it was approved is prudent. This is the way the real world operates.

He can’t make AD put something in writing but he can report what he has been told and that’s all he did.

We are arguing at cross purposes. It was my understanding that you were suggesting that Collingwood would play hard ball including (for example) the forefeiture of games and the like. If the Pies did that, they would have issues with a range of people. I agree that if Collingwood are passive recipients of AFL punishment then the issues are likely with the AFL.

I am suggesting I WANT Collingwood to play hard ball. I don’t know what they WILL do. If they don’t do what I think is best for Collingwood (in my view) I will take it up with the club one way or another. In my view we should call the AFL’s bluff. If we are penalised we should fight the penalties what ever way we can no matter what the consequences to the AFL since it is the AFL that brought it on. They have a lot to lose.

However, it is worth noting that Essendon have conceded that this requirement arises under the new AFL Licensing Agreement which overrides their club constitution - these powers were ceded to the AFL by the clubs.

That is terminology. The AFL can’t over ride a constitution. What I suspect they mean is that the constitution is not a defence against AFL rules. That does not mean they can overturn their constitution other than by whatever means the constitution contains as a mechanism to do that.

 

[MarkT]

Put your money where your big fat mouth is ed ands drop the logo for the sake of tradition- Never happen, just ask old Lexarse Rose

Look, can we please leave Bob Rose out of this. It is no more than an attempt to sully his name by you to make a smartarse point. I will refrain from trashing the memory of Trevor Barker or any other dead Saint. If you want to score points do it with a bit more class.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Essendon Clash strip?

Meets all the criteria. Mostly Red, technically Black with Red sash.

that clashes more with melbourne than the thinner sash.

i'll tell you what the problem is here, the australian football community doesn't have any 'common sense' on how to deal with the issue. just like other things such as banking, europeans know how to not over-complicate the issue.

the afl have to implement match-day rules on playing strips:
1. Abolish the coloured-home/white-away shorts rule. it was a vfl band-aid fix in 1924 when clubs didn't have access to apparel sponsorship deals as they do now.
2. All clubs submit one home match-day playing strip to the AFL (including change shorts/socks if required).
3. All clubs submit one alternate (away) playing strip to the AFL which is in contrast to the home match-day strip.
4. All clubs must endeavour to wear their nominated home match-day strip in all matches.
5. If in the opinion of the AFL, if the two strips of match-day clubs are the same, or similar in appearance, the designated away team must wear its change shorts/socks to the home strip (if similarity is confined to these) or its away strip on match-day.

how can that be so hard.

 

[Saintsfan]

Look, can we please leave Bob Rose out of this. It is no more than an attempt to sully his name by you to make a smartarse point. I will refrain from trashing the memory of Trevor Barker or any other dead Saint. If you want to score points do it with a bit more class.

My point exactly is that ed put the sponsor before the man, tradition, heart of the club.

Tradition means crap when compared to the might of eddies corporate hunger. No smartarse point simple fact, lexarse rose might have played for the club, and supported it with his heart and soul, not as important as a few dollars from this years sponsor though is it?