AFL seeks compensation for World Cup disruption

[mantis]

The AFL should refuse to agree to this loss of the MCG and other major stadiums for so long. FIFA should pull their head in and allow OUR game to be played up and till a couple of weeks of the event, if they don't let it played in another country.

They should let us play out our season & then hold their games. Our game comes first, soccer second.

 

[sgbn77]

They should let us play out our season & then hold their games. Our game comes first, soccer second.

Its a once off...and hosting a World Cup would be absolutely massive.

Agree to disagree on your points above.

 

[blueblooded]

They should let us play out our season & then hold their games. Our game comes first, soccer second.

Maybe in your insular little head, go and tell the Government that and they'll cut the funding, go and tell FIFA that and they'll say you and your little backwater country can go and get stuffed and hand the biggest sporting event in the world, with its flow on effects to every part of the economy, to the US who'll happily make all the necessary moves to make sure the event is a roaring success! Then the government will cut even more of the funding and the AFL will look like the biggest bunch of nuffies to ever exist...a bigger nuffie than yourself!

 

[McCrann]

My underlying point is that the AFL administration, being who they are, will demand an arm and leg and then some as compensation. I agree that only cooperation from all sides will work however I can see the AFL attempting to block any proposed resolution unless it strongly compensates them for the loss of 5-10 weeks.

And please don't suggest soccer is a rival code. It isn't. It's played in summer to coincide with the seasons in the northern hemispheres. It's not a risk to our sport, it's too different.

What?

Well why do they want to shut down the AFL/NRL/Super XY and kick them off their grounds for 2 months! Crazy

How does that not make Soccer a rival code? You are deluded my friend.

 

[mantis]

Maybe in your insular little head, go and tell the Government that and they'll cut the funding, go and tell FIFA that and they'll say you and your little backwater country can go and get stuffed and hand the biggest sporting event in the world, with its flow on effects to every part of the economy, to the US who'll happily make all the necessary moves to make sure the event is a roaring success! Then the government will cut even more of the funding and the AFL will look like the biggest bunch of nuffies to ever exist...a bigger nuffie than yourself!

Good.

 

[Beaussie]

Then the government will cut even more of the funding and the AFL will look like the biggest bunch of nuffies to ever exist...a bigger nuffie than yourself!

If there is any truth in the following article from the Roar, the AFL gets very little funding from the government as is.

The Football Federation of Australia received $32 million in the federal budget. A further $10 million was given for the development of the Energy Australia Stadium in Newcastle (shared by the NRL and the A-League). In total soccer’s share in the federal budget was $37 million; cricket’s share was $17.5 million; Rugby League’s share was $13 million; AFL’s share was $7.5 million.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2008/05/27/federal-government-should-increase-funds-to-indigenous-afl/

 

[krusden]

Well in that case the AFL season can continue on uninterrupted during the World Cup then.

All fixed.

If the AFL say that they will continue on regardless ( I doubt they will but for arguments sake) then that would scuttle the bid completely due to the fact that the "other major sport in the country" is continuing on.

 

[blueblooded]

Good.

Thats why people like you are Jedis on bigFOOTY and absolute dimwits in real life, obviously never had an education on how economics and politics affect everything in a country and how events such as these boost all the main economic drivers! The government will be really happy with the AFL if they dont bend over on this one....say goodbye to all the funding, Western Sydney and the Gold Coast will flop because the government will cut all the assistance in these markets! Thats the reality, we all love our footy in the southern states but this is bigger than the AFL and the afl KNOWS IT!

 

[McCrann]

Compensation:
TV rights - currently around $170M, maybe close to $300M in 2022.
Memberships - 18X40000 @ $500 by 2022 = $360M
Sponsorship - another $200M


Easily get to $1 billion in monetary compensation for AFL only, then we would require stadium upgrades in GC and new stadiums in Perth, WS and Adelaide etc as a legacy for Australian RULES Football.

At least.

Don't forget - we could have 20 teams by then (New Perth team and Tasmania perhaps)

So it could be more. Also, VFL, SANFL, WAFL, AFLQ etc. could also be disrupted - how much compensation would they need as well?

 

[McCrann]

But the debate is not whether Australia should host the World Cup, the debate is IF we win the bid, where does the AFL stand?

Whether we should host the world cup is a different debate.



The AFL may get some compensation, but if games were scheduled later or earlier in the year, then they will still make their money. There would just be a 10 week break in the middle of the year.


11 games before the WC, 11 games after with a break in between. Atleast injuries would not be a decicive factor that year.



I just don't believe the AFL has the right to throw the whole World Cup bid off. It is just too big a thing and AFL is far too incosequential on the world stage to have a say in the matter.


If AFL were to stop Australia from hosting the World Cup, then I would think The Australian Soccer Federation would sue the pants off the AFL

What?

What the hell has the AFL's standing in the international marketplace got to do with any of this? It is our game, our culture - why should we rollover so Johnny Foreigner can have his way with us?

What a disgusting cultural cringe you have sir.

As for the Australian Soccer Federation suing the AFL!!! HAHA, surely you aren't serious - on what basis? That the AFL stuck to its contractual obligations.

They would be laughed out of court and end up having to pay the AFL's legal fees!

 

[Jeebs]

It's a World Cup. Stadiums are never half empty. Especially in Australia, a popular travelling destination, there will be thousands of fans from every competing nation here, tens of thousands from the bigger ones.

You're right. A first round match between Slovakia and Honduras in Perth, played in a European friendly time slot will never be half empty - it will be 3/4's empty. That's including 5,000 school kids being given a freebie.

 

[mantis]

Thats why people like you are Jedis on bigFOOTY and absolute dimwits in real life, obviously never had an education on how economics and politics affect everything in a country and how events such as these boost all the main economic drivers! The government will be really happy with the AFL if they dont bend over on this one....say goodbye to all the funding, Western Sydney and the Gold Coast will flop because the government will cut all the assistance in these markets! Thats the reality, we all love our footy in the southern states but this is bigger than the AFL and the afl KNOWS IT!

You can't miss what you never had.

No, that's just BS scaremongering.

 

[mickctiger]

Thats why people like you are Jedis on bigFOOTY and absolute dimwits in real life, obviously never had an education on how economics and politics affect everything in a country and how events such as these boost all the main economic drivers!

the NSW Government is still paying off the olympics apparantly

The government will be really happy with the AFL if they dont bend over on this one....say goodbye to all the funding,

what funding, the government puts more money into soccer already

Western Sydney and the Gold Coast will flop because the government will cut all the assistance in these markets!

what they give is minimal

 

[McCrann]

The government is hell bent on trying to get the Cup.

People can say, "Oh if FIFA doesn't like it, they can look elsewhere" are living in a fairy world. 90% of Australians want to see the World Cup here and would not be fussed in the slightest if the domestic competitions were impeded.

If the AFL and NRL kick up a big enough fuss, they'll force the government into passing legislation that legally makes it impossible for the codes to play at the same time as the Cup.

Either way, the AFL and NRL can kick up as much of a stink as they like, it'll happen whether they like it or not.

Where on Earth do you get these figures? I'd imagine many Australians couldn't give two hoots about having the World Cup here - probably a majority.

As for the Government passing legislation to ride roughshod over domestic sports beloved by millions. A might good way to shoot your electoral support in the head. Won't happen.

 

[krusden]

The AFL is the biggest comp in the Southern Hemisphere, not to mention one of the largest comps world wide. The FIFA should show respect

in australia yes, in the southern hemisphere no.

 

[Rasp]

Its funny how the only people on big footy who think the AFL should just let Soccer take over for a couple months are people with a Soccer club supported in their profile

 

[mickctiger]

I just don't believe the AFL has the right to throw the whole World Cup bid off. It is just too big a thing and AFL is far too incosequential on the world stage to have a say in the matter.

as i stated in a previous post, the AFL is the largest comp in the Southern Hemisphere. It is also one of the largest sporting comps. much larger than many of the major soccer comps, so its hardly "inconsequential" that sort of is both wildly ignorant and arogant

 

[mickctiger]

in australia yes, in the southern hemisphere no.

name a comp held in the southern hemisphere thats bigger, super 15 ?

 

[Redb#]

Thats why people like you are Jedis on bigFOOTY and absolute dimwits in real life, obviously never had an education on how economics and politics affect everything in a country and how events such as these boost all the main economic drivers! The government will be really happy with the AFL if they dont bend over on this one....say goodbye to all the funding, Western Sydney and the Gold Coast will flop because the government will cut all the assistance in these markets! Thats the reality, we all love our footy in the southern states but this is bigger than the AFL and the afl KNOWS IT!

says he with Celtic and AC Milan as fave teams. Not that there is anything wrong with that but your leaning is obvious.

This may surprise but there are AFL fans who care more for their club.

Australia will live with or without the World Cup, we have nowhere near the need for social re-engineering as say South Africa and whilst the WC would be great, does it have to be at all cost? I dont think so.

We have many sporting events in this country we are hardly starved of sporting choice. Nor is it in the national interest. it's a nice to have.

 

[DaVe86]

What?

What the hell has the AFL's standing in the international marketplace got to do with any of this? It is our game, our culture - why should we rollover so Johnny Foreigner can have his way with us?

What a disgusting cultural cringe you have sir.

As for the Australian Soccer Federation suing the AFL!!! HAHA, surely you aren't serious - on what basis? That the AFL stuck to its contractual obligations.

They would be laughed out of court and end up having to pay the AFL's legal fees!

I just can't see why for 1 year, and 1 year only...that the AFL should deny Australia from getting the World Cup.

You obviously have no appreciation about how big the World Cup is. It is huge. Some would say as big as the Olympics. Could you imagine that the AFL denied the Sydney 2000 Olympics from happening??? What an outcry there would be.

Look at how much impact the Olympics had for our country. Hosting the World Cup would have a similar bearing.


For a 1 off year, the AFL could not compromise??



Are we worried about competition????

What's wrong with competition???


Competition is the cornerstone of the Australian marketplace. Monopolies lead to inefficiency. AFL has had the monopoly over its fans for so long and as a consequence have had no reason to look after us.

Competition with soccer would lead to the AFL having to consider the fans for a change. Soccer will never compete with AFL in Australia, but it may take some market share. In-turn, the AFL will have to respond by making the game appealing to the fans again. This is something the AFL have not had to ever consider.




I hate soccer, think its a boring and overrated sport. But this aint a battle between the AFL and the A-League Grand Final. It's AFL vs the world. And the AFL just doesn't compete on the world stage like soccer does.




It would be alright anyway as a 1 off. We'd have football throughout the whole year. During the 10 week break we'd witness the biggest sporting event in teh world. Everyone will be into it. We'd have injured players been fresh again. We'd have a cracking finals series.

As a one off, it would work fine....and we'd all be able to say that we saw a World Cup.

 

[Chuq]

How is it inaccurate in Melbourne?

The AFL has two venues the MCG and Etihad:

Lead in - 4 weeks
WC - 4 weeks

= 8 weeks minimum.

Oh sorry, my eyes must be deceiving me, I must have missed the reference to Melbourne in the post I was replying to.

Everyone on here points out that the AFL is our "national" game .. but its just the Melbourne game, when that suits?

AFL may have to make use of Kardinia Park and Princes Park for a few weeks.

Failing that, since the WC is funding a few oval stadiums, the AFL could pay for the rebuild of Swan St Stadium's roof (which has been blamed for Swan St's lack of upgradability), and then the WC won't need Docklands?

 

[blueblooded]

You can't miss what you never had.

No, that's just BS scaremongering.

Dumbest thing i have ever heard on Bigfooty on any topic on any board and there has been a few rippers over the journey!

Thank god people like you are not the decision makers in society otherwise we'd still be stuck in the 1920s!

Move along, Footy is a great sport but when opportunities like these present themselves which will benefit the entire nation in terms of employment and economic growth, move over!!!

On your second point if you think the government hasn't got the power to make the AFL's move into western Sydney and the GC difficult then you are even more delusional than i thought.

 

[DaVe86]

as i stated in a previous post, the AFL is the largest comp in the Southern Hemisphere. It is also one of the largest sporting comps. much larger than many of the major soccer comps, so its hardly "inconsequential" that sort of is both wildly ignorant and arogant

AFL means nothing to other countries in the Southern Hemisphere.


South Africa & other African Countries
Indonesia
New Zealand & other South Pacific countries
Argentina
Bolivia
Chile
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay

Mostly
Brazil
Ecuador

Partly
Colombia




Lol are you telling me AFL is bigger in Brazil than soccer! Just because it is big in Australia doesn't make it the biggest comp in the Southern Hemisphere. Soccer dominates the Southern Hemisphere.

 

[McCrann]

Buddys posts are right. It will be a balancing act for the AFL. If they fight too much, they be unpopular with governments, the stadiums owners and everyone who supports the bid. And that is what it is, we are bidding for the event, FIFA arent going, "lets go to Australia". We are the one demanding, and so, we the one who have to play by the rules.

Also, its only the stadiums which cant be used for 8 weeks. That is there to protect the turf, make make the proper adjustments for the stadium for the cup itself. So, a definite is no G. Did the AFL receive compo for no MCG during the commonwealth games?

I dont think the FFA/FIFA has clarified that the AFL is a big event and has to stop for the cup itself. But the question is, why would they really want to. No Hotels, no real media attention, smaller rural stadiums.

EDIT: i forgot about the 32 training bases that the World Cup teams need to use. That could, potentially take grounds also, depending on what teams are looking for.

First point - The Commonwealth Games were held before the AFL season began! NO CLASH!!

Second thing - The upgraded MCG facilities - a whole new stand - were the bonus the AFL got out of the Commonwealth Games, given a few weeks off the MCG that was no problem - as the AFL could still use all its other grounds! Completely different situations we're talking about here mate.

 

[DaVe86]

First point - The Commonwealth Games were held before the AFL season began! NO CLASH!!

Second thing - The upgraded MCG facilities - a whole new stand - were the bonus the AFL got out of the Commonwealth Games, given a few weeks off the MCG that was no problem - as the AFL could still use all its other grounds! Completely different situations we're talking about here mate.

although there was the 30 thousand less seats available form the few years it was getting renovated