Another trade winner

[DaveW]

Ben Finnin has been delisted by the Cats. After not getting a senior game all year in a struggling side.

So not only did we get an experienced goalsneak in Ronnie Burns. We released an unwanted player one year out from his initial contract expiring. (If that wasn't already obvious - it is two years minimum for newly drafted players, right?)

On top of that, we had Geelong paying a good portion of Burns' contract.

We were big, big winners in this deal.

This comes after Carlton delisted Eccles earlier in the week. Who did we give him up for? Ah yes, Kris Massie.

Thank you Geelong. Thank you Carlton.

 

[ajmart]

It just demonstrates how chancey trading and drafting is in the AFL. A young kid at U17 level can look like a champion but not be able to step up to AFL level and other ordinary looking players can take the step.

It's all very well in retrospect to criticize trades but often our club hasn't had opportunities due to not finishing down the bottom of the ladder. Then a lot of established Victorian players are not keen to move interstate and it seems a lot of young Victorian players suffer from "home sickness" compared to their non-Victorian counterparts and trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff seems very difficult.

Cheers,

a.j.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW
Ben Finnin has been delisted by the Cats. After not getting a senior game all year in a struggling side.

Yep, the experts were right again when they said we were mortgaging our future with the Burns - Finnin swap.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
On top of that, we had Geelong paying a good portion of Burns' contract.

And they still are

We can say what we like about our drafting but I must admit our trading has been pretty good over the years. If our drafting can be as good as our trading we would be on a roll

 

[Asgardian]

Yep, looks like I got that one wrong.

BUT, I still reckon Burns is, has been in 2003, and will be in 2004 & beyond, a DUD.

All said and done though, Adelaide won that trade encounter

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Yep, looks like I got that one wrong.

BUT, I still reckon Burns is, has been in 2003, and will be in 2004 & beyond, a DUD.

All said and done though, Adelaide won that trade encounter

At least we got some good games out of Ronnie in 2003. Cats got bugger all out of Finnin.

 

[spindoctor]

Burns played great in a number of games this year, was FAR from a dud. Was a lively target, kicked some great goals and single-handedly won us a couple of games - before he went off against Brisbane with that injury, he was electrifying and we probably would have won with him on.

Obviously your idea of a player not being a dud is they have to play 22 top-5 player games or something? 22 into 5 doesn't go...

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Asgardian
BUT, I still reckon Burns is, has been in 2003 ...

23 goals in 18 games (plus assists) despite suffering niggling injuries and competing in a forward line that was never settled?

I'd say that's a good result for an old recruit under the pump before he'd even arrived.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Asgardian
Yep, looks like I got that one wrong.

BUT, I still reckon Burns is, has been in 2003, and will be in 2004 & beyond, a DUD.

All said and done though, Adelaide won that trade encounter

Yep we won that one hands down,

I was one who questioned the wisdom of trading Burns but not for the reason of losing Ben Finnan, mainly i was concerned with how Ronnie's attitude & fitness level would work out but i was proven wrong & to be honest Ronnie had a reasonable year & with a bit of luck will have an even better one in 04.

 

[spindoctor]

Burns has still got a nice amount of pace on him for a bloke over 30.

And I think he thrived not being the no 1 target in the forward line like he had been at Geelong. He is a goalsneak, not a key forward.

Though with the emergence of Johncock, Schuback and Ladhams he may be surplus to our requirements. Schuback has some lightning pace on him...

 

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Yep we won that one for sure!

In my opinion we were always winners in that one - we got Ronnie Burns and experienced player with known talent and we gave Geelong a kid who hadn't even played an AFL match. I guess with Ben there was the "he could be" factor but the wise old heads at the AFC knew best.

I was a bit sad to see Andrew Eccles delisted.........I was a fan of his at the Crows. We got a good trade for him in Kris Massie and he has fitted in very well into our side. Andrew will always have a place at the AFC though, the 98 Grand Final confirms this.

k
xx

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Though with the emergence of Johncock, Schuback and Ladhams he may be surplus to our requirements. Schuback has some lightning pace on him...

No worries for Rockin' Ronnie there... Stiffy will take Bicks' slot in the midfield rotation.

 

[CrowBoi]

Originally posted by dyertribe
No worries for Rockin' Ronnie there... Stiffy will take Bicks' slot in the midfield rotation.

...along with Laddhams who's pretty much in that rotation already on the wing...

Ronnie's spot is secure

 

[Demon37]

Sorry to burst your bubble... but:

Didn't Adelaide trade Daniel Wells (pick 2) for Wayne Carey?

 

[Polly12]

Could not agree more. Adelaide are the king of trades. The one I like most is Daniel Schell from Freo for the draft pick that delivered the Dockers Paul Medhurst! The Dockers would have been happy with a bag of apples for Schell.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Demon37
Sorry to burst your bubble... but:

Didn't Adelaide trade Daniel Wells (pick 2) for Wayne Carey?

We also got horny Torney out of that deal...

How are Peter Vardy, Nick Pesch, Brent Williams and Matthew Collins doing?

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Polly12
Could not agree more. Adelaide are the king of trades. The one I like most is Daniel Schell from Freo for the draft pick that delivered the Dockers Paul Medhurst! The Dockers would have been happy with a bag of apples for Schell.

You gave us Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom!

Freo way to go!

 

[Demon37]

Originally posted by dyertribe
We also got horny Torney out of that deal...

How are Peter Vardy, Nick Pesch, Brent Williams and Matthew Collins doing?

And you also lost Kane Johnson...

Vardy has been good when fit. As for the others, God knows why we went after them.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Demon37
And you also lost Kane Johnson...

Like all the other whinging homesick Vics that the interstate sides have had the misfortune of drafting/recruiting (Stuart Anderson, Jeff White, Tom Gilligan, Laurence Angwin, Trent Croad, Nick Stevens, et al) we were always going to lose Sugar. It's a miracle we got seven seasons and two Premierships out of him.

As for the Crow-Dee trades... look on the bright side, you offloaded Clay Sampson and Trent Ormond-Allen to us and you did get Anthony Ingerson from us

 

[Scotty's_Girl]

Originally posted by dyertribe
... Laurence Angwin

crows highest ever draft pick

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by dyertribe
You gave us Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom!

Freo way to go!

That would take about 20 Schell deals at least for Freo to break even.

A bag of apples for Schell??? P*ss off - I like apples!!!

 

[Cyclops]

Pies/Crows has netted you James (the centreman not the drunk) for Jonathon Ross the drunk. Another win for the Crows. Any others?

The picks for players is hard to figure, as a pick is such a punt, at least with an actual player you have something to look at.

Maybe the Carey deal was a stinker, but you got your player, North still had to pick Wells. I guess it wasn't a hard decision, but he could've been another Honeybun.

Even so, I still think the Crows lost that one, even before the Blues picks were disallowed.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by dyertribe
We also got horny Torney out of that deal...

How are Peter Vardy, Nick Pesch, Brent Williams and Matthew Collins doing?

Also, from the Dees we got Nathan Bassett, who has turned out to be a very handy pickup!

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Demon37
Sorry to burst your bubble... but:

Didn't Adelaide trade Daniel Wells (pick 2) for Wayne Carey?

We got r*ped on that deal; that's common knowledge. But what does that have to do with the price of fish?

Originally posted by dyertribe
We also got horny Torney out of that deal...

Did we? Depends which way you look at it.

Originally posted by Demon37
And you also lost Kane Johnson...

Make up your mind. It's either Johnson or Wells. It certainly wasn't both.

 

[Oh we're from..]

Originally posted by DaveW
We got r*ped on that deal; that's common knowledge. But what does that have to do with the price of fish?
Did we? Depends which way you look at it. Make up your mind. It's either Johnson or Wells. It certainly wasn't both.

By memory it was the tigers who initially had pick 4, which ended up to be pick 2 thanks to the cheating blues, who therefore gave up Daniel Wells in their bid for Kane Johnson.