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[citizen-erased]

Dont forget pick 4. Very good chance there the most talented player on our list and should be given every chance to play early. Like if its drafting Tsatas than probably picking him off half back instead of Hind

Cox is also missing from that original list. Still rather see him a wing for now and pick Reid back

Nic Martin had a great year as a high half forward that gets up and back. Can also hit the scoreboard and is a pretty good user inside 50

Not the worst idea if we get tsatas. Give him the n.daicos intro to afl.

 

[Ants]

Id rather mass over hind. Or tbh just find someone. A lot of red flags this year on him.

I did say Hind is one of the positions that needs upgrading. I think Hind is perfectly fine as a role player if he's your 22nd best player, but preferably he's 23-26. Assuming Mass converts on the promise shown this year, he could be played either end. His goal tally (off VERY limited games) was fantastic, so its hard for now not to list him as a forward. Preferably one of the forwards would push him out, he goes back and pushes Hind out, and we're stronger overall.

We really need some small defender depth though. With Cutler, McDonagh out and Heppell soon, if Mass is playing forward we only really have Lord as any depth. ant555, what do you think of Lloyd Johnston as a late pick?

 

[Ants]

Dont forget pick 4. Very good chance there the most talented player on our list and should be given every chance to play early. Like if its drafting Tsatas than probably picking him off half back instead of Hind

Cox is also missing from that original list. Still rather see him a wing for now and pick Reid back

Nic Martin had a great year as a high half forward that gets up and back. Can also hit the scoreboard and is a pretty good user inside 50

I left out pick #4 as everyone will be adding a player or two via the draft. Obviously #4 positions us to hopefully get a better player than most, but leaving them out kind of allows some of the risks that occur around picks.

The original list didn't have any of our young talls except Bryan, Zerk and Jones. There is a lot of potential upside there, and I agree with Cox playing wing (and rotating forward with Langford/Martin). So there is further upside. I just thought, again, listing it without those guys allows for the fact that some players just won't come on.

If we do assume we're not really aiming for deep finals until at least 2025 (which is why I struck through Shiel), then we do have 2-3 trade/draft periods to fill the holes and/or list balance. I don't think there are too many issues with that group, if we can keep the development going. I mean, in 2025 we might be gloating around having Cox (W), Hobbs, Perkins, Caldwell, Martin (W) through the middle/wings, or opposition fans may be laughing we ever thought they would make it.

 

[Keystone agony]

I left out pick #4 as everyone will be adding a player or two via the draft. Obviously #4 positions us to hopefully get a better player than most, but leaving them out kind of allows some of the risks that occur around picks.

The original list didn't have any of our young talls except Bryan, Zerk and Jones. There is a lot of potential upside there, and I agree with Cox playing wing (and rotating forward with Langford/Martin). So there is further upside. I just thought, again, listing it without those guys allows for the fact that some players just won't come on.

If we do assume we're not really aiming for deep finals until at least 2025 (which is why I struck through Shiel), then we do have 2-3 trade/draft periods to fill the holes and/or list balance. I don't think there are too many issues with that group, if we can keep the development going. I mean, in 2025 we might be gloating around having Cox (W), Hobbs, Perkins, Caldwell, Martin (W) through the middle/wings, or opposition fans may be laughing we ever thought they would make it.

In 2025 id be pretty confident Cox is Key defender 2/3 with Ridley

Im very confident Hobbs is a very good onballer but you expect that from a guy many considered top 10 and 'safe'

Perkins and Reid are the ones for me im a little concerned on. Not saying theyre not going to be very good. You just need your top 8 picks to really become elite to get to the top, can they? Yes. Will they? Not sure. I wouldve liked to have seen more in there 2nd years this year. Hopefully Reids is just interruption. Perkins i thought looked better start of the year than end of year

I do struggle a bit to see how Perkins gets the required onball/CBA time to advance his game.

Zerrett Captain, Parish best clearance/CP player, Shiel and Stringer vital in CBAs. Hobbs ahead and less natural elsewhere. Not to even include Caldwell and possibly pick 4

 

[Ants]

I think Cox will rotate wing/forward or pure forward (in a T Lynch Adelaide role).

I agree there were some worrying signs for Perkins, mostly on production and defensive efforts. But hopefully second year blues.

 

[andleanback]

In 2025 id be pretty confident Cox is Key defender 2/3 with Ridley

Im very confident Hobbs is a very good onballer but you expect that from a guy many considered top 10 and 'safe'

Perkins and Reid are the ones for me im a little concerned on. Not saying theyre not going to be very good. You just need your top 8 picks to really become elite to get to the top, can they? Yes. Will they? Not sure. I wouldve liked to have seen more in there 2nd years this year. Hopefully Reids is just interruption. Perkins i thought looked better start of the year than end of year

I do struggle a bit to see how Perkins gets the required onball/CBA time to advance his game.

Zerrett Captain, Parish best clearance/CP player, Shiel and Stringer vital in CBAs. Hobbs ahead and less natural elsewhere. Not to even include Caldwell and possibly pick 4

How do you struggle to see how Perkins gets more midfield time as his body and game develops… look how many years it took for petracca to get into the midfield.

 

[ant555]

I did say Hind is one of the positions that needs upgrading. I think Hind is perfectly fine as a role player if he's your 22nd best player, but preferably he's 23-26. Assuming Mass converts on the promise shown this year, he could be played either end. His goal tally (off VERY limited games) was fantastic, so its hard for now not to list him as a forward. Preferably one of the forwards would push him out, he goes back and pushes Hind out, and we're stronger overall.

We really need some small defender depth though. With Cutler, McDonagh out and Heppell soon, if Mass is playing forward we only really have Lord as any depth. ant555, what do you think of Lloyd Johnston as a late pick?

Do not know much about him. But yes small / medium defender is another spot we could use some backup as there is not a lot.
Mass has to find a total new level with his defending. Reads the play well but it more of an intercept attacking small defender than an actual defending one.
If one of the KPD takes the next step it could free up Laverde to play on medium forwards and Redman to be more attacking.

 

[Ants]

I’m not convinced Lav on a medium forward would be an upgrade on Kelly.

 

[andleanback]

Well Henry back to geelong, falcons academy strikes again.

 

[Zach Package]

Not too perturbed by missing out on Henry to be honest. He presents a weird structural fit given he can’t function as a small and even though he can clearly mark it he’s not a key plank. If anyone can make that work it’s Geelong though so I expect he flourishes.

It’s the reason he hasn’t been playing a lot at the Pies and why they’ve now decided to go get McStay as a genuine centre half forward who can draw the footy on the lead.

 

[doug85]

Not too perturbed by missing out on Henry to be honest. He presents a weird structural fit given he can’t function as a small and even though he can clearly mark it he’s not a key plank. If anyone can make that work it’s Geelong though so I expect he flourishes.

It’s the reason he hasn’t been playing a lot at the Pies and why they’ve now decided to go get McStay as a genuine centre half forward who can draw the footy on the lead.

I think the reason he isn’t playing is that he’s not doing enough if he doesn’t take the mark and he’s not hitting the packs as hard as he was earlier in the season. I’ve also heard there’s some attitude stuff too

 

[andleanback]

Not too perturbed by missing out on Henry to be honest. He presents a weird structural fit given he can’t function as a small and even though he can clearly mark it he’s not a key plank. If anyone can make that work it’s Geelong though so I expect he flourishes.

It’s the reason he hasn’t been playing a lot at the Pies and why they’ve now decided to go get McStay as a genuine centre half forward who can draw the footy on the lead.

He’s a 3rd or 4th tall option, plays bigger than he is (when he fills out). Reason he’s not playing at collingwood is because their forward line is literally 5 hybrid forwards and none of them have missed games for him to push his way in. He’s a better talent than ginnivan.

 

[TheGrizz]

Not too perturbed by missing out on Henry to be honest. He presents a weird structural fit given he can’t function as a small and even though he can clearly mark it he’s not a key plank. If anyone can make that work it’s Geelong though so I expect he flourishes.

It’s the reason he hasn’t been playing a lot at the Pies and why they’ve now decided to go get McStay as a genuine centre half forward who can draw the footy on the lead.

He basically fits Gary Rohans spot in their forward line perfectly, who is getting on at 32.

If we are smart, we see if we can wedge oursleves into this deal and offer up our pick 22 to be involved to get someone like Cooper Stephens (who will now be stuck behind Knevitt, Bruhn, Parfitt and Holmes for midfield time)
For example

Ess: Cooper Stephens and pick 46 (Geel)
Geel: Ollie Henry
Coll: Pick 22, pick 58 (Ess)
Massage some picks if required.

 

[eth-dog]

He basically fits Gary Rohans spot in their forward line perfectly, who is getting on at 32.

If we are smart, we see if we can wedge oursleves into this deal and offer up our pick 22 to be involved to get someone like Cooper Stephens (who will now be stuck behind Knevitt, Bruhn, Parfitt and Holmes for midfield time)
For example

Ess: Cooper Stephens and pick 46 (Geel)
Geel: Ollie Henry
Coll: Pick 22, pick 58 (Ess)
Massage some picks if required.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't just pick 15-18 straight up, or their F1 straight up.

 

[TheGrizz]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't just pick 15-18 straight up, or their F1 straight up.

They have to get Bruhn done as well, and may not with to give up their first next year in a loaded draft.

Stephens is becoming surplus to requirements with Knevitt and Bruhn and so getting Henry whilst keeping their F1 might be appealing for them.

 

[Ants]

He basically fits Gary Rohans spot in their forward line perfectly, who is getting on at 32.

If we are smart, we see if we can wedge oursleves into this deal and offer up our pick 22 to be involved to get someone like Cooper Stephens (who will now be stuck behind Knevitt, Bruhn, Parfitt and Holmes for midfield time)
For example

Ess: Cooper Stephens and pick 46 (Geel)
Geel: Ollie Henry
Coll: Pick 22, pick 58 (Ess)
Massage some picks if required.

Has Stephens done enough at any level for us to be interested in giving up 22 for him? I was under the impression he hasn’t done much.

 

[TheGrizz]

Has Stephens done enough at any level for us to be interested in giving up 22 for him? I was under the impression he hasn’t done much.

Pick 16 only 3 seasons ago stuck behind a loaded Geelong midfield. I think it's more opportunity than anything.

 

[Ants]

Pick 16 only 3 seasons ago stuck behind a loaded Geelong midfield. I think it's more opportunity than anything.

I was under the impression that he’s not done particularly well at VFL either though.

 

[andleanback]

They have to get Bruhn done as well, and may not with to give up their first next year in a loaded draft.

Stephens is becoming surplus to requirements with Knevitt and Bruhn and so getting Henry whilst keeping their F1 might be appealing for them.

Yep we should be getting in stephens managers ear. Bruhn and knevitt are there, 3 year deal and he’ll play midfield as a bigger body.

 

[andleanback]

I was under the impression that he’s not done particularly well at VFL either though.

He more than held his own at afl level when given game time. Had 19 on debut.

 

[ant555]

I was under the impression that he’s not done particularly well at VFL either though.

He had a solid VFL year. 7 x 20 plus disposal games out of 9 games. Averaged just over 4 tackles a game.

 

[Ants]

He more than held his own at afl level when given game time. Had 19 on debut.

Reimers had 8 goals in a game too.

Looked it up and he played 5 VFL matches this year for 19, 26, 14, 24 and 16 possessions. He’s managed 21 games at both levels across the last two years.

What evidence is there that he is worth our time, let alone pick 22?

Edit: stats & games differ to ant555 ones. Mine sourced here:

- Cooper Stephens

vfl.aflmstats.com

 

[eth-dog]

Reimers had 8 goals in a game too.

Looked it up and he played 5 VFL matches this year for 19, 26, 14, 24 and 16 possessions. He’s managed 21 games at both levels across the last two years.

What evidence is there that he is worth our time, let alone pick 22?

Edit: stats & games differ to ant555 ones. Mine sourced here:

- Cooper Stephens

vfl.aflmstats.com

Wrong Cooper Stephens.

- Cooper Stephens

vfl.aflmstats.com

 

[BrunoV]

Has Stephens done enough at any level for us to be interested in giving up 22 for him? I was under the impression he hasn’t done much.

I'm not enamoured with what I've seen at AFL level.

 

[Jade]

I’d be curious to get 360 feedback on Stocker; find out why it is Carlton felt he didn’t warrant a spot on their list.

On face value, I’d say he’s worth pursuing, assuming we did in fact do the necessary due diligence.