Review AFL NAB Challenge 1 autopsy - Gold Coast defeats Geelong by 8 points

[Teriyakicat]

If I could be bothered I'd go to the BOM and demonstrate how it's not a material factor.

I'll just leave it at saying I don't think it is.

What would the BOM show? That the average maximum temp on the Gold Coast is about 10 degrees higher than Geelong?
I know I'd feel the difference - without trying to play a game of footy up there!

 

[Teriyakicat]

Where as Gold Coast got to play in nice dry mild conditions, hey Bobby?

I think you've deliberately evaded Bobby's point, CE.

 

[catempire]

They'd be much more accustomed to it after the summer we've had up here and training in those type of conditions day in and day out. The same as a wet, cold day at Kardinia park would probably advantage us.

Ah, stuff it... to the BOM I go...

January relative humidity:

Townsville - 65-71%
Gold Coast - 63-69%
Geelong - 61-72%

January mean max temps 2015:

Townsville - 32.6
Gold Coast - 29.7
Geelong - 25.1

IT WASN'T THE DECIDING FACTOR IN THE GAME YESTERDAY. ANY ADVANTAGE GOLD COAST PLAYERS HAD WAS MARGINAL AT BEST.

 

[catempire]

What would the BOM show? That the average maximum temp on the Gold Coast is about 10 degrees higher than Geelong?
I know I'd feel the difference - without trying to play a game of footy up there!

4.6 degrees in January, for the record.

I think you've deliberately evaded Bobby's point, CE.

Really? That would be because it was irrelevant. Follow the conversation back TC.

 

[thegerman]

No improvement in lack of ruck dominance - check
No improvement at centre clearances or at stoppages - check

Sky is falling.....run for the hills.

 

[thegerman]

even Nicholls, their young Fijian ruckman looks like an absolute beauty. Most clubs would be happy to push him into their line-ups.

Yep, he is a gun, if it wasn't for his injury he'd be nearly half the league's starting ruck.

 

[catempire]

What's up your ass catempire?
Are you really that pissed off after a meaningless practice game?

Your are the poster of the year, it's about time you start posting like it

Haha. Like that line!

For the record, the result was absolutely meaningless to me (unlike many it seems). I just don't like pinning the blame on the weather. It's a cop-out.

 

[catempire]

and yes, for the record cat, I did send you a personal message to apologize as I felt I stepped over the line when we were having a disagreement over opinions.
As it turns out, you clearly said to me I had no need to apologize as I did not say anything untoward. But hey' that's just my nature, can't blame me for having a heart

It's a good trait to have.

 

[Teriyakicat]

4.6 degrees in January, for the record.


Really? That would be because it was irrelevant. Follow the conversation back TC.

Yeah I got what you were saying about both teams playing in the same conditions yesterday- fair enough - but Bobby's point was that the GC train in those conditions day in, day out- not that the teams played in different conditions on the day. Which is why I said you deliberately missed his point.
Why did you compare Jan temps and not Feb?
Geelong ave max 2015: 22.7
GC average max: 28.4
5.7 degrees difference. Still quite noticeable.
But I exaggerated a little, ok? 10 degrees is just one step further...

 

[catempire]

Yeah I got what you were saying about both teams playing in the same conditions yesterday- fair enough - but Bobby's point was that the GC train in those conditions day in, day out- not that the teams played in different conditions on the day. Which is why I said you deliberately missed his point.

Sorry, I didn't miss his point at all. I deliberately did not respond to it as is my usual practice when someone resorts to name calling rather than playing the ball.

Why did you compare Jan temps and not Feb?
Geelong ave max 2015: 22.7
GC average max: 28.4
5.7 degrees difference. Still quite noticeable.
But I exaggerated a little, ok? 10 degrees is just one step further...

No reason in particular. The point remains that Geelong trains all through summer in conditions similar to yesterday's. The overall point remains that it was not the deciding factor yesterday's match. That will be my final word on it as I can't add anything else.

Oh, by the way, the oppressive humidity in Townsville was 54%.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Sorry, I didn't miss his point at all. I deliberately did not respond to it as is my usual practice when someone resorts to name calling rather than playing the ball.


No reason in particular. The point remains that Geelong trains all through summer in conditions similar to yesterday's. The overall point remains that it was not the deciding factor yesterday's match. That will be my final word on it as I can't add anything else.

Oh, by the way, the oppressive humidity in Townsville was 54%.

It was pre the name calling that I referred to but I agree that the conditions are not an excuse and not the deciding factor- definitely. Just a contributing factor IMO.

As a stats man I'm sure you will be interested in these:

Geelong turnovers: 65- including 32 in defensive half. GC kicked 0.10 (10 points) from turnovers.
GC turnovers: 51- including 11 times in defence, from which Geelong kicked 1.3.3 (30 points)

Do you think that GC were slack or more wayward with their kicking or do you think the Cats forced errors with their pressure in defence at those times?

I think there'd be a lot more doom and gloom here if the GC had kicked, say, 5 more goals from turnovers.

 

[Lana]

It was pre the name calling that I referred to but I agree that the conditions are not an excuse and not the deciding factor- definitely. Just a contributing factor IMO.

As a stats man I'm sure you will be interested in these:

Geelong turnovers: 65- including 32 in defensive half. GC kicked 0.10 (10 points) from turnovers.
GC turnovers: 51- including 11 times in defence, from which Geelong kicked 1.3.3 (30 points)

Do you think that GC were slack or more wayward with their kicking or do you think the Cats forced errors with their pressure in defence at those times?

I think there'd be a lot more doom and gloom here if the GC had kicked, say, 5 more goals from turnovers.

That stat is a little depressing... beaten in scores from clearances and should have been beaten in scores from turnovers. Lucky its just NAB1

 

[Willo_]

Let's be honest they are professional bloody sportsmen... blaming humidity for poor skills shouldn't really fly.. maybe early but they should be able to adjust pretty quickly anyway.

I don't think it attributed to the result in any way thats for sure

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

For the record, the result was absolutely meaningless to me (unlike many it seems).

That's a nice how-do-you-do to all the people who voted for you.

 

[DanA]

Some positives and a few negatives:

Negatives:
- Ball use: hopefully it was just early cobwebs. We are a team that has prided itself on being skillful these past few years
- Ruck Division: Lucey shouldn't play, Simpson was soundly beaten
- Clearances: No signs of improvement, looks like we'll again be reliant on a fit S.J and Selwood.

Positives:
- Hawkins: Still has the power but looks fitter and quicker
- Lang looks an AFL player; bigger and as always used the ball well
- Bartel looks in better nick this pre-season
- Motlop will be a match winner at times and should improve from last season


We look like we've marginally improved and should have a bit more depth this season but the ruck/clearance issues are holding me back from thinking we can again finish top four. It's a major issue IMO.

 

[Spemonie]

I'm a bit disappointed in some of the comments on Smedts. I think he did ok actually. Wasn't flashy like some other players but he was solid for a NAB cup game in the backline. The talk was their. His body positioning in contests looked better and the repeat efforts. Smedts did the little things right rather than trying to be flashy imo. Give the guy a break!

Lang was the player that impressed me the most
Murdoch disappointed me the most

 

[TheJimmyCartel]

Ah, stuff it... to the BOM I go...

January relative humidity:

Townsville - 65-71%
Gold Coast - 63-69%
Geelong - 61-72%

January mean max temps 2015:

Townsville - 32.6
Gold Coast - 29.7
Geelong - 25.1

IT WASN'T THE DECIDING FACTOR IN THE GAME YESTERDAY. ANY ADVANTAGE GOLD COAST PLAYERS HAD WAS MARGINAL AT BEST.

Geez, CE settle down. I don't disagree with much you say and was far from saying it was the deciding factor in the game merely that the GC would be slightly more accustomed to the hot, greasy conditions, especially after the very wet, cyclonic conditions we've had lately. Regardless of the BoM humidity stats, as someone who spends a LOT of time between the GC and Melbourne, I can guarantee you it's entirely different type of heat and am pretty sure the players would agree.

 

[Jeff76]

I thought Gregson was the best of the new boys, gonna be confusing if him and McCarthy ever play together.

 

[Cyclone Larry]

Fist hit out of the year, was good to see most of the draftee's getting a run. Cockatoo's endeavor was encouraging, just needed to be a bit cleaner with his fist possession but you could say that for most of the players yesterday.
Most who watched any VFL last year wouldnt have been too surprised about Lang's game, he will be handy.
Rucks need to improve and execution out of defense was a bit crap.
Looking forward to seeing progression from the younger crew in the crows game.

 

[catempire]

That's a nice how-do-you-do to all the people who voted for you.

Really? Each to their own. It's just my view.

 

[catempire]

Geez, CE settle down. I don't disagree with much you say and was far from saying it was the deciding factor in the game merely that the GC would be slightly more accustomed to the hot, greasy conditions, especially after the very wet, cyclonic conditions we've had lately. Regardless of the BoM humidity stats, as someone who spends a LOT of time between the GC and Melbourne, I can guarantee you it's entirely different type of heat and am pretty sure the players would agree.

Don't fear for me Scott, if you could see me you'd appreciate I'm very settled.

I've said my last word on the matter. Let's leave it there.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Really liked seeiing the new kids on the block Gregson reminded me of linc trys hards and should get better.
Lang used the ball well and should get heaps of games.
Our ruckmen were poo again and really a issue might have most of the year,But hopfully not.
Hope Mitch and Tommy duo works out they could be good together.

 

[Saint]

Having played in Cairns, there is a massive difference in handling and flight in humid conditions than the dry heat of Victoria.

It's the reason I've won plenty of cash betting on GC in Cairns matches. And won money again yesterday betting on GC. Have a look at any of the AFL matches played in Cairns (or Darwin) and you'll see the same kicking and handling errors.

Getting used to it takes a bit of time as well. The temp difference might not be much between GC and Geelong during the pre-season but it's a big difference in humidity and the way the heat is conveyed into the body. (More humidity = faster heating). If you want to try a little experiment, stick two cans of beer in the freezer, one wrapped in a wet tea towel, the other dry and see what the temperature difference is after 10 minutes.

Now drink the beers and look forward to next week of hokey matches.

 

[TheJimmyCartel]

Don't fear for me Scott, if you could see me you'd appreciate I'm very settled.

I've said my last word on the matter. Let's leave it there.

Whats with the attitude lately? You seem uncharacteristically snappier than in the past.

 

[catempire]

Whats with the attitude lately? You seem uncharacteristically snappier than in the past.

I don't think I am Scott. Maybe you just caught a couple of bristling moments.