List Mgmt. 2025 List Mismanagement and Trading

[Floating Doughnut]

I think wing is probably the position least suited to Curtin's weapons. But, if:

• all of Cumming, Dawson, Nankervis and Curtin went past Sholl for that wing/ half back role AND
• NWM is traded in AND
• Sholl fell out of the best 30,

then sure.

But I think the original post was that we should trade Sholl now, before any of that happened. I don't think that would be a good idea.

Edit: Floating Doughnut has clarified they meant end of next year. Let's get to the end of next year and see.

Would we trade out Nank, if Sholl is still ahead of him? (I wouldn't)

He , mate , cobber , even Dick as one here has referred to me as is fine

But appreciate the thoughtfulness.

 

[Coopers]

Would we trade out Nank, if Sholl is still ahead of him? (I wouldn't)

Trading Nank is madness. He's got it. He's a good footballer. Keep him every day of the week.

Sholl surprised me with being better than I thought. Still we may now have a few of his type who are likely to be better so we'll see. Not too fussed if we trade him. Maybe he'll surprise me more.

 

[hugecannon]

Why is Sholll getting traded every sesson? We lack wingmen & he was our best this sesson.

The other 2 are are a possibility though. If Murray, Worrell & Keane become the preferred 3 tall defenders, then Butts may look for other opportunities. Berry could depend on Crouch.

ROB is the other one who may be traded if he wants to be in Melbourne.

Reckon Bond is a keeper as a role player.

Agree with your 4 outs.

More that I see other players moving past him and him looking for other opportunities, same as Butts.

Ideally you’d keep both for depth, but that may not appeal to them long term and they both have some value in a trade.

 

[Mutineer]

More that I see other players moving past him and him looking for other opportunities, same as Butts.

Ideally you’d keep both for depth, but that may not appeal to them long term and they both have some value in a trade.

Butts rightly is rated by our coaches and when fit is best 22 easily, he's the one we need to play on the big gorilla forwards. He's way more than depth when fit, keeping him on the park has been the problem. Not helped this season when we played him with in a stretch of games with an obvious calf issue that was heavily strapped. Amazing once the strapping came off so did his form elevate.

 

[1990crow]

Trading Nank is madness. He's got it. He's a good footballer. Keep him every day of the week.

Sholl surprised me with being better than I thought. Still we may now have a few of his type who are likely to be better so we'll see. Not too fussed if we trade him. Maybe he'll surprise me more.

I think Nankveris showed some flaws in second half of the year. Needs a big preseason.
The reality is our depth has significantly increased and he would be at the bottom of the 22 currently with plenty of talented players wanting a shot like Dowling, Taylor, Pedlar, Edwards, Ryan, Milera, Jones and potentially pick 4 who all might not be in the team.

 

[1990crow]

Butts rightly is rated by our coaches and when fit is best 22 easily, he's the one we need to play on the big gorilla forwards. He's way more than depth when fit, keeping him on the park has been the problem. Not helped this season when we played him with in a stretch of games with an obvious calf issue that was heavily strapped. Amazing once the strapping came off so did his form elevate.

Do you think we can play Worrell, Keane, Murray and Butts in the same team? Even Michalanney and Hinge not exactly small.

 

[Mutineer]

Do you think we can play Worrell, Keane, Murray and Butts in the same team? Even Michalanney and Hinge not exactly small.

No good asking me, take it up with the coaches, Murray and Butts when fully fit should hold down the key defensive posts IMO.

 

[1990crow]

No good asking me, take it up with the coaches, Murray and Butts when fully fit should hold down the key defensive posts IMO.

Come on, have an opinion. Does Worrell or Keane not make the side under your view?

We have just convinced Keane to stay, he's probably getting a game accordingly.

Worrell?
It's an interesting situation and good position to be in to even be discussing this.

Could be a case of all 4 don't play every game and we pick based on opposition personnel.

 

[hugecannon]

I think that Dowling will also get lots of time on the wing this season as well.

 

[Big Dub]

He , mate , cobber , even Dick as one here has referred to me as is fine

But appreciate the thoughtfulness.

It's far safer to break the old rules of grammar, than the new rules of getting offended.

Got told off last month for putting the male name first in an email to a couple I'd never met before.

 

[crows dude]

Come on, have an opinion. Does Worrell or Keane not make the side under your view?

We have just convinced Keane to stay, he's probably getting a game accordingly.

Worrell?
It's an interesting situation and good position to be in to even be discussing this.

Could be a case of all 4 don't play every game and we pick based on opposition personnel.

23 in a side. Wish it was 5 on the bench without the sub

Then you could play

8 Talls two as back ups on the bench
1 Ruck
15 smalls-Mediums

F Walker Fogarty Rachele
HF Keays Thilthorpe Neale-Bullen
C Sholl Crouch Peatling
HB Max Murray Cumming
B Keane Butts Laird
R O'Brien Rankine Dawson
I Curtin Worrell Soligo Hinge Dowling

 

[Big Dub]

Come on, have an opinion. Does Worrell or Keane not make the side under your view?

We have just convinced Keane to stay, he's probably getting a game accordingly.

Worrell?
It's an interesting situation and good position to be in to even be discussing this.

Could be a case of all 4 don't play every game and we pick based on opposition personnel.

Murray is a good mix of offence and defence, and possibly our best tall defender. If fit, he plays.

Butts is the only real lock down tall defender. So if we play a good monster key forward, or a team with 2 key forwards, he should be a lock. But he doesn't create offensive drive like our other talls, so might miss out where we don't play against that structure.

The rest of our talls are more offence than defence and so don't really play like traditional tall defenders (except maybe the third tall role). While they don't exactly play like running defenders, their stats (esp disposals and kicking efficiency) are better than most of our running defenders (except Hinge).

So it likely depends on who we play. A good forward line, or one full of smalls, probably squeezes one of those talls out. But otherwise, we play our best available.

Nank is currently the least damaging of our taller defenders, but another pre season could see him jump some of our talls. Cumming might also come into the back third.

If it turns out that our 4 of our best 7 defenders are 195cm plus, and 6 or 7 190cm plus, that would make a tough match up for the opposition.

 

[hugecannon]

If tex is struggling physically to get up week in week out, I wonder if they’d look at Worrell to play forward?

Let’s them play Butts, Murray and Keane

 

[1970crow]

If tex is struggling physically to get up week in week out, I wonder if they’d look at Worrell to play forward?

Let’s them play Butts, Murray and Keane

Do we need to play 3 key forwards? How many recent premiers structure up like that? I'd have thought running power and ground ball pressure is more important than out heighting opposition. But we are definitely rigid in what we believe to be the ideal structure. We'll play a piss poor pressure forward just so we've got someone playing the designated role.

 

[Golumless]

It’s not his fault, he performed at his best in a shit show of a team.
But imo he will not be in the best 22 by year end and with more talent that we now have
hope we have better use of that position next season.

If Sholl performs like he did in 2024 in 2025, he'll be best 22 regardless of who these "talented" players are.

And really, he's threatened to for a few years to put up a season like that, so it's likely that he's just worked it out.

 

[Golumless]

If tex is struggling physically to get up week in week out, I wonder if they’d look at Worrell to play forward?

Let’s them play Butts, Murray and Keane

We will never consider Worrell as a forward option due to how the team is going.

We've shown our hand with Josh, seeing how we've used him in the last four-five years and that we see him purely as a KPD/third defensive tall. The only way we might consider it is if his game falls apart and we're going for a desperate hail mary kind of switch.

And really, Worrell does have a serious shot at being our best KPD come the end of 2025.

 

[cleanhands]

Do we need to play 3 key forwards? How many recent premiers structure up like that? I'd have thought running power and ground ball pressure is more important than out heighting opposition. But we are definitely rigid in what we believe to be the ideal structure. We'll play a piss poor pressure forward just so we've got someone playing the designated role.

Don’t be a sheep, be inventive

 

[1970crow]

If Sholl performs like he did in 2024 in 2025, he'll be best 22 regardless of who these "talented" players are.

And really, he's threatened to for a few years to put up a season like that, so it's likely that he's just worked it out.

His key attribute is hard running, I reckon it's just taken this many years for him to be able to run out a full season. Soligo another that is working up to performing at his highest over a full year.

 

[1970crow]

Don’t be a sheep, be inventive

There's a reason that successful sides don't structure that way. And you know that it's a lot easier to spoil than it is to take contested marks. The advantage is non-existent and it costs speed across the ground, which is critical in finals footy when the pressure ramps up.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do we need to play 3 key forwards? How many recent premiers structure up like that? I'd have thought running power and ground ball pressure is more important than out heighting opposition. But we are definitely rigid in what we believe to be the ideal structure. We'll play a piss poor pressure forward just so we've got someone playing the designated role.

Or 4 key forwards in wet night games. Works a treat

I wonder if Davis' arrival will herald the end of this sort of innovative thinking?

 

[Eddie Murphy]

If tex is struggling physically to get up week in week out, I wonder if they’d look at Worrell to play forward?

Let’s them play Butts, Murray and Keane

If we were to radically switch one of them, my guess would be Murray. I'd rather we gave his brother a try before we did that though.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Are we banking on one of Murray, Butts, Keane & Worrell to always be injured?

Trouble is there will either be 3 injured at once or zero.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Are we banking on one of Murray, Butts, Keane & Worrell to always be injured?

Trouble is there will either be 3 injured at once or zero.

Hopefully they stay fit.

We should be looking to rotate them horses for courses. Eg. Butts should play when we are up against 2 big key forwards.

Also, would like us to try Muzz & Worrell in different roles at times.

 

[George Kramer]

Silvers when asked by Rowey or Ginever about our rucks sprouted they will need to start looking at it as ROB and Strachan are getting on. He then mentioned TT, Burgess as guys who could ruck so feels we are ok for rucks.

So ROB, the guy they’ve dropped 2 years running and who hasn’t made B&F top 10 for 3 years, Strachan who isn’t up to it, TT who is supposed to be the King of our forward line and ****ing Burgess are our ruck stocks.

Just when you think they make some good decisions they push garbage ones.

 

[GreyCrow]

Contracted until end of 2025
Wayne Milera - keep
Matthew Crouch - keep

I'm ambivalent on these 2. I would like to see Wayne put in a solid season

But I do feel he will get the injury extension - ie 2 years to ''prove himself''

I would also monitor Matts input + what we have coming through and ask him if he can find another club we wont stand in his way - or we give another 2 years