Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[liz]

Maupin weaves some extreme transubstantiation into More Tales of the City.

The only reason I have a clue what transubstantiation is.

 

[Gough]

The only reason I have a clue what transubstantiation is.

I knew what Guillan Barre syndrome was when Clarko got it thanks to that book too.

 

[Total Power]

Religious people when it comes to the Bible:

"It's the word of God".

then when you point out all the stupid shit that makes zero sense.

"They're just allegories".

Heathens say we get our morals from the bible, but the bible contains both things we consider right and wrong so the moral argument becomes irrelevant. If you have a book that contains all right and wrong ways of life, but select only what maybe considered good then YOU are defining how to live, not the book. I have asked this question multiple times here but as usual haven't gotten an answer.

But im ok with the suggestion that there is symbolism and metaphors used in the bibles. Could someone go ahead and explain these then and what "lesson" is being imparted?! Like for example when David brings 200 foreskins to Saul for example... WTF? or God asking Onan to screw his brothers wife for a baby?

 

[Vdubs]

Another BS made up doctrine. If God knew everything we would do in our lives before we were born then he IS forcing us to sin, because we never could have done anything else. Everything we will ever do was decided before we were born, and we can never do otherwise. If God doesn't know the choices we will make then he isn't really omniscient.

On top of that threatening to torture you if you don't want a relationship with him for the choices he knows you are gonna make isn't narcissism apparently.

Interesting that you NEVER focus on or comment on Jesus' teaching on LOVE. That is what you educated smart people miss out on. You can ridicule as much as takes your fancy, but the truth is that those who have a RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus, and have experienced His love, and do so on a daily basis, are absolutely convicted by that love and every argument you bring up can never dilute that reality.

This forum can never do that reality justice, because Christianity is ALL about RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus. We have it. You don't. It doesn't have to be that way forever, but it's your choice, and all your research and cynicism can get you where you are today- coming on forums spluttering and stumbling about how educated people can still proclaim God and Jesus as real, despite all your "evidence".

 

[Anzacpaul]

Interesting that you NEVER focus on or comment on Jesus' teaching on LOVE. That is what you educated smart people miss out on. You can ridicule as much as takes your fancy, but the truth is that those who have a RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus, and have experienced His love, and do so on a daily basis, are absolutely convicted by that love and every argument you bring up can never dilute that reality.

This forum can never do that reality justice, because Christianity is ALL about RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus. We have it. You don't. It doesn't have to be that way forever, but it's your choice, and all your research and cynicism can get you where you are today- coming on forums spluttering and stumbling about how educated people can still proclaim God and Jesus as real, despite all your "evidence".

It's pretty hard for a sensible person to love God when the average person on the street would make a better God than him.

 

[Vdubs]

It's pretty hard for a sensible person to love God when the average person on the street would make a better God than him.

Tell us about your ideal God. Father Christmas - like?

 

[Roylion]

This forum can never do that reality justice, because Christianity is ALL about RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus. We have it. You don't.

I see no reason to suggest there is any relationship whatsoever between "god" (whatever 'god' is) and humanity via a person that has been dead for nearly 2,000 years, other than as part of the human imagination.

It doesn't have to be that way forever, but it's your choice,

A 'choice' made on the basis there is no evidence that any such relationship truly exists, other than as part of the human imagination.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Tell us about your ideal God. Father Christmas - like?

It's certainly not the God of the bible, who for the most powerful entity to ever exist is portrayed as the equivalent of Homer Simpson trying to assemble a bbq from scratch.

Though he seemed to have a couple of goes at resetting his game, damn bugs in the coding I guess.

The only type of God I can accept is the kind that built the earth for his own scientific experiment, regardless of the outcome.

 

[Vdubs]

I see no reason to suggest there is any relationship whatsoever between "god" (whatever 'god' is) and humanity via a person that has been dead for nearly 2,000 years, other than as part of the human imagination.




A 'choice' made on the basis there is no evidence that any such relationship truly exists, other than as part of the human imagination.

I see no reason to suggest there is any relationship whatsoever between "god" (whatever 'god' is) and humanity via a person that has been dead for nearly 2,000 years, other than as part of the human imagination.




A 'choice' made on the basis there is no evidence that any such relationship truly exists, other than as part of the human imagination.

 

[Vdubs]

It's certainly not the God of the bible, who for the most powerful entity to ever exist is portrayed as the equivalent of Homer Simpson trying to assemble a bbq from scratch.

Though he seemed to have a couple of goes at resetting his game, damn bugs in the coding I guess.

The only type of God I can accept is the kind that built the earth for his own scientific experiment, regardless of the outcome.

Who knows. Time will eventually tell.

 

[Total Power]

Interesting that you NEVER focus on or comment on Jesus' teaching on LOVE.

Cause you do not read my posts. I have said it MANY TIMES, plenty of things Jesus said was good, however they were not original and was pre-existing.

Here is a question for you. Why don't you give the original authors the credit for what they said before Jesus???? which the authors of the Gospels clearly copied???

Have you read Buddhism? Conficiousism? from turning the other cheek to love thy neighbour, from feeding the poor to not not to be greedy.

for example:

Jesus: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Luke 6:31
Buddha: "Consider others as yourself." Dhammapada 10:1
Jesus: "Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." Matthew 25:45
Buddha: "If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." Vinaya, Mahavagga 8:26.3

Ignorant? not me ...that's you.

Jesus: "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." Luke 6:29
Buddha: "If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." Majjhima Nikaya 21:6

Which one came first?????

Why don't you give Buddhism a go, with an open mind. It's basically Christianity without the afterlife cookie and all the terrible things like sexism, racism and sending you to hell.

It's your choice to stay ignorant and brainwashed but why not give it a read? you might be pleasantly surprised and ditch the falsehood however sweet it may sound?

Who knows but time is running out mate, but i wish you luck.

That is what you educated smart people miss out on.

I haven't missed out on anything, like all your arguments you are again cherrypicking what i say just like you cherrypick the Bible.

You can ridicule as much as takes your fancy, but the truth is that those who have a RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus, and have experienced His love, and do so on a daily basis, are absolutely convicted by that love and every argument you bring up can never dilute that reality.

I am not here to dilute your fantasy or your heathens fantasy. Whatever makes you or someone else sleep better in life i am all for it. Go harder with the bloke in your head

This forum can never do that reality justice, because Christianity is ALL about RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus.

Cool. I never argued against special pleading, again, what you believe in is not my business and i don't give a ****. I am here to have a discussion on the Bible, not about your personal beliefs.

If you believe something to be true, then it's most possibly true to you. That's how all religions work, UFO, Alien abductions, ghost sighting, paranormal etc works. This isn't exactly a secret, it's science. Good things if it happens = omg look Jesus turned my life around, bad things = oh well i am sinner, i deserve this. God is testing my faith and teaching me things.

It's a zero sum game, you can't lose. Why do you think EVERY SINGLE RELIGION claim the same thing as you?

We have it. You don't.

Yep i choose not to be gullible. I see it as a good thing, you don't, that's ok

It doesn't have to be that way forever, but it's your choice, and all your research and cynicism can get you where you are today- coming on forums spluttering and stumbling about how educated people can still proclaim God and Jesus as real, despite all your "evidence".

I spent 20 years of my life being ignorant and gullible. I have finally seen the light and you say this is a bad thing. I am true to my conscience, there simply cannot be the God of Bible period. There can be god(s), but it's not the one you think it is. Mountains of evidence presented against it, most of it you ignored, some of it you tried to squirm, but in the end the only answer you have is special pleading.

No one is stopping you from believing what you want. Go hard, but those of us who escaped Christianity, we don't wanna fall back again

 

[Total Power]

Who knows. Time will eventually tell.

Now that we have spoken about the good things, why don't you ever speak about the BAD? exactly. Keep sweeping those under the carpet and follow what you wish to, based on your own morality. But god said it, you gotta follow it in its entirety , but the parts you want to follow.

The one thing he taught that I couldn't possibly understand is why he said that you have to hate your mother, father, sister, brother and even your life in order to follow him.

He is asking for complete subservience at the expense of damaging and abandoning relationships with the ones you love and care, is that really the teaching of a man who should be admired and loved by billions of people today?.

Jesus is, by no means, a perfect teacher and a man to be revered and admired because there are a lot of things he taught that wouldn't sound right today if someone else said these things.

The only reason why his legend persists today is because of how the church has adapted his imagery and characterized who he is through verses and alleged miracles he performed in the bible into all that christians believe that he is.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Tell us about your ideal God. Father Christmas - like?

For a start, not capricious, pedantic, mercurial, vain, petty and contradictory like the Christian god.

 

[Gough]

Interesting that you NEVER focus on or comment on Jesus' teaching on LOVE. That is what you educated smart people miss out on. You can ridicule as much as takes your fancy, but the truth is that those who have a RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus, and have experienced His love, and do so on a daily basis, are absolutely convicted by that love and every argument you bring up can never dilute that reality.

This forum can never do that reality justice, because Christianity is ALL about RELATIONSHIP with God through Jesus. We have it. You don't. It doesn't have to be that way forever, but it's your choice, and all your research and cynicism can get you where you are today- coming on forums spluttering and stumbling about how educated people can still proclaim God and Jesus as real, despite all your "evidence".

I'm not sure people like my mum felt a lot of love from their 1950s Catholic education.

 

[Total Power]

For a start, not capricious, pedantic, mercurial, vain, petty and contradictory like the Christian god.

I can still tolerate him, he is a bit of an attention seeking whore but his fan club is the one i have problems with.

“The Gods have proclaimed Christ to have been most pious, but the Christians are a confused and vicious sect.”
― Porphyry

Proof is in this thread.

 

[Vdubs]

I'm not sure people like my mum felt a lot of love from their 1950s Catholic education.

I was there too 60's and 70's.

 

[Vdubs]

I can still tolerate him, he is a bit of an attention seeking whore but his fan club is the one i have problems with.

“The Gods have proclaimed Christ to have been most pious, but the Christians are a confused and vicious sect.”
― Porphyry

Proof is in this thread.

Christians are certainly far from perfect.
PM discussions are probably better than the dialogues that exist here, because it is all about relationship, love, and changed lives, and that simply can not be expressed meaningfully here. But it is absolutely real for those who have had these experiences.

 

[Total Power]

Christians are certainly far from perfect.
PM discussions are probably better than the dialogues that exist here, because it is all about relationship, love, and changed lives, and that simply can not be expressed meaningfully here. But it is absolutely real for those who have had these experiences.

Absolutely! Religion has some advantages no doubt. Just like ghosts, UFOs , Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc, the believers in these things will swear by it that it's real. In indigenous culture ghost stories are very popular. From my father to grandfather they have all seen ghosts. Are they lying? nope. It's true to them.

I have seen Christ when I did Ketamine as a teenager. Instant God. I even spoke with him. Plenty of such stories are available in many places on the internet.

If you believe something to be true it's true to you and your mind. Every religion works the same way. This is why i keep telling you, why are Muslims do devout and feel the presence of Allah all the time? are they ALL lying?

My lifes changed since ditching religion, if i was praying i would have paid all the credit to the sky fairy. That's how it works.
If your theory however was true, there wouldn't be a sizable percentage of heathens (more than atheists) suffering from mental health issues.

However i do concede religion has some advantages (all religions).

 

[Total Power]

 

[western royboy]

Tell us about your ideal God. Father Christmas - like?

Why wish for something that does not exist? I don’t have an ideal “God” - I doubt any atheist would. It’s idiocy to think like that.

 

[GrayRanga]

Why wish for something that does not exist? I don’t have an ideal “God” - I doubt any atheist would. It’s idiocy to think like that.

i hold "God" to the same levels of moral accountability as I hold myself.

Christians can talk about sin all they want and judge others for not achieving a sinless life

:God" gets a consistant "F"

 

[Anzacpaul]

Who knows. Time will eventually tell.

When comparing the history of everything, I'll take 2000 years of scientific experiment and advancement over a 2000 year old book full of inconsistencies.

 

[Vdubs]

Why wish for something that does not exist? I don’t have an ideal “God” - I doubt any atheist would. It’s idiocy to think like that.

why not check what the reply was to..?

 

[Total Power]

i hold "God" to the same levels of moral accountability as I hold myself.

Christians can talk about sin all they want and judge others for not achieving a sinless life

:God" gets a consistant "F"

My "gotcha" question in this vein is: Should someone who brags about torturing a woman and killing her children be considered a role model, peaceful, or loving?

“To the angel of the church in Thyatira write:

These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze. 19 I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first.

20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 2&version=NIV


Loving, kind and caring.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

I'm not sure people like my mum felt a lot of love from their 1950s Catholic education.

absolutely! i was in the sixties. It was a religion of terror and hate. I cant be bothered looking at this thread though coz I know it will be full of god-bothering bullshit which has already pretty much rooted my life (metaphor intended). I cant listen to people crap on about jesus anymore.