Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Seeds]

I've always had a grudging respect for fundamentalist Islam because they don't pick and choose which bits of their holy book they follow and offer up timid excuses why god didn't really mean that when she said it. Religion is primitive however much you try and reinvent it.

Just fundamentalist islam or fundamentalist any religion. I agree with your point but not as islam specific. If i was religious I dont see how I would not be fundamentalist. You either believe it or not. You cant pick and choose parts and reinterpet to suit human needs. You either believe it or you dont.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Proselytism is hardly ritual or mere religiosity. Nor is taking centuries to build huge cathedrals. Or setting up organisations to send proselytising agents to the corners of the earth.

I don't know what that's got to do with anything as I never claimed atheism was a religion. I claimed it's an identity.

 

[Gough]

Atheism is as primitive as pond slime .

Forgive me, isn't that what the Bible says to do?

 

[Vdubs]

Yeah, those atheists wearing their atheist necklaces and atheist earrings and building gigantic atheist monuments in the centre of cities and congregating in them to sing and yell out loudly how much they love atheism and going around the world to different countries to tell people they should be atheists (often forcibly so) and making sculptures and paintings of the first atheist and congregating on street corners or knocking on the doors of private houses to tell people how much they love atheism and how those people should love atheism too.

Relentless, those atheists.

Yep, they go to gyms, idolising their mirrors; they go to cities, shopping centres, movies, sporting events, holidays; they spend countless hours on Netflix, social media, and hour after hour chasing their tails; they are shattered when their physical, mental or financial health is threatened.
Nothing wrong with that, until they start being threatened by "non- atheists" and display a facade of superiority in intellect, education and rational thinking, let alone courage. Because the reverse is more likely.

 

[Vdubs]

Yet again you attack the man and his posting style and then say 'you make it all about you'. If you are not interested in this thread why post here? Christianity is going to be ripped apart in this thread, if you don't like it..leave and stick to your sunday morning echo chambers.

I'll hang around here whenever the urge arises. No need for you to be the the gate-keeper. Christianity is always going to be the HOPE and deliver HOPE.

 

[Vdubs]

According to the Thread Title, this is Ask an Atheist.
It should be, Ask an anti- Christian, and by definition, ask an Anti-Theist.
There are no true atheists- you all worship something, most likely SELF, but whether it be family , friends, sports, exercise, materialism, possessions, sex, food, alcohol, whatever- these gods all replace the innate desire to know the one and only true God.
True or False, all you committed atheists.

 

[Roylion]

There are no true atheists-

Atheism is a rejection of the assertion that there are gods/deities/supernatural beings.

you all worship something, most likely SELF, but whether it be family , friends, sports, exercise, materialism, possessions, sex, food, alcohol, whatever- these gods all replace the innate desire to know the one and only true God.

Worship:
1. to honor or show reverence for as a divine being or supernatural power
2. to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion

God:
a supernatural being considered to be sacred and worthy of worship due to having authority over the universe, nature or human life.

There is no supporting evidence for any "one and only true god" much less an "innate desire" to know it.

That is yet another assertion by you without any kind of supporting evidence to back up your claim

 

[Total Power]

I'll hang around here whenever the urge arises. No need for you to be the the gate-keeper. Christianity is always going to be the HOPE and deliver HOPE.

Of course it delivers hope, just like Islam...that's undeniable. That's the only purpose it serves, i was one of them so i know where you come from. Bitter truth >>>> false hope. This is real life.

But if you are here, make sure you contribute instead of bitching and moaning and barking adhominems simply cause you are out of depth.

There is nothing you post that adds any value to the discussion, instead of having a go at me. I understand why you are doing that but as a 60 something year old man, grow up

 

[Total Power]

There are no true atheists-

Atheism is a lack of belief in deity. I do not believe in a deity, so i am an atheist..so are millions of people worldwide. The god of religion is made in mans image.

you all worship something

No i don't. Admiration is not 'worship'. Have you failed English? i worship no one.

, most likely SELF,

I am very critical of my-self...that's how i am where i am. If you not critical of self, you are most likely end up being religious or a failure in life. I have no primary education, yet i run quite large company....all this without worshipping a sky fairy.

but whether it be family , friends, sports, exercise, materialism, possessions, sex, food, alcohol, whatever- these gods all replace the innate desire to know the one and only true God.
True or False, all you committed atheists.

You have completely lost it, unable to defend your faith you are now attacking people you don't know.

Again, look up on the meaning of worship. All these are earthly pleasures, i am well aware of material needs and non-material needs. Feeding the street dog makes me happier than worshipping a sky fairy (one of them is real atleast). I run charities myself (i posted it here multiple times), gives me immense pleasure to contribute to the well being of so many.

I do not need a divine cookie like you guys do and then make loaded statements about people you have NFI about. I told you before and i will tell you again, stop assuming, you have NFI who i am and what i do.

The God of Christianity is clearly false and a made up story, i have provided evidence for 6 years here, you haven't defended your position except for parroting the tired old lines.

Special pleading doesn't make your statement true. Learn what evidence is.

 

[GrayRanga]

According to the Thread Title, this is Ask an Atheist.
It should be, Ask an anti- Christian, and by definition, ask an Anti-Theist.
There are no true atheists- you all worship something, most likely SELF, but whether it be family , friends, sports, exercise, materialism, possessions, sex, food, alcohol, whatever- these gods all replace the innate desire to know the one and only true God.
True or False, all you committed atheists.

I'm not an atheist

I don't really give a **** either way

I judge myself constantly and rarely meet the goals that i set myself.

I don't need obedience to bronze age belief system to judge myself and my inadequacies

Any adherents to this belief system can pass judgement on their own actions in accordance with their beliefs

 

[Total Power]

I'm not an atheist

I don't really give a **** either way

I judge myself constantly and rarely meet the goals that i set myself.

I don't need obedience to bronze age belief system to judge myself and my inadequacies

Any adherents to this belief system can pass judgement on their own actions in accordance with their beliefs

Exactly.Also all Christians pick and choose which parts they like. Is divorce wrong? in Mark Jesus says it's a sin. Homosexuality? women taking over men? atheism? How about slavery? masturbation?

Religions were created by men and they conform to the social mores of men, which change over time. Remember that at one time Yahweh was part of a pantheon of gods and now he is worshipped as the only god. This would not be the case if religions did not change over time.

People from the bronze age were incorrect about many things. Perhaps their perspective is not always relevant to modern day.

This is the crux of the matter:

There are folks here in agreement with you. They have verses to support your claim.

There are folks here who disagree with you. They have verses to support their claim.

What do you personally take from this situation, where the same source book leads two groups to two mutually exclusive conclusions?

Vdubs i hope can definitely realize that fact that your religion is merely a belief and cannot be used to judge or dictate how any other person lives.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I don't know what that's got to do with anything as I never claimed atheism was a religion. I claimed it's an identity.

You said atheists "hang out in groups baiting theists and other supernatural believers into discussions so you can tell them how their claims are bullshit".

Not only not true - because few atheists prosecute their case with anything like the sustained effort of proselytising religion; they simply want to live a life free of religious imposition - but I showed that if there is a "culprit" here, it's millennia of those proselytising religions, Christianity in particular.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

According to the Thread Title, this is Ask an Atheist.
It should be, Ask an anti- Christian, and by definition, ask an Anti-Theist.
There are no true atheists- you all worship something, most likely SELF, but whether it be family , friends, sports, exercise, materialism, possessions, sex, food, alcohol, whatever- these gods all replace the innate desire to know the one and only true God.
True or False, all you committed atheists.

Simply not true. I don't worship anything*. I really don't. In fact I'm opposed to the notion of worship.



*Though I did have a bit of a crush on Buddy Franklin.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Atheism is as primitive as pond slime .

Science, on the other hand, which underpins the worldview of a lot of these pond slime atheists, shows the religious explanations for the origins of the world to be not fit for purpose.

FMD it's been several centuries since the start of the Enlightenment, and while science has only continued to explain more and more about life and the universe (while, unlike religion, never claiming to have all the answers), religion has been shown to be utterly lacking.

Religion has offered no comeback whatsoever to science over the last several centuries.

Except to disingenuously push for belief to be allowed the same esteem as facts and truth.

 

[ManInTheArena]

You said atheists "hang out in groups baiting theists and other supernatural believers into discussions so you can tell them how their claims are bullshit".

How is responding "but religion is way worse than atheism" relevant to that statement?

I couldn't care less about which is worse.

Not only not true - because few atheists prosecute their case with anything like the sustained effort of proselytising religion;

Again, why are we comparing it with religion here?

I actually couldn't care because I wasn't talking about it on moral grounds, because moral grounds don't exist in reality. I was talking about a group of peoiple hanging out for a common cause, and therefore having an identity ("atheist") that requires action to maintain.

they simply want to live a life free of religious imposition - but I showed that if there is a "culprit" here, it's millennia of those proselytising religions, Christianity in particular.

The majority of the population were Christians. What else did you expect to happen? That's how societal rules occur - the majority.

What now though, are you just going to wollow around because it happened? "oh poor me, Christians were the majority once, and now look, I have to live in this country with relics from that in it even though it's one of the most priveledged societies in the world".

Boo hoo.

You might think "but we need to fight to change the relics", except you're not chamging s*. Society shifts and you're not the cause of that shift. You're not even a part of it. You're on a f*ing internet forum. You're lurking around waiting for theists to say something so you can self-gratify yourself in how smart you are compared to the "idiot believer" who wanders into the trap.

Be honest with yourselves, you're doing it for your own mental masturbation and you're not actually doing jack s* else.

One day there won't be any theists and you won't even exist as a definition because the definition relies on theists existing in the first place. You need theists because you identity as an atheist, so all atheists do now is set honey traps for theists (who they need in order to exist) so they can make themsleevs relevant and feel good about themselves. I don't believe in gods and guess what? theists have no impact on my life whatesoever because I don't idenitfy as an athiest and I therefore don't need them, nor need to trap them for my own gratification and perpetuation of the existence of my own false identity.

What I orginally stumbled here for was to ask if an "atheist" even exists, because not only does it rely on theists to exist, but no identity actually exists in true reality. Identities are a human fabrication.

I think the only purpose of this thread is as a honey trap for theists to stumble into so atheists can feel good about themselves temporarily. Not only that, if atheists don't exist then the whole thread is a complete delusion and may as well be titled "Ask a fairy". Which is why I asked the orginal question; do atheists even exist?

 

[Roylion]

I think the only purpose of this thread is as a honey trap for theists to stumble into so atheists can feel good about themselves temporarily. Not only that, if atheists don't exist then the whole thread is a complete delusion and may as well be titled "Ask a fairy". Which is why I asked the orginal question; do atheists even exist?

As I said earlier, the original title of this thread, which was started by someone who labelled themselves as a Christian, was "Ask a Christian". It was started by a Christian to essentially proselytize their beliefs. It was called "Ask a Christian" for 2-3 years.

The title of the thread was then changed by a mod to "Ask an Atheist". That was not at anyone's request. I didn't agree with the name change then and I don't agree with it now.

 

[ManInTheArena]

As I said earlier, the original title of this thread, which was started by someone who labelled themselves as a Christian, was "Ask a Christian". It was started by a Christian to essentially proselytize their beliefs. It was called "Ask a Christian" for 2-3 years.

The title of the thread was then changed by a mod to "Ask an Atheist". That was not at anyone's request. I didn't agree with the name change then and I don't agree with it now.

I can rephrase it to "I think the only purpose of rewording the title of this thread is as a honey trap for theists..."

It doesn't really make much difference to what I said whether it was created or reworded, nor if you agree with the rewording.

Atheists did it and here it is.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I can rephrase it to "I think the only purpose of rewording the title of this thread is as a honey trap for theists..."

It doesn't really make much difference to what I said whether it was created or reworded, nor if you agree with the rewording.

Atheists did it and here it is.

If god existed and had supernatural powers, he/she could easily change the thread title

 

[Roylion]

Atheists did it and here it is.

Atheists did what.

 

[Boston tiger]

Science, on the other hand, which underpins the worldview of a lot of these pond slime atheists, shows the religious explanations for the origins of the world to be not fit for purpose.

FMD it's been several centuries since the start of the Enlightenment, and while science has only continued to explain more and more about life and the universe (while, unlike religion, never claiming to have all the answers), religion has been shown to be utterly lacking.

Religion has offered no comeback whatsoever to science over the last several centuries.

Except to disingenuously push for belief to be allowed the same esteem as facts and truth.

The church says light travels at 300,000 km/s. Happy now

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The church says light travels at 300,000 km/s. Happy now

The church by and large now acknowledges science's superiority but yet still pretends its explanations of the origin of things is somehow also valid. The very definition of a state of denial.

 

[Chief]

If god existed and had supernatural powers, he/she could easily change the thread title

Yes I could.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

How is responding "but religion is way worse than atheism" relevant to that statement?

I couldn't care less about which is worse.


Again, why are we comparing it with religion here?

I actually couldn't care because I wasn't talking about it on moral grounds, because moral grounds don't exist in reality. I was talking about a group of peoiple hanging out for a common cause, and therefore having an identity ("atheist") that requires action to maintain.



The majority of the population were Christians. What else did you expect to happen? That's how societal rules occur - the majority.

What now though, are you just going to wollow around because it happened? "oh poor me, Christians were the majority once, and now look, I have to live in this country with relics from that in it even though it's one of the most priveledged societies in the world".

Boo hoo.

You might think "but we need to fight to change the relics", except you're not chamging s*. Society shifts and you're not the cause of that shift. You're not even a part of it. You're on a f*ing internet forum. You're lurking around waiting for theists to say something so you can self-gratify yourself in how smart you are compared to the "idiot believer" who wanders into the trap.

Be honest with yourselves, you're doing it for your own mental masturbation and you're not actually doing jack s* else.

One day there won't be any theists and you won't even exist as a definition because the definition relies on theists existing in the first place. You need theists because you identity as an atheist, so all atheists do now is set honey traps for theists (who they need in order to exist) so they can make themsleevs relevant and feel good about themselves. I don't believe in gods and guess what? theists have no impact on my life whatesoever because I don't idenitfy as an athiest and I therefore don't need them, nor need to trap them for my own gratification and perpetuation of the existence of my own false identity.

What I orginally stumbled here for was to ask if an "atheist" even exists, because not only does it rely on theists to exist, but no identity actually exists in true reality. Identities are a human fabrication.

I think the only purpose of this thread is as a honey trap for theists to stumble into so atheists can feel good about themselves temporarily. Not only that, if atheists don't exist then the whole thread is a complete delusion and may as well be titled "Ask a fairy". Which is why I asked the orginal question; do atheists even exist?

Jeez what a lot of codswallop. Really hard to know where to begin, but suffice to say, your assertions that atheists hang around in groups waiting to mug believers, and that atheists need theists in order to identify as atheists, are simply wrong and undermine pretty much everything else you're saying. No idea what your agenda is other than that it's rather confused.

 

[Vdubs]

As I said earlier, the original title of this thread, which was started by someone who labelled themselves as a Christian, was "Ask a Christian". It was started by a Christian to essentially proselytize their beliefs. It was called "Ask a Christian" for 2-3 years.

The title of the thread was then changed by a mod to "Ask an Atheist". That was not at anyone's request. I didn't agree with the name change then and I don't agree with it now.

The thread was never moderated - anything was said that would never get through elsewhere- and then suddenly, the poster /mod , self-admitted atheist, changed the title.

 

[Roylion]

The thread was never moderated -

It was moderated. A great deal of material, from this thread alone, has been deleted and posters banned.