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The entry for NGA is pretty low bar. Only 1 parent of allowed heritage gives eligibility for their kid to enter and there's no minimum years for a player to eligible. It's meant to help disadvantaged kids and those from heritages that are not traditionally exposed to the AFL sport. Not sure about JUH's situation but he joined the program at 15. It sounds like the bulldogs NGA is more hands on than some other NGA programs teams I have heard set up that barely do anything than just to have them on a list.Can you expand on this? For me the issue has always been draft bidding- that if a player is a first round talent they shouldn’t be denied to any club willing to use their first rounder - and I’m also now getting there with father son too.
James Borlase went NGA to Adelaide as he was born in Egypt when his Australian parents were working there as commodity traders.The entry for NGA is pretty low bar. Only 1 parent of allowed heritage gives eligibility for their kid to enter and there's no minimum years for a player to eligible. It's meant to help disadvantaged kids and those from heritages that are not traditionally exposed to the AFL sport. Not sure about JUH's situation but he joined the program at 15. It sounds like the bulldogs NGA is more hands on than some other NGA programs teams I have heard set up that barely do anything than just to have them on a list.
If Roos said that it'd be one of THE dumbest statements ever made in AFL (personally don't think he said it, recon the poster made it up), it's no secret the travel side of it stuffs players longevity, you hear coaches from either side of the coin refer to it regularly.Can you show me this quote he kept repeating? I've read all his books, followed him immensely and never come across this quote. Very curious about it
Happy to support the clean first round idea if its applied to Father Son as well. They should remove priority pick in the first round too. Increase the basket case club's salary cap by some % and give them more list spots to add more talent.The AFL did go on to fix the heck up that led to JUH being eligible
The same needs to be done to the Northern academies (so first round picks can't be matched)
Or even just drop this stupid cap floor that will enable bottom clubs to pay players what they are worth and build proper warchestsHappy to support the clean first round idea if its applied to Father Son as well. They should remove priority pick in the first round too. Increase the basket case club's salary cap by some % and give them more list spots to add more talent.
Not happening. The players would need to agree to it and why would they?Or even just drop this stupid cap floor that will enable bottom clubs to pay players what they are worth and build proper warchests
Just pay the players an overround at the end of the season. If the AFL average is 97% of the salary cap just pay every player a 3% bonus at the end of the year collectively.Not happening. The players would need to agree to it and why would they?
Father-son is the same for everyone. Only a few teams have statewide academies. Heeney, Mills, Walter, Read, Rogers, all for pennies on the dollar.Happy to support the clean first round idea if its applied to Father Son as well. They should remove priority pick in the first round too. Increase the basket case club's salary cap by some % and give them more list spots to add more talent.
Just pay the players an overround at the end of the season. If the AFL average is 97% of the salary cap just pay every player a 3% bonus at the end of the year collectively.
Father-son isn’t available to GC and GWS.Father-son is the same for everyone. Only a few teams have statewide academies. Heeney, Mills, Walter, Read, Rogers, all for pennies on the dollar.
Just pay the players an overround at the end of the season. If the AFL average is 97% of the salary cap just pay every player a 3% bonus at the end of the year collectively.
How is father sound fair?Father-son is the same for everyone. Only a few teams have statewide academies. Heeney, Mills, Walter, Read, Rogers, all for pennies on the dollar.
Father-son is the same for everyone. Only a few teams have statewide academies. Heeney, Mills, Walter, Read, Rogers, all for pennies on the dollar.
"Father-son is the same for everyone." this is just not true. GWS and Gold Coast will not see a father son for years, you can't make up a rule that suits a bunch of older clubs and tie it to a romance angle of son playing for the same club as father. I'm arguing against this rule in spite of my club benefiting recently via Ashcroft, Fletcher as I know this is an unfair rule. St.Kilda haven't seen a good father son in years while Western Bulldogs keep raking it in. Nick Daicos should be playing for a bottom club like North Melbourne, helping them rebuild. Father Son works totally against this just like you're complaining in a one-eyed way against all the academy players that you've posted.
If you are planning to remove academy and make the round 1 pure, you need to remove Father Son too. Don't give me the excuse of what a travesty would be for some son to not play at his 300-game father's club. If he's desperate to come back, he can ask for a trade. Not a father-son example but Horne-Francis left after 1 year and went exactly where he wanted to go. It happens every single year and I cannot believe people are whining against making first round pure.
I 100% agree with you. On the “father” level, what is more important to them? The fact their son gets drafted? Or the fact they are playing for their club?
I like the romance of father-son, but it is rule from a semi-professional league. The afl has evolved and it can be consistently applied. Hence academies, which are even either.
(Side note, JHF added Francis part of his name just prior to his draft. His step father Fabian Francis, played over 100 games for Port Adelaide from 95 to 01, but it was a mixture of SANFL games pre-Port entering and AFL games so didn’t qualified for FS under the SANFL or AFL provisions.
JHF would have been an interesting test case for the AFL if Flash qualified for FS)
Would the AFL have stopped if Daicos ended up at GC? No, Essendon is still a football club after Daniher departed on Free Agency, Hawthorn even traded Kennedy to Sydney.Exactly, I've argued this on multiple tangents previously. Hawks having first dibs on all 4 Hodge kids is crazy to be honest. That's a classic case of draft compromise because of a rule which was created for convenience in the first place to get Barrassi to Melbourne.
What if the player turns out to be a philanderer and has nearly 20-25 kids. Just because of this rule is one club going to get first dibs on all those 25 kids? What if all 25 are first rounders, nah nah it's father son rule, holier than thou, we can't touch it, it is what it is. How ridiculous does that sound.
I just wish that philanderer player was from GWS or GC, I can see all the rose blinkered glasses coming off quickly from father son supporters and everyone wanting to discuss about this "ridiculous father son rule".
The AFL did go on to fix the heck up that led to JUH being eligible
The same needs to be done to the Northern academies (so first round picks can't be matched)
Seriously, how can you be so stupid to say it is equal.Father-son is the same for everyone. Only a few teams have statewide academies. Heeney, Mills, Walter, Read, Rogers, all for pennies on the dollar.
Gary Ablett jr, two Shaw brother, a couple of Clokes, Lachie Hunter, Ayce Cordy, Tom Mitchell, Sean Dempster...there are probably more.Would the AFL have stopped if Daicos ended up at GC? No, Essendon is still a football club after Daniher departed on Free Agency, Hawthorn even traded Kennedy to Sydney.
It does advantage sides that have been around for longer (and probably those that have been more successful for longer) but the biggest issue that that even amongst clubs that have been around for a long time, the tangible outcome has been different even if theoretically the access is equal.Seriously, how can you be so stupid to say it is equal.
It clearly advantages the sides that have been in the comp for longer.
1. It compromises the draft. Especially first round.It does advantage sides that have been around for longer (and probably those that have been more successful for longer) but the biggest issue that that even amongst clubs that have been around for a long time, the tangible outcome has been different even if theoretically the access is equal.
Clearly the benefits to Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs have been far greater in recent seasons than those that have fallen in the lap of any other club.
However, if the AFL can fix the bid matching system to bring the price paid closer to the value of the player acquired, it's not such an issue.
It isnt equal, you are correct but so what? This is the reality of entering a comp where there are existing teams.Seriously, how can you be so stupid to say it is equal.
It clearly advantages the sides that have been in the comp for longer.
Agree, this is why Vic clubs have won 15 flags in 17 years.It isnt equal, you are correct but so what? This is the reality of entering a comp where there are existing teams.
New clubs (mainly the most recent) get handed a mass of draft pics in the early years - was that fair? no but the unfair nature of it was necessary. Lots of things are not equal in AFL and life.
It isnt equal, you are correct but so what? This is the reality of entering a comp where there are existing teams.
New clubs (mainly the most recent) get handed a mass of draft pics in the early years - was that fair? no but the unfair nature of it was necessary. Lots of things are not equal in AFL and life.
Exactly, then why all the whining against Academies. It's one of those inequalities which doesn't work for Vic clubs, as you said there is lot of things not equal in AFL and life. Move on then.It isnt equal, you are correct but so what? This is the reality of entering a comp where there are existing teams.
New clubs (mainly the most recent) get handed a mass of draft pics in the early years - was that fair? no but the unfair nature of it was necessary. Lots of things are not equal in AFL and life.