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Are Victorians holding football back?
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We have over 42k members plus over 8000 on the waiting list (at a maximum of four tickets per person on the waiting list). Not including those who haven't bothered to sign up at all, and room for opposition fans I think we'd go OK.
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You're still a minnow, you only have a waiting list b/c you play at a toy ground.
Pfft, there would be no AFL without Victoria.
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Nor would there be without the other states. Victoria makes up the largest portion, but they are not the whole competition.
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Just like there would't have been a VFL/AFL without the interstate teams
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I think anyone who can hold their emotions out of it sees there are too many Victorian teams in the AFL. 2-3 need to go back to the VFL. They keep their culture that way and the supporters can still support the VFL team. I suspect 3 will be gone within a decade, making it a 16 team competition again with Tasmania joining.
noone is arguing there would be. it is an important part. but had afl not created a national competition, rugby and soccer would have taken over.
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Not disputing anything you are saying here, but just one question; if it were your team, would you not rather they be relocated and still compete at the highest level rather than be down-graded to the state comp?
That's right, but it still stands, no AFL without Victoria. The WAFL and the SANFL were not exactly pushing for expansion of their leagues (through lack of willingness or ability) and the SANFL had to be dragged to the party in 1990 against their will.
Where else would a national competiton originate from if not from Victoria? From thin air?
There'd be no AFL without the rest of Australia either. Just the VFL. Would that be better? **** no. You want the best, playing against the best. And the only way that can happen is if there is a unified top-level competition.
kane249
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South Melbourne supporters seem to have coped reasonably well with them moving to Sydney, Fitzroy supporters on the other hand for the most part loathe the fact they got merged with Brisbane so much so they formed a new Fitzroy Football club.
kane249
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The only reason the VFL introduced teams from WA and QLD was to bail out struggling teams in the VFL who were close to going under. So again, without the interstate clubs the VFL would have suffered greatly as it would have been forced to cull struggling teams.
I'm not arguing that fact.
BTW, the "new" Fitzroy Football Club is one and the same that was getting around at AFL level until '96.
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What's Victoria got to do with Western Sydney? They were begging for it.
HollyLovesWCE
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I agree, AFL would be nowhere today without the VFL... but that is in the past now and we are now looking to the future, are we not?
That's why the introduction of such teams as the GWS and CG is necessary, because it is a national market, or is atleast pushing to become one. SA and WA have their teams and there really isn't any need to add more, but I do see the need to move some Vic teams and/or create new ones so that there is an even spread. That's all i'm saying, and i have nothing against what you are saying, either, i just don't think that we agree.
Now the AFL needs to look outside the box further imo and consider Tassie and possibly the NT, so that all states are represented.
kane249
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Fair enough, although this pretty much proves the point that their supporters would rather have seen their side downgraded then relocated to Brisbane.
Sure, at the MCG we'd be unlikely to have a waiting list, I'll grant you that.
However we have the best on field record in the AFL, are the most profitable club in the league and have the most total members. Every club would like to be a minnow like that.
I have no problem if North/Melbourne/Dogs/etc feel that the best way forward is to relocate, then they should have the full support of the industry.
What would make me really disgusted is if these clubs were forced/corralled to make a decision that they really didn't want to, in the name of progress. All current clubs have a license to participate in the AFL and the clubs most likely to move have been in this league for anywhere up to a century. They have the right to self-determination, and should be supported to the full extent by the AFL, whatever choice they choose to make.
What the AFL did to Fitzroy was criminal, they consciously created a situation whereby they could not compete. Ask Roylion and the others getting around here, the initiatives that Fitzroy developed which were knocked back by AFL House proves that as fact. They would be better than even money chance to still be in this competition if they had the full support of the AFL.
The primary reason for the AFL's existence is to serve the 16 AFL clubs to the best of their ability. Sometimes I feel that is forgotten, especially during the whole North Melbourne/Gold Coast incident.
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That's just the thing though, Tandino, I don't think that at the moment the AFL's number 1 priority is to serve the 16 clubs, I think they have been preoccupied and have some sort of agenda which they feel is more important than footy itself, ie. $$$
However everything else said i agree with. There are pros and cons to both agruements.
The end, on my part. And you should join some sort of debate team!
However everything else said i agree with. There are pros and cons to both agruements.
The end, on my part. And you should join some sort of debate team!
I used to go to a lot of neutral games in Melbourne, it used to be a very social thing in Melbourne, had friends from many different clubs all rock up to eachothers games. We didn't care who was playing, we rocked up to the MCG and there was a game on and it was between two Vic clubs and there was atmosphere and it was enjoyable even for neutrals.
That is dead, or at best has one foot in the grave.
Have you rocked up to a VFL game of late? It is very different to SANFL, the game is marginally above TAC cup level games. It is putrid, because half the squad for each side is full of kids that are lucky to be reserve quality but its turned into a training event because AFL has taken over the VFA/VFL. You have to go into the lower grade to find games which mean anything to anyone.
Why should I give a shit if team X, Y and Z are in West Sydney, Gold Coast and Tasmania instead of Victoria? They are just going to be pooling players from the same pool anyway.
This whole argument is just a moronic penis envy thing. Do we give a shit that Rugby is 2/3rds NSW? Are we asking for them to disband their clubs and move them, get rid of SOO? No. We don't give a shit because we don't have an inferiority complex. Get over yourselves.
Your leagues capitualated to the VFL, that doesn't give you a right to expect our clubs to cease because you have a stick up your arse.
Hey knob we have 7000 on a waiting list waiting for an average of three memberships each and paying 55 dollars a year for the right to be on the list. Add that to the 38000 members we have and that is 59000 so suck it up princess.
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No. The primary reason for the AFL's existence, rightly or wrongly (most would say wrongly), is to put on a show for fans and make money out of it. It isn't a not-for-profit organisation, it's a business, and it's run as such. Most of the time, the interests of the clubs and the AFL overlap in this respect. However, this isn't always the case, and that's when you get situations like North/Gold Coast.
It's unfortunate, but that's capitalism for you.
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All North supporters are defensive because they know it's them who are going. No amount of whinging and whining on forums will stop it because it's just the way it's going to go.
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