All Australian Team 08

[Mr Lizard]

So now its more than 7 days ago right ?

You call Chewy pedantic for correcting your '30%' claim. And yet, here you are, 'it is more than 7 days, it's 8 days'. Ohhh, he was out by a day. How petty and pedantic are you? Last week you made this claim (9 days ago now) which is after the Collingwood game, not the Geelong game. Petty, pedantic, and factually incorrect, again.


Admit you were wrong about Campbell Brown. You said previously, "oh that's already been covered" but, you didn't cover it (other than to say 'oh that's been covered already'). Admit you were wrong, bird brain.

 

[Bollox]

You call Chewy pedantic for correcting your '30%' claim. And yet, here you are, 'it is more than 7 days, it's 8 days'. Ohhh, he was out by a day. How petty and pedantic are you? Last week you made this claim (9 days ago now) which is after the Collingwood game, not the Geelong game. Petty, pedantic, and factually incorrect, again.


Admit you were wrong about Campbell Brown. You said previously, "oh that's already been covered" but, you didn't cover it (other than to say 'oh that's been covered already'). Admit you were wrong, bird brain.

Oh no...the Hawthorn trolls are starting to huddle together and want to circle the wagons on me.

There is nothing "factually correct" about picking an AA team "bird brain"...its best guess AT THAT TIME.

You're 12mths too late and far too irrelevant to weasel your way into any Campbell Brown argument as well. As explained it was just another moment when Chewy decided to go backwards in time and pick out when someone didnt think he'd make the team well before the end of last season. The guy finished the season off well and got selected.

Perhaps you're another that likes to think the AA team doesnt change as the season progresses.

He was wrong about Mitchell and Hodge yet he cant admit that...so i fail to see why any Hawthorn twit can expect me to care about his hindsight call on one single backman miles out from the end of a season.

In case u didnt notice he's just doing the same shit again this yr. Tossing pebbles around with the benefit of his genius 20/20 hindsight and attempting to abuse ppl for simply making a call on the AA team as the weeks progress.

He doesnt even have the nads to put his own team up....its not as though its anything important but he still wouldnt...thats coz it might be criticised later by people as small minded and petty as him ...or be seen as simply "wrong" in a cpl of weeks time.

He's a soft and irrelevant pebble thrower that only bitches and moans about what OTHERS see as a form guide....a bit like you

 

[rose jam]

He might not be the flashy player he was in '04 and '06 but he's still had a great year and top 5 clearances, contested posession and first posessions. He's sparked Carlton comebacks, been the key in their wins and their best player in losses. He's one of the best clearance players in the league (if not the best) and a great leader for the Carlton youngsters.

Judd has had too many poor games and poor quarters. There's a few games where he has played excellent last quarters and been a liability for the first 3. Not good enough for AA

 

[Gozz]

Waite is the worst backman going around. Terrible player.

Waite is way better than that hack Croad. Croad is shit and he won't get a gig. Not only does he not win any football, but he isn't even that good at shutting people down and is helped out by having all of Hawthorn's heaps good player around him. Waite won't make it either but he at least gets possessions and to call him the worst backman means you are a mental case and should be in a hospital. Waite will be AA CHB next year.

 

[tazhawk]

Waite is way better than that hack Croad. Croad is shit and he won't get a gig. Not only does he not win any football, but he isn't even that good at shutting people down and is helped out by having all of Hawthorn's heaps good player around him. Waite will be AA CHB next year.

Lets all hope that Waite plays on Buddy come round 22.

I think Fred Fannings 18 goal record would be in serious danger.

FFS if you really think that Waite will be AA CHB next year, then you probably think that Eddie Betts will be an AA ruckman as well.

 

[canman44]

FB M.Mattner M.Scarlett
HBL. Hodge Bock H. Shaw
C M. Richardson A. Cooney J.Bartel
HF B.Harvey J.Brown R.Okfee
FF J. Akermanis B. Fevola A.Didak
FOLLD.Cox G.Ablett S.Black

 

[Main Man]

FB M.Mattner M.Scarlett
HBL. Hodge Bock H. Shaw
C M. Richardson A. Cooney J.Bartel
HF B.Harvey J.Brown R.Okfee
FF J. Akermanis B. Fevola A.Didak
FOLLD.Cox G.Ablett S.Black

Mate seriously Franklin will be one of the first 2 or 3 players picked and you don't have him, are you joking?

 

[tazhawk]

FB M.Mattner M.Scarlett
HBL. Hodge Bock H. Shaw
C M. Richardson A. Cooney J.Bartel
HF B.Harvey J.Brown R.Okfee
FF J. Akermanis B. Fevola A.Didak
FOLLD.Cox G.Ablett S.Black

May I suggest that you at least consider another back pocket.

Also you seem to have left out Buddy Franklin.

Were you trying to pick a shitty team. ?

Aka, Didak, have no chance.

 

[canman44]

May I suggest that you at least consider another back pocket.

Also you seem to have left out Buddy Franklin.

Were you trying to pick a shitty team. ?

Aka, Didak, have no chance.

aww opps. Back bocket. T.Harley.

Well who should i drop Fev or Brown?

 

[tazhawk]

aww opps. Back bocket. T.Harley.

Well who should i drop Fev or Brown?

FFS mate, get a clue ............ drop who ever you want.

Buddy Franklin will be in the AA team in 2008.

 

[MrNatural]

FB:C.Brown Scarlett Fisher

HBratt Bock Harley

C: Judd Mitchell Harvey

HF:O'Keefe Pavlich Didak

FF:Medhurst Franklin Fevola

R: Cox, Ablett, Bartel

I: Hille, Black, Richardson, Cooney

 

[canman44]

FFS mate, get a clue ............ drop who ever you want.

Buddy Franklin will be in the AA team in 2008.

Gee have a sook.
Fev is like 8 goals behind Franklin and Frankiling cant convert for shit.

 

[BigLance]

amazing how these threads are chock full of hawthorn fans ey ?

 

[Cynic]

Will Didak's suspension prevent him from being All Australian? In theory it shouldn't but the AFL may not want his face up there...

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I watched Mackie under the pump against Hawthorn and I thought he struggled in a few important contests.

I watched Hodge against the Cats, and thought he was very ordinary. No way AA.

 

[Dippers_Mullet]

Waite is way better than that hack Croad. Croad is shit and he won't get a gig. Not only does he not win any football, but he isn't even that good at shutting people down and is helped out by having all of Hawthorn's heaps good player around him. Waite won't make it either but he at least gets possessions and to call him the worst backman means you are a mental case and should be in a hospital. Waite will be AA CHB next year.

lol .

 

[Chewy]

I watched Hodge against the Cats, and thought he was very ordinary. No way AA.

Haha... Touche.

Okay, seriously now. Where do you rate Mackie in the overall scheme of things as far as 2008 goes? Is he in front of Scarlett, Harley, Enright and Milburn for A/A selection? What about Wojcinski? He must be stiff.

We'll get there one day, LLD. Eventually every Geelong footballer will be named All Australian and you'll be satisfied. Incredible to think us biased Hawk fans would dream of talking up our 4 or 5 best players when Geelong have the 22 of the greatest footballers since Carji Greeves. Who else can we squeeze in there? Otto? Kelly? Mooney again? He's been infuential once again. Been a real presence.

Okay, sarcasm aside. Do you think Mackie is a genuine gun, or do you think his reputation is enhanced from playing in a champion team?

I think the latter. That's what I was trying to get at when I mentioned his game against Hawthorn. I wasn't judging him solely on that performance. He was okay, part of the chain, but no star.

 

[Chewy]

He doesnt even have the nads to put his own team up....

Yes, I did. More lies....

Not having a good week, are you Bird Brain?

He's a soft and irrelevant pebble thrower that only bitches and moans about what OTHERS see as a form guide....a bit like you

Go and take your medication before you have another meltdown.

You've said my posts are not worth responding to. I feel the same about you. Let's call it quits. I'm done arguing with idiots. It's fun for awhile, but it gets old.

I will let you have the last word, but next time I mention a Hawthorn footballer, please don't bother responding. We all know where you stand. You think us Hawk fans are biased cheerleaders, none of our players are even close to selection, there are better A/A candidates in every slot, blah, blah, blah, you're legend in your own laptop, rant, rant, rant, blah, blah, blah, Hey Ma! have you seen where my pills are? blah blah blah....

 

[Brown n Gold]

Mackie and Harley have 2 of the easiest jobs in the AFL...

Harley reads the play exceptionally well and because of the lack of quality ball being delivered by oposition teams he looks like a freak down there. One on one he is EXPOSED... If he is in the best 6 defenders in the comp I will eat a dick

Playing as a HBF in the Geelong side would be the easiest job in the comp. Before any of you comment on Birchall.. I say exactly the same for him and do not think he is near AA either.

 

[HFF]

My team would look like this:

FB: B.Lake Scarlett Pratt

HB:Enright Bock Mackie

C: Harvey Cooney Thompson

HF: O' Keefe Pavlich Didak

FF: Medhurst Franklin Fevola

R: Cox Ablett Bartel

I/C: Richo Hille S. Johnson Mitchell

 

[Claude Balls]

Mackie and Harley have 2 of the easiest jobs in the AFL...

Harley reads the play exceptionally well and because of the lack of quality ball being delivered by oposition teams he looks like a freak down there. One on one he is EXPOSED... If he is in the best 6 defenders in the comp I will eat a dick

Playing as a HBF in the Geelong side would be the easiest job in the comp. Before any of you comment on Birchall.. I say exactly the same for him and do not think he is near AA either.

You're not far off the mark, though in Harley's defence, he was just as good at marking opposition kicks in the defensive 50m in 2003 and 2004, when Geelong's midfield was nowhere near as good at impeding the quality of the entries. In those years, he was regarded as perhaps the 2nd or third best CHB, behind Chad Cornes, though on par with the likes of Chris Grant.

And yes, an element of Mackie's job is very easy - run forward of the play when you 'know' your team will regain posession imminently, and be fed the pill over the top as you run down the wing.

However, that's not to say that anyone can do it. When Mackie was out of our team, or struggling for fitness in his first few games back, Geelong struggled noticably for run off the half back line. He is daring, skilfull, and a natural footballer who can read the play very well. In fact, in a sense, he makes it look easier than it is.

It touches on that old chestnut that so many people on Bigfooty go along with.. i.e. players X, Y, and Z are only good because Geelong make them look good. Where do you draw the line and establish when exactly someone just looks good because of those around them, or that they themselves are a reason why the team is so good?

 

[Furious D]

What do opposition supporters think of Ryan Hargrave in the back pocket or flank. Has been equal to if not better than mackie, milburn, birchall, shaw. Shuts down small forwards and uses the ball well. One of our most consistent this year.

 

[Chewy]

Where do you draw the line?

It's difficult to quantify these things, but I would draw the line at six or seven players.

Nine players in 2007 was ridiculous. I don't rule out the possibility that a football team may be so loaded with champions that 9 or 10 of their players may well be deserving of the A/A individual accolade, but if a team was really that loaded, then all 22 games would be like Geelong vs Melbourne the other night. They would kick 25 goals every week and probably win 5 flags in a row!

Geelong are very good, but not that good.

It reminds me a bit of Hawthorn in the 80's when they had Dermie and Dunstall and they also had journeymen like Richard Loveridge and Russell Morris who blitzed and were named in the state teams and A/A teams.

It's not right. Geelong are a juggernaut. They play "total football" with all players contributing and kicking arse, but we shouldn't overlook the outstanding contributions from superior players from weaker teams.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Haha... Touche.

Okay, seriously now. Where do you rate Mackie in the overall scheme of things as far as 2008 goes? Is he in front of Scarlett, Harley, Enright and Milburn for A/A selection? What about Wojcinski? He must be stiff.

We'll get there one day, LLD. Eventually every Geelong footballer will be named All Australian and you'll be satisfied. Incredible to think us biased Hawk fans would dream of talking up our 4 or 5 best players when Geelong have the 22 of the greatest footballers since Carji Greeves. Who else can we squeeze in there? Otto? Kelly? Mooney again? He's been infuential once again. Been a real presence.

Okay, sarcasm aside. Do you think Mackie is a genuine gun, or do you think his reputation is enhanced from playing in a champion team?

I think the latter. That's what I was trying to get at when I mentioned his game against Hawthorn. I wasn't judging him solely on that performance. He was okay, part of the chain, but no star.

Hmmm I would rate him ahead of Enright, Milburn and Wocjinski on his output this year. Enright does have the edge over the past 6 weeks.

I rate Mackie pretty highly, this year and last he has been a key part of our rebound out of the backline. His kicking is top shelf for the most part, but he seems to be the one player in the Geelong team that can get a little cocky during a game. He'll start playing in an almost arrogant fashion, and occasionally takes his disposal a little too lax, and will kick a lazy shank. Not very often, but probably 2 or 3 occasions so far this year.

The thing about Mackie is I don't doubt the side he is in at the moment allows him to play the way he does, but what he does is very important for us. I have no idea why opposition sides haven't been making sure his opponent pays him a little respect. Time and again he will bob up in the midfield as our link man, in 50m+ space, allowing him to either deliver with precision, or bob up for 1 or 2 goals. His Champion Data average is the 4th highest in the team. Is rarely beaten by his opponent, including 1 on 1, maybe partly due to not being tested that often.

I think he would be on the verge of the AA team, as I don't believe they should really take the downsides I've mentioned into account for the purpose of choosing AA players. You can't penalise a player because he's in a good team. I don't believe Milburn has done enough to warrant AA selection this year, if Enright keeps his form up then probably yes.

 

[Claude Balls]

It's difficult to quantify these things, but I would draw the line at six or seven players.

Nine players in 2007 was ridiculous. I don't rule out the possibility that a football team may be so loaded with champions that 9 or 10 of their players may well be deserving of the A/A individual accolade, but if a team was really that loaded, then all 22 games would be like Geelong vs Melbourne the other night. They would kick 25 goals every week and probably win 5 flags in a row!

Geelong are very good, but not that good.

It reminds me a bit of Hawthorn in the 80's when they had Dermie and Dunstall and they also had journeymen like Richard Loveridge and Russell Morris who blitzed and were named in the state teams and A/A teams.

It's not right. Geelong are a juggernaut. They play "total football" with all players contributing and kicking arse, but we shouldn't overlook the outstanding contributions from superior players from weaker teams.

I agree with you completely in the context of this thread, which is obviously about the AA team.

However, I was touching more on the widespread conception that certain players from Geelong are only rated individually due to the presence of their team mates.

While there is certainly some substance to this view point, it is not a case of black and white, and some serious though has to be given to where to draw the line. We know Geelong's top 6 players are extremely good, but what makes the team so good is that players 14 - 22 are also good. Players 14 - 22 are not just made to look good by players 1- 6.

In terms of the AA team, I feel that the selectors did get a carried away in this manner in 2007. 9 Geelong players was too many.

There are always great players in poor teams whose performance for that year was about as good as it could possibly be, given the context of playing in a poor team. Unfortunately, the task of factoring individual performances based on such circumstances, is probably too difficult for the selectors.