Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Total Power]

So a nothing answer.
You guys have issues with experiential Christianity, but no qualms to extol atheism based purely on faith.
That is your call.
So no point asking an atheist a question it seems.
Thread dead?

It's not dead, you are here trying seek validation and utterly failing at it, pretty much like all your desperate efforts of the past 5 years. Atheism is the absence of belief in a deity. Atheists can belief in all sorts of weird things outside of religion. Atheists can spiritual too, plenty of atheists were. Einstein himself said he was an atheist when it came to a personal God.

Why are you this ignorant?

 

[Total Power]

Yet I ask again, if no God, how then do you explain atrocities by mankind, and why the anger at God?

Mankind has killed much less than the God of the Bible who has killed his entire creation (almost), multiple times. From sanctioning rape to sex slaves, to paedophilia, flogging a child, women being inferior etc etc...no matter what we do we can never overtake your 'divine being' in terms of attrocities.

Read your own Bible, without cherry picking. How many atrocities are there in Isiah, the chapter you like to quote when it suits you?? except all attrocities are GOOD when there's a divine hand in it?

I asked you before and i will ask you again, under what context would you think rape and infanticide is completely ok?

Crickets..........again

 

[Roylion]

Yes, my points exactly.
You can not disprove God.

I can't disprove anything that has been imagined by man.

Any claims to the form or creed of supernatural beings such as god are the products of human imagination. They have to be, as the existence, form or creed of 'God' is unknowable.

I live my life without concern for observing the worship of an unknowable god and do not concern myself with attempting to 'know' whatever 'God' is, who is unknowable. Christians can imagine their god how they like and imagine their relationship with it anyway they like. If they choose to regard ancient writings that imagine 'God' as some sort of evidence for their own imaginings, then that is their choice, but shouldn't expect others to believe their claims to truth.

So I'm going to treat with disbelief and incredulity, those who claim to definitely 'know' that there is a god or gods through their own 'experiences' or that they know the 'will' or 'form' of such a supernatural being through the reading of a 'Holy' text or other works.

I neither know..nor care...if 'God', or 'god', or 'gods' exist/s. These figments of human imagination are immaterial to me.

Many mortal men have a yearning for depth in their lives, deeper than the libraries or places you read in, and God fulfills that and is entirely possible.

There is no evidence for the existence of 'God'.

Apart from my own experience, I can of course not prove God.

Why should I take into account your 'own experience'? That is no better than myself claiming to have experienced the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

But by my reasoning, and life experience, Christianity offers me, and clearly billions others, THE BEST and MOST LIKELY explanation.

And for billions of others Christianity does NOT offer the best and most likely explanation. Why should I accept Christianity, over any other creed?

Given that there is a possibility of reality,

There is NO supporting evidence for the existence of God. That you claim 'God's' existence to be true is merely an unsubstantiated claim. Hence I see no reason to believe what you claim.

it is on you to be ENTIRELY dismissive of God without proof, as you can not prove atheism either.

See above.

 

[Chief]

You can not disprove God.

Because the story is designed not to be falsifiable. You're using "disprove" in the wrong way.

What else can you not disprove?

 

[Boston tiger]

To rid ourselves of God we would have to lose our ability to philosophise. God isn’t a science question .. it’s a philosophical question.
We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

To rid ourselves of God we would have to lose our ability to philosophise. God isn’t a science question .. it’s a philosophical question.
We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

Waddya mean? We are ridding ourselves of god through philosophy just as much as science.

The primacy of the scientific explanation for the origins of the world has not rendered philosophy meaningless.

 

[Chief]

Whether ancient humans attributed a volcano's regular eruptions to a god or to geological forces made not enough difference to passing on our genes to matter.

Doesn't mean the supernatural explanations are right.

 

[carltonchelsea]

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Have any of you true atheists considered you are also proclaiming your atheism by faith alone? You can never disprove God.

Yeah sure, if faith is belief without evidence, then it follows that atheism is faith I guess!
You’re right again, strangely, one can’t prove something by its unfalsifiability.
I can’t prove Santa or fairies or demons don’t exist either!

 

[carltonchelsea]

To rid ourselves of God we would have to lose our ability to philosophise. God isn’t a science question .. it’s a philosophical question.
We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

Nonsense, god is a scientific claim.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Have any of you true ATHEISTS ever read the gem of a book by C.S. Lewis- Mere Christianity?

Have any of you true atheists considered you are also proclaiming your atheism by faith alone? You can never disprove God.

thats not the way it works mate. You also can't disprove the Easter Bunny

 

[evolved2]

Have any of you true ATHEISTS ever read the gem of a book by C.S. Lewis- Mere Christianity?

Have any of you true atheists considered you are also proclaiming your atheism by faith alone? You can never disprove God.

Atheism is a faith like baldness is a hair colour.

The default position to any supernatural or extraordinary claim presented without evidence is disbelief. If someone told you that anal-probing aliens are real, would your disbelief be faith or a rational response to an extraordinary claim?

You can't prove anal probing aliens aren't real. You can't prove Essendon won't win the next 10 premierships. You can't prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real.

The onus is on theists to provide objective evidence and a testable hypothesis for their deity. Since you have failed to do so, the reasonable response is disbelief.

We must have been through this same line of discussion 100 times or more - why don't you understand? Feeling the presence of god, changed lives, roleplaying at church on Sunday doesn't make your book real.

He came to Christianity as an atheist and wanted there to be no God. Hardly an apologetic. An example of a very educated man coming to faith , amidst science, wars, injuries, loss, and personal hardship.
Your mechanistic and hard-nosed replies do not take away from the fact that you are indeed still searching, waiting for someone to prove God- which sadly will never happen in your terms.

I'm genuinely not searching at all, not for god anyway.

It's fascinating how you filter things through god-goggles. If someone leaves Christianity, they must have been hurt and are angry with god. If someone leaves atheism, they found god in the midst personal hardship.

Faith is a losing battle for educated people like yourself. There's a part of your mind that has the tools necessary to liberate you from your cult, and you deliberately push it down through bible study, prayer groups, and being around others who pretend to be living free.

It's fascinating watching the game from afar, and all so obvious now. You ask god for something, then another thing happens and you interpret it as god answering in his own way.

I have a question for you:

If someone was caught in a wrong faith, cult, or wrongful way of thinking regarding religion (even if it was atheism), how would they know it?

 

[Total Power]

We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

You mean we can start loving real people like our own family/friends ahead of fictitious ones? ah such a bad thing!!!

Religion had it's chance for the past 2,000 years and failed utterly at it. Why do you think you deserve more? Religious countries are still at war, today.

And yeah yes, merry christmas, another date/concept/idea stolen from other mythologies.

Very original, all of it.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

To rid ourselves of God we would have to lose our ability to philosophise. God isn’t a science question .. it’s a philosophical question.
We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

Collection plate is a spectrum.

 

[carltonchelsea]

To rid ourselves of God we would have to lose our ability to philosophise. God isn’t a science question .. it’s a philosophical question.
We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

You’re ****ing obsessed with autism mate, are you on the spectrum?

 

[Gethelred]

To rid ourselves of God we would have to lose our ability to philosophise. God isn’t a science question .. it’s a philosophical question.
We may lose our ability to philosophise. It’s happening already with those with autistic traits now been able to make money and therefore attract a mate and passing on the gene. ( you know the drill).
It’s not too much of a stretch to see a future human race with only the ability to do science like our primate cousins.

Merry Christmas everyone. Sleep tight .

How... eugenicist of you.

 

[Total Power]

There is no God but Allah! imagine surviving a plane crash.

 

[CM86]

Why is it so common for people with a religious background, to use "faith" and "religion" as a pejorative?

The "religion of atheism", "faith in science", etc.
I believe the insinuation is to liken these things to a cult.

If having 'faith' in something, or being part of a 'religion' means that all arguments can be dismissed, why do they stick with theirs?

 

[LFTWNG11]

Why is it so common for people with a religious background, to use "faith" and "religion" as a pejorative?

The "religion of atheism", "faith in science", etc.
I believe the insinuation is to liken these things to a cult.

If having 'faith' in something, or being part of a 'religion' means that all arguments can be dismissed, why do they stick with theirs?

Whenever I hear this pejorative, I understand it as “you’re as stupid as me”.

I also didn’t realise autism was responsible for the philosophical decay of society… honestly, how stupid do you have to be?

 

[Vdubs]

There is no God but Allah! imagine surviving a plane crash.

God. Matters not what you call him. Muslims worship the same one and only Creator God as Christians do, but clearly do not agree that Jesus is God.


Many were praying on that flight. Very fortunate this time.

 

[Vdubs]

Why is it so common for people with a religious background, to use "faith" and "religion" as a pejorative?

The "religion of atheism", "faith in science", etc.
I believe the insinuation is to liken these things to a cult.

If having 'faith' in something, or being part of a 'religion' means that all arguments can be dismissed, why do they stick with theirs?

Agree with NONE of your assertions.

 

[liz]

God. Matters not what you call him. Muslims worship the same one and only Creator God as Christians do, but clearly do not agree that Jesus is God.


Many were praying on that flight. Very fortunate this time.

So why did some survive and others not? We’re the ones who died not praying correctly? Or hard enough? Or is God (or Allah) cruel and capricious?

 

[Total Power]

God. Matters not what you call him. Muslims worship the same one and only Creator God as Christians do, but clearly do not agree that Jesus is God.


Many were praying on that flight. Very fortunate this time.

Muslims do not worship the same God. How many times do i need to tell you that? are you suggesting there are multiple gods? Without Jesus you do not have a religion, so no matter what you say it's a DIFFERENT god and maybe the only real god?

But apart from that why did God choose to save him? i am sure others were praying as well.

But you missed the point. These claims are not unique to any religion. I can show Hinduism and Buddhist claims as well. Saying they worship one God is a cop out, there are clearly multiple Gods if miracles like this happen or you saying it's important to believe in Jesus?

Jesus is not allah. Muslims refute Trinity, in other words they say Jesus was just a human. With this context in mind where does that leave you? you worship Jesus , not YWH.

 

[Total Power]

Agree with NONE of your assertions.

You do not need to agree with science, it's true unless proven otherwise. No one cares if you disagree.

Everything you say stems from the twisted human belief we are the center of the universe. You can't be a supreme and special life form unless you have a deity in your own mind that says you are...right? Therefore as Voltaire said, "If god did not exist it would be necessary to event him."

The fact is the universe doesn't give two shits if humanity lives or goes extinct. It will just keep going on business as usual.

 

[Vdubs]

Muslims do not worship the same God. How many times do i need to tell you that? are you suggesting there are multiple gods? Without Jesus you do not have a religion, so no matter what you say it's a DIFFERENT god and maybe the only real god?

But apart from that why did God choose to save him? i am sure others were praying as well.

But you missed the point. These claims are not unique to any religion. I can show Hinduism and Buddhist claims as well. Saying they worship one God is a cop out, there are clearly multiple Gods if miracles like this happen or you saying it's important to believe in Jesus?

Jesus is not allah. Muslims refute Trinity, in other words they say Jesus was just a human. With this context in mind where does that leave you? you worship Jesus , not YWH.

You are simply wrong, no matter how many times you repeat your mantra. God, the only Creator God, who is called Allah by Muslims, is God. I too know many muslims, and they all say we worship the same God. That IS THE POINT. No other point. God the Creator, well before Jesus was born, is the God that Muslims worship. You can leave aside Jesus and Trinity as Muslims do not accept this. So what . There is one Creator God.
Jesus IS who separates us from the rest as Jesus makes sense, and to our way of assessment, the most logical way to get to God the Father. That muslims do not believe this is fine, nor the Jews. But God is God.

 

[Vdubs]

So why did some survive and others not? We’re the ones who died not praying correctly? Or hard enough? Or is God (or Allah) cruel and capricious?

Why did the plane crash?
The survivors were spared this time, but one thing for certain, we will all face death.
God has His time for all of us.

Tell us Liz- what exactly would you do in that scene?
Pray, or be resigned to your fate?
Some people only pray once they face death.