Covid-19 Antivaxxers, extremism and the Coalition

[MrKK]

and lockdowns in the context of omicron + vaccination aren't effective; and probably even without vaccination weren't effective given omicrons contagiousness relative to original and alpha (recall that while vic locked down back to zero out of alpha, similar strategy did not work for delta)

They knew the transmissibility of Delta before the 6th lockdown but still persisted with it for 77 days.

It took 160+ days across 2 lockdowns to get back to zero with the Alpha strain. Let's hypothesise that cases of a new virus was detected today in Melbourne with the same virulence as Alpha, and you could be guaranteed to get it back to zero but it would require a 4-month lockdown. How many takers do you think you'd get?

 

[royale with cheese]

Your overly simplistic views on a topic which has been discussed and explained many times over are noted. Cheers and good day.

I stand by my assertion that the panicked reaction to covid will be seen as a form of collective madness by history.

 

[Chief]

I stand by my assertion that the panicked reaction to covid will be seen as a form of collective madness by history.

Again, because you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[royale with cheese]

Again, because you don't know what you are talking about.

I know as much as you or anyone else on this forum.

 

[Chief]

I know as much as you or anyone else on this forum.

OK, then you don't understand what you do know.

 

[royale with cheese]

OK, then you don't understand what you do know.

I understand it just fine. In the scale of pandemics it was minor and reacted to like it was smallpox.

 

[Chief]

I understand it just fine. In the scale of pandemics it was minor and reacted to like it was smallpox.

20 mil deaths is minor? OK bro.

 

[Mofra]

OK, then you don't understand what you do know.

"True wisdom is to know the extent one's ignorance"
- Confucius

"I'm the wisest man in Athens because I know that I know nothing"
- Socrates

 

[royale with cheese]

20 mil deaths is minor? OK bro.

20 million is an estimate that counts deaths from health services not delivered. Not a true estimate of the number of deaths directly from covid.

 

[Chief]

20 million is an estimate that counts deaths from health services not delivered. Not a true estimate of the number of deaths directly from covid.

 

[Crankyhawk]

They knew the transmissibility of Delta before the 6th lockdown but still persisted with it for 77 days.

It took 160+ days across 2 lockdowns to get back to zero with the Alpha strain. Let's hypothesise that cases of a new virus was detected today in Melbourne with the same virulence as Alpha, and you could be guaranteed to get it back to zero but it would require a 4-month lockdown. How many takers do you think you'd get?

Don’t know but part of the issue was that the rest of the country arsed their way to zero. So the alternative to lockdown would also include basically a hard border with the rest of the country.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I know as much as you or anyone else on this forum.

No, you don’t. Not about how hospitals work or disease processes.
You may have us covered in irrational cooker beliefs and the Magna Carta though.

 

[Frank Bunn]

I understand it just fine. In the scale of pandemics it was minor and reacted to like it was smallpox.

The Australian Health Sector Emergency Response Plan for Novel Coronavirus published in February 2020 goes into a little more detail on severity levels than the pandemic plan I mentioned earlier.

Low severity is compared to severe seasonal influenza or the 2009 influenza A(H1N1) pandemic. High severity is compared to 1918 H1N1 ‘Spanish flu’. Perhaps there's a case for Moderate severity.

People in at-risk groups may experience severe illness. As the number of cases grows the number of people presenting for medical care is likely to be higher than for severe seasonal influenza and primary care and hospital services will be under severe pressure, particularly in areas associated with respiratory illness and acute care.​

But somewhere along the line the considered plans were thrown out of the window. Even if the severity was assessed as Spanish flu level the measures went way beyond anything outlined in the plan.

 

[Frank Bunn]

well, like most governments, is only able to concentrate on a limited number of issues at once

• this would appear currently priorities for voice to parilament and also housing package
• theres also a current RC going into disability

thats my guess anyway

Apparently 20 million people died. We shut our international borders for two years. Closed state borders. Closed schools. Thousands of business shut down. We imposed curfews, 1 hour outside the house, 4 reasons to leave the house, 5km movement limits - all on people who were not sick.

But the government is a bit busy to look into it right now fails the sniff test.

 

[evolved2]

20 mil deaths is minor? OK bro.

That figure doesn't have much meaning. How many life-years and quality-adjusted life-years (QALYs) were lost?

Even more importantly, what did it cost to save those lives?

 

[Chief]

evolved2 you want to know how much it cost to save the 20 million lives that were lost?

 

[evolved2]

evolved2 you want to know how much it cost to save the 20 million lives that were lost?

Why do lefties only think of $$$ when someone mentions cost?

 

[Chief]

Why do lefties only think of $$$ when someone mentions cost?

OK: you want to know what it cost to save the lives of the 20 million people who died?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Apparently 20 million people died. We shut our international borders for two years. Closed state borders. Closed schools. Thousands of business shut down. We imposed curfews, 1 hour outside the house, 4 reasons to leave the house, 5km movement limits - all on people who were not sick.

But the government is a bit busy to look into it right now fails the sniff test.

Those people probably would have been sick if not for the measures imposed.

Its really frustrating that people can't comprehend this.


Oh we wasted money, and annoyed people by building a roof and making them stand under it during the storm. Hardly anyone got wet.

 

[evolved2]

OK: you want to know what it cost to save the lives of the 20 million people who died?

While I claim no expertise on the issue, I can tell you a little of the costs in Melbourne from listening to friends and colleagues, including school refusal and other mental health issues that propped up in children during/after Melbourne's lockdowns.

It's very one-dimensional to only think of lives lost, wouldn't you agree?

 

[evolved2]

Those people probably would have been sick if not for the measures imposed.

Its really frustrating that people can't comprehend this.


Oh we wasted money, and annoyed people by building a roof and making them stand under it during the storm. Hardly anyone got wet.

The state is nearly bankrupt because you refuse to get your feet wet. It's really frustrating that people can't comprehend this.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The state is nearly bankrupt because you refuse to get your feet wet. It's really frustrating that people can't comprehend this.

Luckily all those railway bridges and river tunnels were free. ( Not that i don't appreciate them while driving ).

 

[Crankyhawk]

Apparently 20 million people died. We shut our international borders for two years. Closed state borders. Closed schools. Thousands of business shut down. We imposed curfews, 1 hour outside the house, 4 reasons to leave the house, 5km movement limits - all on people who were not sick.

But the government is a bit busy to look into it right now fails the sniff test.

i think you missed the sark. Of course they should be doing it. But I have very low expectations of what government does
Hence the statement "concentrate on only a few things at a time"

 

[evolved2]

Luckily all those railway bridges and river tunnels were free. ( Not that i don't appreciate them while driving ).

Building bridges to protect you from irrational fears cost a lot more than those level crossing removals. I'm happy to see my taxes go to the latter fwiw.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Building bridges to protect you from irrational fears cost a lot more than those level crossing removals. I'm happy to see my taxes go to the latter fwiw.

I wasn't afraid of anything at any point in time. If you think it was a fear based reaction i think you are not understanding.
( your little building bridges to prot..... thing is kind of annoyingly stupid rather than witty ).

The logic behind it all seems to beyond your comprehension, while some of your intangible costs are imagined or at least the magnitude of them simply fabricated.

What measures would you have proposed?
How many would have died with your measures?
Would the measures that WERE taken have been more effective and less expensive if we didn't have such a recalcitrant population purposely undermining them?