Alan Richardson: where's the pressure?

[joop]

I went to the game yesterday and you could just sense the feeling in the atmosphere that Richardson is gone.
Unfortunately for Richardson, he just doesn't have enough elite talent to work with. I did not see any standout player for the Saints.
On the other side of things, Brisbane look to have a whole core of brilliant players and they are long and very tall.

And why don’t we have elite talent? Is it every single player on our list is no good? Or is it due to development? I’m pretty confident I know what the issue is.

 

[joop]

The issue we have is that Richo reportedly has a trigger clause that gives him next year if we win a final, so if we were to sack him now (thus taking away his chance to trigger that final year), we presumably would be required to pay out as much as all of next year's contract.

So that is why we might have to wait until finals are out of the equation mathematically before sacking him, as much as we might like to do it ASAP- to not start looking too far after North and Carlton.

I don’t think that’s true, he isn’t contracted for next year yet so why do we have to pay him out? Regardless I’d do it anyway. He’s had FIVE years, that’s more than enough time and he’s still not performing. Even something as stupid as starting Carlisle forward today, just doesn’t make sense and reeks of desperation.

 

[Plugger35]

I went to the game yesterday and you could just sense the feeling in the atmosphere that Richardson is gone.
Unfortunately for Richardson, he just doesn't have enough elite talent to work with. I did not see any standout player for the Saints.
On the other side of things, Brisbane look to have a whole core of brilliant players and they are long and very tall.

We have enough elite talent, Richo just makes them look bog ordinary.

 

[cotter101]

Has to go. They might have only won two games but Carlton are in a far better position to move forward right now than St Kilda, and that’s not necessarily due to a lack of talent.

 

[Scotland]

We have enough elite talent, Richo just makes them look bog ordinary.

You don't but yes he does.

 

[My Tilly]

And why don’t we have elite talent? Is it every single player on our list is no good? Or is it due to development? I’m pretty confident I know what the issue is.

No, not every single player on the list is poor but you haven't targeted any brilliant players. Does St Kilda have any indigenous players on their list?
I hope I am not out of line asking the question but Brisbane have a great diversity of talent. Their indigenous players cut you guys up to pieces today. They have very tall and extremely athletic players.
I didn't see any jumping beans for the Saints. Not enough spring heeled jacks.
Poor recruiting in my opinion.

 

[My Tilly]

We have enough elite talent, Richo just makes them look bog ordinary.

Who is elite?
Steven would be borderline elite.

Most clubs have 2 or 3 elite players in the starting 22.

 

[Red Bull]

Can we afford to pay him out? He's contracted.

Just pay him out 7 cents in the dollar like you did for Allan Jeans and the 1966 premiership players ...

 

[the harry]

No, not every single player on the list is poor but you haven't targeted any brilliant players. Does St Kilda have any indigenous players on their list?
I hope I am not out of line asking the question but Brisbane have a great diversity of talent. Their indigenous players cut you guys up to pieces today. They have very tall and extremely athletic players.
I didn't see any jumping beans for the Saints. Not enough spring heeled jacks.
Poor recruiting in my opinion.

Did they cut them up because they're indigenous or because they're good at football? Probably could have worded this better.

 

[Substance]

Did they cut them up because they're indigenous or because they're good at football? Probably could have worded this better.

Could be good at football because they're indigenous.

 

[Gavin Excell]

We have enough elite talent, Richo just makes them look bog ordinary.

Debatable

 

[Blackhawk42]

Does St Kilda have any indigenous players on their list?
I hope I am not out of line asking the question but Brisbane have a great diversity of talent. Their indigenous players cut you guys up to pieces today. They have very tall and extremely athletic players.

Greshem (who is arguably their most talented player), Parker and Long come straight to mind as being indigenous I think? Someone may be able to confirm for me.

 

[Kram]

We have enough elite talent, Richo just makes them look bog ordinary.

Can you give me a list of names, I could do with a laugh.

 

[Plugger35]

Who is elite?
Steven would be borderline elite.

Most clubs have 2 or 3 elite players in the starting 22.

Billings, Gresham, Hannebery and Carlisle would all be considered elite while Membrey would make any teams forward line as a medium sized forward.

We've had bad luck with injuries this year along with the unavailability of McCartin, Steven and Roberton but even so we shouldn't be getting thrashed by a middle of the road Brisbane team at home with the team we put out there yesterday. The same old problems just aren't being fixed and that falls back on the coach.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Brad Scott come on down.

 

[Wayne Swan]

North, Carlton, Saints, that's three senior coaches needed, two clubs are already talking to prospects, wouldn't want to be third cab off the rank.

 

[markm106]

Surely Ratten takes over this year or next.

 

[Xtreme]

Certain people in the media with ties to a certain black and red club do not want to pull the trigger on too many coaches as it would then mean they would have to attack Worsfold by proxy.

 

[demondavey]

Get a proper and productive game plan.
Have players picked on merit and form.
Have players played in their proper positions.
Boost in moral.
Give Ratten the rest of the year to see what he can do with the group.
Stop supporters being turned off going to the footy.

He’s had 5 years and is one of the clubs longest serving coaches, and we are still going no where. Why keep him? What has he done to deserve to keep his job?

Agree. The precedent is set this year with Bolton getting sacked and Scott getting tapped on the shoulder. Unless it happens this week, a smashing against Richmond will tip it over the edge, but I very much think St Kilda will respond.

I was genuinely shocked yesterday, I haven’t seen the Saints roll over like that in a long time.

 

[TheEnsign]

Greshem (who is arguably their most talented player), Parker and Long come straight to mind as being indigenous I think? Someone may be able to confirm for me.

Yep all of those plus Robbie Young and going forward Gresh is in the small handful of players with elite potential. The other poster doesn't have a clue.

 

[Hamingja]

Richardson has done well to get this list to win 6 games. They have over achieved this year. His problem is that he has been there for a long time so it is his list.

 

[Mofra]

Billings, Gresham, Hannebery and Carlisle would all be considered elite while Membrey would make any teams forward line as a medium sized forward.

Hannebury hasn't been elite for 2+ years.

Membrey is very good though, Hunter Clark should reach that level and Nick Coffield should be worth the wait, very highly rated junior.

 

[StCicatriz]

Surely Ratten takes over this year or next.

He's the worst performed line coach we have.

 

[StCicatriz]

Rofl what. You've got the wrong poster.

You couldn’t STOP talking this saints list and coach up at the start of the year

 

[HTPunter]

Billings, Gresham, Hannebery and Carlisle would all be considered elite while Membrey would make any teams forward line as a medium sized forward.

We've had bad luck with injuries this year along with the unavailability of McCartin, Steven and Roberton but even so we shouldn't be getting thrashed by a middle of the road Brisbane team at home with the team we put out there yesterday. The same old problems just aren't being fixed and that falls back on the coach.

Hannebery hasn't had a good season since 2016.
I can't remember a year Carlisle would be in the top 50 players in the comp - certainly never made an AA squad, his best B&F performance was a 4th.

Marshall probably has a better claim than both right now as he can be argued to be the 'best of the rest' (behind Gawn and Grundy) as a ruckman.