List Mgmt. Aisho Going Elsewhere

[ppoiter]

Leigh Mathews has been so strong in his statements, it will be very difficult to get him to back away from here.

I think our best chance is from pressure behind the scenes-

1. Ox requesting a trade to Bris. As others have said already this will put pressure on Brisbane to get it done. The AFL and the players association wont be pleased if they stop a mutually happy trade of players ( + pick) purely out of spite.

2. Offer a fair exchange. Then lobbying the AFL against giving Brisbane priority picks next season if they're are prepared to knock back 'Fair and Reasonable' trade deals.

It will also depend on how strong Aish is to get to the Pies. If he is not 100% steadfast in his refusal to entertain another club, then I think it's unlikely we will get him.

The Oxley situation did get a bit more intriguing with yesterday's development. If he really does want to go there you'd think Brisbane probably already know about it, which would make their stance on Aish even more weird. Surely they wouldn't be expecting us to deal nicely and ignore the Aish issue (layers of assumption there I know)

 

[eddiebankbalance]

..has Brisbane collapsed into a heap of cow dung yet?

 

[Apex36]

Difference is I'm trying to have a sensible discussion

No you're not. Piss off.

 

[mikey127]

Those so called dud deals netted you some handy players.

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Yes but we lost 4 very goid players. Patty K loojs like it will be a lose lose trade if that makes srnse.

 

[mikey127]

I'll have a discussion with you.

'Sending the message'. I just don't buy it. I can't see how that works.

Some Pies supporters would be tempted to send Freeman to the draft if we only get a 3rd round pick. But it's not sending a message it's just a **** you to the player and the poaching club.

If Bris 'send a message' by putting Aish in the draft. What happens next?

What happens to the other Bris players asking to be traded this year? Surely if you don't send them to the draft the message sent via Aish is seriously diluted and weak.

What happens next season when a player asks for a trade? Are you going to keep sending players to the PSD? Of course Bris won't. It would totally destroy the already seriously struggling club.

If anything, Bris sending Aish to the draft this year will guarantee the next player who requests a trade will get exactly what they want. They will know Bris have made their principled stand previously and wont do it twice.

Firstly thank you for a sensible post.

Yes we do have some issues we need to sort out but you can't tell me all the issues are at our end, Look at Patty K and also plenty of our kids have re-signed. I just think we neex to make a stance. Also if Aish tokd us earlier I and was honest it changes things.

 

[mikey127]

First, I still don't understand how an unwell parent means that he couldn't play for GC in 2015. Whilst that might have been one the factors for Beams going home it clearly wasn't the only one which is demonstrated by the fact he refused to deal with no one other than Brisbane.

Second, we said he was a contracted player and wanted him to stay but eventually did a trade which was in the best interests of both clubs. It was a successful trade because both Brisbane and Pies fans would say they are very happy with it 12 months on. Brisbane have categorically ruled out trading Aish. This is a decision that in the worsts interests of everybody. The most senseless thing about it all is that the only one who loses badly from this is Brisbane - Aish still gets to go to Melbourne and probably gets a big pay rise if Carlton draft him for his nominated fee. It's just staggering how inept Brisbane's handling of this is although I shouldn't be surprised given this is a club that has been in the bottom half of the competition for over a decade and a basket case off the park.

Third, the way Brisbane and in particularly the coach handled themselves in last years trading period was incredibly unprofessional imo. With that kind of leadership I am not surprised that (a) they finished on the bottom of the ladder and (b) are seeing another player exodus in this period.

I have no sympathy for the dire straits that your club is in. It's entirely self inflicted and they deserve every bit of it. There will be no priority picks for you and you can bludge off Collingwood's welfare money for us long as you want but let it be known that any of success your club has in the future will have been funded by the charity of the Collingwood FC

Do you realise his brother plays for us?

 

[DWil6]

Firstly thank you for a sensible post.

Yes we do have some issues we need to sort out but you can't tell me all the issues are at our end, Look at Patty K and also plenty of our kids have re-signed. I just think we neex to make a stance. Also if Aish tokd us earlier I and was honest it changes things.

I guess the problem with taking this stance is it probably turns players off wanting to play there as they know the club are tough to work with if you want to leave. It also makes the club unpopular in the eyes of the AFL, AFLPA and player managers as they are willing to hurt themselves to make a 'point' and then are happy to ask for priority picks after self inflicted injuries due to not being prepared to trade.


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[mikey127]

I guess the problem with taking this stance is it probably turns players off wanting to play there as they know the club are tough to work with if you want to leave. It also makes the club unpopular in the eyes of the AFL, AFLPA and player managers as they are willing to hurt themselves to make a 'point' and then are happy to ask for priority picks after self inflicted injuries due to not being prepared to trade.


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Yes but there are reasons for taking this stance with Aish. Its mot like we do it fir every player. If we get a fair deal on Redden he'lk be traded.

 

[dansa]

Firstly thank you for a sensible post.

Yes we do have some issues we need to sort out but you can't tell me all the issues are at our end, Look at Patty K and also plenty of our kids have re-signed. I just think we neex to make a stance. Also if Aish tokd us earlier I and was honest it changes things.

For sure it's not just Brisbane. Look at the players Collingwood has lost in recent years especially this off season. It's the new AFL landscape and clubs and supporters of all teams will need to get used to more player power.

But back to my original point. I don't see how Brisbane refusing to trade Aish will prevent players requesting trades in the future. In fact it may have quite the opposite effect.

Liegh is not the type to go back-peddle on such strong statements. It will be intersting to see how it plays out.

12 months ago supporters on this board were very disappointed in the Beams trade. Look how quickly that changed. Brisbane should consider that before cutting off their nose.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Do you realise his brother plays for us?

Foolish argument and one that actually proves my point. If its good enough for Beams to shut out the GC and force a trade to Brisbane just to play in the same team as his brother, then it's good enough for Aish to force a trade to Collingwood because he for whatever reason he think it's a better club for him

Tbh it's arguments like this that make wonder if the Brisbane posters using them are subtly trolling Collingwood or are just the most gullible supporter base in the competition.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Yes but there are reasons for taking this stance with Aish. Its mot like we do it fir every player. If we get a fair deal on Redden he'lk be traded.

The reasons are complete bullshit and the fact the Brisbane hierarchy can't understand that goes some way to explaining why they've spent the last decade wallowing at the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Zahki]

Do Brisbane really think they're going to stop the exodus by playing hardball? Silly. Cutting their nose off to spite their faces. Hypocritical too since they were calling Collingwood heartless for thinking over whether we would trade one of our best players to them.

In the end Brisbane will only hurt themselves and more players will jump into the PSD without compensation. Doesn't sound like a win really.

 

[Dynamics]

I really am tired of this ridiculous "club" and their farcical attempts at management.

It's not like the kid had any say in coming to Brisbane. He served his two years, is at the end of his contract and wants to leave (just like our kid Freeman) and they act like a psycho ex-girlfriend, setting fire to his car so he can't leave town.

Grow the hell up Brisbane. Your attempt to "make a stand" just makes you appear more hypocritical, misguided and foolish than ever before.

I want Aish at Collingwood, but honestly, at least give him some control of his life... If that means he goes elsewhere, whatever. Better than seeing him stuck at the Lions or rotting at the Blues.

You don't deserve quality footballers if this is how you treat them. Have some dignity and let the kid go. You can't "make" players want to play for you, that's absurd.

 

[left at home]

by refusing aish, but granting redden just sends mix messages that does nothing for the club going forward

 

[eddiebankbalance]

by refusing aish, but granting redden just sends mix messages that does nothing for the club going forward

That's because Brisbane have gone full on mad..

 

[Apex36]

Do you realise his brother plays for us?

If that's a legit reason to shut GC out then Aish having his best friend at the pies is a legit reason to nominate them.

See how it doesn't seem so fair when the shoe is on the other foot?

 

[left at home]

That's because Brisbane have gone full on mad..

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yes they have. also I think mattews legend status have gone to his head. to be honest the club really has not recovered
from the end of his coaching reign. then voss and the thought they were close and now.
they have so many troubles on and off the field don't know if they can recover with out a massive take over from the afl
they have more debt than most clubs combined

 

[SgtFloydPepper]

Spot on.

Lions supporters can't use this 'it was different with Beams his Dad was unwell"……Beams wouldn't let GC into the picture and basically just walked out on our club with 1 year left yet we still had the compassion to get a deal done for him.

If the Lions actually go through with this then they will hurt themselves more than they know. Kids will be told by their managers that if they think they may not like the prospect of going to the Lions then to be quite open about that with the Lions and say they don't want to be taken as they would likely seek to leave as soon as they could.

The Lions should look at GWS, here is a start up club who built a culture and environment in a 3-4 year period that resulted in 6 of their big 7 signing on again this year. The Lions should look inwardly and accept that the reason these kids are leaving is that there is something wrong in their systems. To put the blame on kids like Aish is appalling and player managers will take note. In reality they know it……its why Leppa begged Lambo to come back. Leppa is a massive part of the problem up there……MASSIVE!

So lets get this straight.

You can't see the difference in a situation where a bloke - who won the best and fairest at your club, played in a premiership with your club, contributed to your club as a whole over 6 seasons, whom wanted to live in the same state as his sick father and play footy with his brother.

As opposed to a bloke who's sat the requisite 2 years at a club (in which they invested heavily in him in pick 7), had an impeccable first season, had an average year blighted by injury (he wasn't dropped for the second part of the year, he broke his jaw for the uneducated that seem to be peddling this line), put off contract negotiations consistently, whom has no affiliation to your club/state.

One seemingly earned some right to pick his club of destination due to attachments to said club. The other seems to think that giving the minimal service required, then not only decides to go to pick a state of preference, but a team of preference. What right has a second year player earned in making such a bold move.

This isn't a go at collingwood per se, more a go at the self-entitlement of said pick 7 thinking that he gets a free reign. I think had he as a person said, 'my heart isn't in it up here - I'd like to be traded to (state)' etc, you'd have seen the club as more forthcoming and understanding, as it would give us far more options to be compensated fairly. On the back of 5 first rounders picking and choosing where they wanted to go, a line in the sand had to be drawn somewhere.

As for the trading of other players, it seems as if we'll help Redden get to his club of choice (given that you know, he's also given 6 seasons of service etc). I'd be disappointed in the club if they didn't do this.

As for the message it sends.....it is what it is.

 

[Bay Pie]

I don't know why people are continuing to discuss this.

Brisbane made their decision to lose a good player for nothing. Let's just discuss how we go about securing a good enough pick to pick him in the National Draft.

As I've said before, no chance he remains with Brisbane and no chance he goes to the PSD.

If you can put a 1 year deal on your head, I'd tell him to put $700k for that year. With the high priced players we've shed lately, we'd have plenty a Casho to secure Aisho.

2 x 2nd rounders to Swans for pick 14?

Seedsman and pick 26 to Gold Coast for pick 19?

With $700 large on his head for one year, no one picks him up.......no one.

We'll offer a fair trade. If it's gets knocked back we'll hear Hine say "It's a shame. We feel we've offered a fair deal but Brisbane wouldn't entertain it. We'll now work with James and see how we can secure him via the National Draft. Collingwood will make no further comment on this matter."

 

[jimmy35]

So lets get this straight.

You can't see the difference in a situation where a bloke - who won the best and fairest at your club, played in a premiership with your club, contributed to your club as a whole over 6 seasons, whom wanted to live in the same state as his sick father and play footy with his brother.

As opposed to a bloke who's sat the requisite 2 years at a club (in which they invested heavily in him in pick 7), had an impeccable first season, had an average year blighted by injury (he wasn't dropped for the second part of the year, he broke his jaw for the uneducated that seem to be peddling this line), put off contract negotiations consistently, whom has no affiliation to your club/state.

One seemingly earned some right to pick his club of destination due to attachments to said club. The other seems to think that giving the minimal service required, then not only decides to go to pick a state of preference, but a team of preference. What right has a second year player earned in making such a bold move.

This isn't a go at collingwood per se, more a go at the self-entitlement of said pick 7 thinking that he gets a free reign. I think had he as a person said, 'my heart isn't in it up here - I'd like to be traded to (state)' etc, you'd have seen the club as more forthcoming and understanding, as it would give us far more options to be compensated fairly. On the back of 5 first rounders picking and choosing where they wanted to go, a line in the sand had to be drawn somewhere.

As for the trading of other players, it seems as if we'll help Redden get to his club of choice (given that you know, he's also given 6 seasons of service etc). I'd be disappointed in the club if they didn't do this.

As for the message it sends.....it is what it is.

Why would you want to keep someone that doesn't want to be there. That's creepy.

 

[Mick39]

Best case is if Seedsman picks Gold Coast, we send Seedsman and Pick 25 for Pick 19. Put a price on his head and take him at 19.

Picks can be swapped in latter picks to get a fair value for Seedsman.

 

[SgtFloydPepper]

Why would you want to keep someone that doesn't want to be there. That's creepy.

We're clearly not keeping him now....particularly in light of the fact that he only announced his intention 4 days before trade week. If he'd wanted a trade....our seasons been over for 5 weeks, could have let us know his intentions at any time in that period. Why keep us waiting if he didn't want to entertain the option of staying?

 

[DWil6]

So lets get this straight.

You can't see the difference in a situation where a bloke - who won the best and fairest at your club, played in a premiership with your club, contributed to your club as a whole over 6 seasons, whom wanted to live in the same state as his sick father and play footy with his brother.

As opposed to a bloke who's sat the requisite 2 years at a club (in which they invested heavily in him in pick 7), had an impeccable first season, had an average year blighted by injury (he wasn't dropped for the second part of the year, he broke his jaw for the uneducated that seem to be peddling this line), put off contract negotiations consistently, whom has no affiliation to your club/state.

One seemingly earned some right to pick his club of destination due to attachments to said club. The other seems to think that giving the minimal service required, then not only decides to go to pick a state of preference, but a team of preference. What right has a second year player earned in making such a bold move.

This isn't a go at collingwood per se, more a go at the self-entitlement of said pick 7 thinking that he gets a free reign. I think had he as a person said, 'my heart isn't in it up here - I'd like to be traded to (state)' etc, you'd have seen the club as more forthcoming and understanding, as it would give us far more options to be compensated fairly. On the back of 5 first rounders picking and choosing where they wanted to go, a line in the sand had to be drawn somewhere.

As for the trading of other players, it seems as if we'll help Redden get to his club of choice (given that you know, he's also given 6 seasons of service etc). I'd be disappointed in the club if they didn't do this.

As for the message it sends.....it is what it is.

The problem still remains. The message that it sends. You can't believe that it sends a positive message to future players. Freeman. 2 years at Collingwood, wants to leave. Not happy but allowing it. Aish 2 years at Brisbane wants to leave, no dice. What manner of crazy?? Players drafted to Brisbane as 18 year olds will be nervous as hell. What if I don't like it there because the coach and captain are hard to work with? If I was an employee working for people who were difficult, I'd look elsewhere too.


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[Enforcer]

Not bad effort for "steak knives", congrats Jack Crisp for winning the Gavin Brown Award at tonight's Copeland Trophy.

 

[Enforcer]

We're clearly not keeping him now....particularly in light of the fact that he only announced his intention 4 days before trade week. If he'd wanted a trade....our seasons been over for 5 weeks, could have let us know his intentions at any time in that period. Why keep us waiting if he didn't want to entertain the option of staying?

Fair to say EVERYONE outside of Brisbane knew he was never going to stay.

Your club may not publically admit it but I bet you internally they knew Aish had already checked out.