USA Another US mass shooting

[JeffDunne]

They do nurture and create that demand. It's a self-perpetuating sort of thing.

I don't think anything will ever change in that shit-hole country as long as the NRA exists.

Blame the Supreme Court and their fundamentalist interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

They are the people that make serious gun control virtually impossible.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Blame the Supreme Court and their fundamentalist interpretation of the 2nd amendment.

They are the people that make serious gun control virtually impossible.

Yeah, them too.

Just so glad I don't have to live there.

 

[The Passenger]

Time Magazine February 1989.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/16...e-pages-of-time/slide/feb-1989-armed-america/

After a drifter unloaded an assault rifle on an elementary school playground at recess, killing five children and wounding 30 others, the issue of gun control again found its place in the national spotlight. The shooting in Stockton, Calif. saw Americans rushing the doors of gun retailers, attempting to buy up arms out of fear that Washington would soon ban them. TIME’s cover story, citing four other shooting incidents that happened the very same week, brought up the difficulties involved in reining in gun violence in the U.S.:

Wiki article on the shooting above.

This won't change anytime soon. Perhaps not even in any of our lifetimes.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

What would have to happen to change it?

We’ve had school shootings, politicians getting shit in the head, unloading on to concerts.

You could line up every official in the NRA and shoot them and that organisation would not change its tune.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

They're in too deep now.

People often talk about the effectiveness of the Australian approach (approx 1 millions guns taken in the buyback), but America has at least 300x that amount.

Even if they took the necessary steps in congress and wanted to implement change (which seems highly unlikely), how on earth would they go about reclaiming 300 million guns from approx 200 million gun loving people?

 

[kaiserchief13]

It's a sad time we live in that a large developed country like USA in the 21st century can not accept their faults and try and rectify them. Just too much arrogance in that country thinking they have the best of everything.

 

[kaiserchief13]

They're in too deep now.

People often talk about the effectiveness of the Australian approach (approx 1 millions guns taken in the buyback), but America has at least 300x that amount.

Even if they took the necessary steps in congress and wanted to implement change (which seems highly unlikely), how on earth would they go about reclaiming 300 million guns from approx 200 million gun loving people?

I doubt 200 million own guns. I would guess only about 5% of Americans own guns, but those that do own them own a lot of them.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

I doubt 200 million own guns. I would guess only about 5% of Americans own guns, but those that do own them own a lot of them.

Yeah my math was a bit off there, but I just googled it and apparently approximately 25% of Americans have a gun, 37% said somebody in their household owns one. So we're still talking about close to 100 million people.

John Howard did a great job back in 1996 but it just can't translate to America the way some people think. Not just the sheer number of guns and people, but their culture and beliefs. You can see the guys debating with Piers Morgan after Sandy Hook that MORE guns is the answer. It's just not going to change in our lifetime. Sad for the innocent victims nonetheless.

 

[go you pups]

I'd like to think a daily American massacre would incite meaningful political action on their gun laws. Do you think it would?

It's almost a weekly event as it is. So I'm beginning to think the only way to stop these massacres is more massacres, more frequently.

Maybe even it might take a few high level public figures or celebrities to get knocked off

Perhaps even an angry vigilante mob hitting the NRA

Would have to be something significant and a direct threat to the powers above for something to give over there, otherwise let's all look at them be happy at shoving their heads in the sand while saying the odd thought or prayer

 

[peppy la pew]

The same Donald Trump that owns several handguns and has a Concealed Carry Licence?

I'm guessing this post will go unnoticed

18 yr old kid with a myriad of problems + easy access to guns. Yeah Trumps fault

Snowflakes gonna snowflake

Americans will never relinquish their gun control rights, they honestly think that teachers should be armed to protect students

Where does this madness end.

 

[WA ROO]

I'm guessing this post will go unnoticed

18 yr old kid with a myriad of problems + easy access to guns. Yeah Trumps fault

Snowflakes gonna snowflake

Americans will never relinquish their gun control rights, they honestly think that teachers should be armed to protect students

Where does this madness end.

My post answering someone saying that Trump was only paying lip service to gun owners in the US
I found articles going back to 2012 of Trump owning handguns.Also getting a CCL in New York would be nearly impossible,but he does have one

 

[go you pups]

Time Magazine February 1989.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/16...e-pages-of-time/slide/feb-1989-armed-america/



Wiki article on the shooting above.

This won't change anytime soon. Perhaps not even in any of our lifetimes.

Geezers, 29 years of prayers, thoughts and heads in the sand

#culcha

 

[Bennett.]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...-threat-from?utm_term=.tqz8gP4dxE#.mkJnR9qlNM

Well done feds...

 

[Bradesmaen]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...-threat-from?utm_term=.tqz8gP4dxE#.mkJnR9qlNM

Well done feds...

Yes because everyone who writes things like that on message boards follows through. Derp.

Bennett with some quality logic again.

 

[cartwright]

Nikolas Cruz, an Antifa fanatic, has been described as
"He was kind of an outcast. He didn't have many friends. He would do anything crazy for a laugh, but he was trouble."
Your typical Antifa loser. Domestic terrorists.

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Every single shooting alt right websites manufacture something to suggest it was antifa and most of the time it is bullshit. Let's wait and see.

For instance ....

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Either way, you're missing the point about gun violence in the US.

A lefty that is part of a white nationalist group. Interesting.

Not a very good argument when our suicide rates are just as high.

Also the focus on mass shootings seems a bit disproportionate, when there are gun fatalities in excess of 10K per year in the US, but we focus on incidents that comprise less than 1% of them.

The focus on children or teenagers gunned down at school is disproportionate? Really?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Florida this time. 17 dead. High school. Teachers and kids the victim.

What's sad is that I logged on in Perth and there wasn't a thread about this. Are we just that desensitized now to the US having these mass shootings every few weeks that we just shake our heads in shock and incredulity at the Yanks and their obsession with guns whereby this kind of thing is seen as normal or a reasonable price to pay for loose firearm laws?

Or is it just that we've seen it before and said it before and we know that nothing is going to change?

Seriously. How can they just sit there and do nothing while these horrific events keep happening?

And are we at the point of saturation where we'e long ago realised they aren't going to change?

(Sorry about the font; my phone does this sometimes).

There was a little bit of posting in the US gun control thread, but you are right I think we are desensitised and to a point now feel that the USA deserve what it gets for being ostriches about gun control with the suggested solutions about arming everyone and having good guys with guns.

I'm now at the point where I would open up refugee intake to yanks who want out and feel that's all we can now do. We have told them and told them but they just don't want to listen. Horse water and all that...

 

[Crankyhawk]

The only exception to my pacifism is my desire to see an NRA rally gunned down.

Leaders at NRA HQ for mine. I think a lot of the supporters have been brainwashed by that shittruck terrorist organisation which is a cancer in US society.

Yeah come and sue me you flogs.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Why isnt there an anti-gun lobby? One with the same or more power as the NRA?

The second amemdment to the US Constitution can be amended or repealed. It was an amendment to begin with lets not forget.

From wikipedia - re gun lobby and anti gun lobby spend
The NRA's Political Victory Fund super PAC spent $11.2 million in the 2012 election cycle,[79] and as of April 2014, it had raised $13.7 million for 2014 elections.[80] Michael Bloomberg's gun-control super PAC, Independence USA, spent $8.3 million in 2012[81][82] and $6.3 million in 2013.[83] Americans for Responsible Solutions, a PAC started by retired Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, raised $12 million in 2013,[84] and plans to raise $16 to $20 million by the 2014 elections.[85] The group's treasurer said that the funds would be enough to compete with the NRA "on an even-keel basis."[85]

Another way advocacy groups influence politics is through lobbying; some groups use lobbying firms, while others employ in-house lobbyists. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, gun politics groups with the most lobbyists in 2013 were: the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA); Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG); the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF); and the Brady Campaign.[86] Gun rights groups spent over $15.1 million lobbying in Washington D.C. in 2013, with the National Association for Gun Rights (NAGR) spending $6.7 million, and the NRA spending $3.4 million.[87] Gun control groups spent $2.2 million, with MAIG spending $1.7 million, and the Brady Campaign (anti gun) spending $250,000 in the same period.[88]

While the dollar amounts seem similar (for 2013, 11.2 + 15.1 = 26.3 million for pro gun, vs 8.3 + 12 + 2.2 = 22.5 million for anti gun) the anti gun doesn't seem to gain much traction. Maybe anti guns followers are in already deep democrat states while pro gun people are spread through swing states (this is a hypothesis only)

 

[Spirit Level]

Imagine being the parent of a school aged kid in the US, knowing there's a chance that on any given day they could be killed in that way.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Build a wall?

FFS, do nimrod conservatives even try to understand a problem before blaming foreigners?

Build the wall. Keep the crazy US citizens in away from the rest of the world. Open up in 100 years to recolonise.

 

[Crankyhawk]

They're in too deep now.

People often talk about the effectiveness of the Australian approach (approx 1 millions guns taken in the buyback), but America has at least 300x that amount.

Even if they took the necessary steps in congress and wanted to implement change (which seems highly unlikely), how on earth would they go about reclaiming 300 million guns from approx 200 million gun loving people?

Offer $$ for guns, will go a long way. Offer double cost price and ban new sales.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The focus on children or teenagers gunned down at school is disproportionate? Really?

I think he is getting at that there are generally way too many deaths by gun in the SUA and its not just the school shootings which are the problem as, horrifying as they are, comprise only a very small percentage of death by gun. So they need to do something about the general death by gun issue rather than specific measures for mass shootings only.

 

[Bennett.]

Yes because everyone who writes things like that on message boards follows through. Derp.

Bennett with some quality logic again.

It is incumbent on the authorities to actually do their due diligence on all threats. See something, say something I believe it is. Maybe if they weren’t so busy trying to create false collusion narratives....

By the way, you wouldn’t know logic if it ran over you in a Semi.

 

[Gough]

Imagine being the parent of a school aged kid in the US, knowing there's a chance that on any given day they could be killed in that way.

Remember all those drills you did at High School to prepare for an active shooter being in the building? Me neither.

 

[Bradesmaen]

It is incumbent on the authorities to actually do their due diligence on all threats. See something, say something I believe it is. Maybe if they weren’t so busy trying to create false collusion narratives....

By the way, you wouldn’t know logic if it ran over you in a Semi.

Did you even read the article? They investigated. You can't lock people up on suspicion with no evidence. He was legally allowed to have said weapons.

Keep up Christian Warrior.