AFL Round 9 St Kilda V Brisbane Lions Official Thread

[Footballator]

Just got to drop TJ now and let the team know that effort counts, not reputations. That would be a good positive from the coaching staff and put a little emphasis on what the players are required to do to get a game. I think it will make Johnstone have a good look at himself and bounce back a whole world better. Potential is one thing but recognition is another.
I think the selections were smart and every inclusion played above what I expected. Riska should maybe go back for a game or two too. We need to stick with form.

 

[Warwick]

We got killed out of the centre today and we needed to be smarter at the contests.

How many times did King or Gardiner tap it straight into Dal Santo's lap? Yet we played behind him all day.

Clark and Brennan were fantastic all day and gave a contest, but we have to play in front at the ball-ups or we will get murdered.

 

[Lionfan17]

Just watching the replay now, god the Saints are arrogant tossbags. Hitting our players when they tackled us, complaining to the umpires, but all of a sudden when they get infront there nice to us. Childish if you ask me..

 

[lions_den]

Just got to drop TJ now and let the team know that effort counts, not reputations. That would be a good positive from the coaching staff and put a little emphasis on what the players are required to do to get a game. I think it will make Johnstone have a good look at himself and bounce back a whole world better. Potential is one thing but recognition is another.
I think the selections were smart and every inclusion played above what I expected. Riska should maybe go back for a game or two too. We need to stick with form.

Can't drop TJ. Had a great game the week before and always takes a tagger.

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

If it's any solace TBD I'm quite happy to punch out a few negative points to draw some heat and I'll gladly take it. There's too much "don't have a go after such a manful performance" crap going on here from those that just don't want to feel any hurt after the loss.

a) Yes. It was a painful loss and one we fought like mongrels to the end to win. Cannot fault the team for the cumulative effort in keeping their head up & taking on a quality side that came hard at them all day.

b) MacDonald was shite. Despite those that are trying to offer up excuses for him, the fact his disposal was ordinary at best cannot be ignored. It cost us a few goals in a game that we only lost by a small margin. As I said earlier, being outmarked by Kosi isn't a surprise, but to play premiership footy we can't excuse hack kicking out of defensive 50. Rebound goals are killers and they, all to often, come against JMac. He was never a gun as such and has punched above his weight on occasion, but I think moving on to a younger player with more upside to their development would be prudent. JMac is good, cheap backup for an injured Drummond when needed.

c) Harding wasn't at his worst. He's just frustrating as hell to anyone that's seen him play at AFLQ level. Watching him run down as he bounced almost cost me a new tele. He really needs to work with someone on his mentality going into games. If Harding could lose the nerves he really would be fantastic at AFL level.

d) The commentators were right about one thing. 10 minutes of defensive footy cost us. When we needed to keep attacking we tried to slow the game and play possession as we thought a 9 point lead could win it for us. That's where our inexperience really bit us in the arse. Could see the momentum fading away from us and anyone that was surprised at the end really shouldn't have been.

e) TJ needs a flogging at training this week. He should be told, one more game of that standard and his spot will be given to someone that's willing to play for it.

f) Poor old Riska. I said a week or so ago the comments Lethal once made about him being future AA material seem to have put a moz on him. God knows what we do with him. Trade to Freo for pick #2 I reckon

g) Roe is a spud. Certainly wouldn't have brought him in. Possum has been average at AFLQ level but offers experience we lost a good whack of. Sensible call to add him, thinking he might respond to being elevated to the real stuff. Good to see what Cornelius can do though. Good game to find a kid out. Hendo should definitely get the callup next week. Give Possum his 200th and if he's ordinary, it's been a good career and he's reached the milestone.

I'll stop now. Great effort and fantastic to have a 100+ %age after facing the other 'impossible to score against, high scoring' side. So sad to see a potential win slide away like that though. Positives and negatives. But it's eliminating the negatives and building on the positives that creates a better team. To those that won't hear the negative, suck it up. Going through the analysis of that and coming out the other end having learned it's lessons and done something about them is what will make us a premiership side once again. The best thing to come out of today. We're closer than many think, and it's some of the real young kids that give the most hope.

 

[beatnik]

Man, I copped so much shit last year on here for being too positive, now I'm copping it for the other way.

...and I was just about to have a go at you for being so fickle!

 

[Hollow Knight]

Its agonising how susceptable TJ is to the hard tag. Clearly nothing can be done about it though, Melbourne tried for years.

His best performances are matchwinners, his worst performances, he is a ghost.

You just have to pray that good TJ shows up. Not sure that dropping him will ever change anything.

 

[BigCat2]

Good post there.

Cornelius looks he's nicely suited to that 3rd tall role. Should keep his spot anyway next week.

Harding had a couple of nice plays, but geez most of it is hair-tearing stuff. The sudden loss of foot skills and composure when he gets into the senior side is amazing. Maybe we need to trick his mind that he's really just playing in the QAFL and he'll give us a 35 possession, 5 goal game. Still, what to do with him? It's not a case of giving him a spell in the two's to "play him into form" - we know he'll dominate. Stick with him until he comes good? Maybe we're thinking for someone with so much obvious upside, you want to make sure he's given every chance to succeed before casting him aside?

Notting's done minimal again. For youngsters Vossy would give a couple games for them to find their feet, but Notting shouldn't/doesn't need that buffer. Give him a game next week - it'd be harsh to drop him now. Almost akin to Atherton declaring on Graeme Hick.

Henderson's got to come in next week. North will have McIntosh, Hale, Petrie and maybe Goldstein as well.

Any idea what injury Proud had that forced his withdrawal?

 

[Lionfan17]

Now for North Melbourne.

INS
Hooper (Surely he's ready?)
Dalziell (Says he's ready)
Selwood
OUTS
Harding

 

[teecee]

And if you try to paint me as a negative poster, I'll also respond when required. Because you are dead wrong.

I'm going to take a punt here and say that I attend more reserves games than you. I have been dismayed at the continual inrreconcilable gulf between Harding's reserves form and his senior form.

It is incredibly frustrating, and thus it resulted in my comments today. If you think the coaching staff is going to walk away going "good effort today by most of the group, lets just pretend no one played poorly" I'd hope you are dead wrong.

yes of course you attend more reserves games than me, i wish i could and i suppose i cant pass judgement on his form from that but i think he can make it in the firsts if he is not dropped so quickly at times. look i was just as frustrated as you to-day and of course no one is happy with a "good effort" but we all thought within 50 points would be good, so you have to be happy with the effort with the cattle we had

 

[Lionfan17]

God Drummond is a superstar.

 

[Axcellence]

Hi guys... just wanted to say great game from the lions. Well played.

I wasn't overly impressed by bombers but Brisbane are a real contender. I didn't see the whole game, but losing Bradshaw to the blood rule meant Riewoldt got free and got involved in 2 goals.

Best of luck for rest of H&A season.

 

[BigCat2]

Geez if only McGrath can play like that more often.

Think Leuey and Clark will be a great ruck combo. We can keep both on the field at the same time, and we won't lose any run. Often a resting ruckman goes forward and is able to contribute by being bigger than the defender - Clark's "resting" position is actually a strength of his.

Mouth watering stuff.

 

[notting18]

Its agonising how susceptable TJ is to the hard tag. Clearly nothing can be done about it though, Melbourne tried for years.

His best performances are matchwinners, his worst performances, he is a ghost.

You just have to pray that good TJ shows up. Not sure that dropping him will ever change anything.

We now know what TJ does. Goes missing or minimal impact with a good tag, plays a destroying game every month if not more often. I think you accept that and either do two things - consider his down games too much of a hinderance for him to be playing each week or consider his best games so important for us winning games and his bad games able to be carried by the rest of the side. If you are in the first camp you drop him AND sack him - he wont change significantly after 11 years of AFL or if in the second camp you keep in the 22. I am in the latter camp.

 

[lions_den]

We now know what TJ does. Goes missing or minimal impact with a good tag, plays a destroying game every month if not more often. I think you accept that and either do two things - consider his down games too much of a hinderance for him to be playing each week or consider his best games so important for us winning games and his bad games able to be carried by the rest of the side. If you are in the first camp you drop him AND sack him - he wont change significantly after 11 years of AFL or if in the second camp you keep in the 22. I am in the latter camp.

Even in his worst games he takes the opposition teams best tagger (mostly). Without him in the side that would go to Black or Power.

 

[Lehmo87]

It was hard to swallow that one. I know even after losing today there's plenty to take away from the game but, my word, we need to eliminate these brain fades. Power has had a few basic errors of late and that's getting on my nerve.

Cornelius was great with those two goals but when he was down back he got lost a couple of times. I remember one situation where his opponent (Kosi, I think?) went flying into the pack for the mark but he stood flat footed observing the mark. In saying that, I think it's worth playing him again next week - he showed glimpses that he has something to offer with the footy. Hendo needs to be added to the team. No height cost us badly - I know Cornelius helped down forward but we lost a lot of power by being forced to use him as a defender.

It's amazing what our midfield can do when they spread and create plays by playing-on. With a team with, let's face it, an ordinary skill level, you need to be able to move the ball quickly to get results against such a good side. I could sense the tide turning when we chipped the ball around in that last quarter - particularly in defense. Simon Black is a star. God, I love that man.

Up forward Sherman, once again, played a good role in scoring a couple of goals. It was good to see that we put a competitive score on the board considering we were playing a team that's like a boa constrictor when it comes to considing goals. We had seven goal scorers - while that's not a lot we still beat St Kilda's 5.

 

[maroon and blue]

Came away from the game today feeling happy, even though we lost. Not at any time did the players give in, right up to the final siren. A very consistent effort. Initially Cornelius looked all at see but came good with two valuable goals. The future looks very promising.

 

[Lehmo87]

Even in his worst games he takes the opposition teams best tagger (mostly). Without him in the side that would go to Black or Power.

Voss, after the Geelong game, said that if a player does not contribute by kicking goals or getting a lot of possessions he can still contribute by doing small things that can turn a game. TJ did squat today. Yes, he takes a tag but he still needs to do the 1%'ers, which he doesn't do when his brain is elsewhere.

I'd still play him, though.

 

[lions_den]

Just read afl.com.au's report on the game. Not one mention of Drummond, wasn't even mentioned in our best, even Sherman and Stiller were

 

[Lionfan17]

Just read afl.com.au's report on the game. Not one mention of Drummond, wasn't even mentioned in our best, even Sherman and Stiller were

Your right
Brisbane Lions: Brennan, Black, Stiller, Power, Clarke, Sherman, Bradshaw

Wow, thats a bit weird, Drummo was definitely one of our best.

 

[sblack]

yes of course you attend more reserves games than me, i wish i could and i suppose i cant pass judgement on his form from that but i think he can make it in the firsts if he is not dropped so quickly at times. look i was just as frustrated as you to-day and of course no one is happy with a "good effort" but we all thought within 50 points would be good, so you have to be happy with the effort with the cattle we had

Since when does today have a hyphen

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

Since when does today have a hyphen

LoL. Was wondering how long that would take.

 

[John]

b) MacDonald was shite. Despite those that are trying to offer up excuses for him, the fact his disposal was ordinary at best cannot be ignored. It cost us a few goals in a game that we only lost by a small margin. As I said earlier, being outmarked by Kosi isn't a surprise, but to play premiership footy we can't excuse hack kicking out of defensive 50. Rebound goals are killers and they, all to often, come against JMac. He was never a gun as such and has punched above his weight on occasion, but I think moving on to a younger player with more upside to their development would be prudent. JMac is good, cheap backup for an injured Drummond when needed.

I do not agree with your summation of his game today at all. He made a couple of delivery errors early and was beaten overhead by bigger players while having to play out of his normal position. Do you honestly think he is going to compete against the bigger and stronger FF's and CHF's? To me
he got himself into some good space today had very little to do with the ball rebounding back. If you want to single out a mistake by a player look at Lukes very poor handball when the game was in tha balance. I have not looked up Jmacs possession count yet but it must touch 30 and I bet his clangers count was at the most 2 or 3 and all early. I will be giving him a point or two when I vote.

 

[sblack]

Just read afl.com.au's report on the game. Not one mention of Drummond, wasn't even mentioned in our best, even Sherman and Stiller were

That's why you never listen to AFL.com.au.

 

[sblack]

LoL. Was wondering how long that would take.

Thought someone would of picked it up the first time...but when it came out a second time, I had to step in.