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You are simply wrong, no matter how many times you repeat your mantra. God, the only Creator God, who is called Allah by Muslims, is God.
And He is not Jesus. According to Muslims God has never appeared on earth. Which renders your belief invalid.


I too know many muslims, and they all say we worship the same God. That IS THE POINT. No other point. God the Creator, well before Jesus was born, is the God that Muslims worship. You can leave aside Jesus and Trinity as Muslims do not accept this. So what . There is one Creator God.
This isn't Jesus , Jesus is a human no more than you and I.


Jesus IS who separates us from the rest as Jesus makes sense, and to our way of assessment, the most logical way to get to God the Father. That muslims do not believe this is fine, nor the Jews. But God is God.
Every religion has a god, but not all gods are the same. Your logic is, you're a father, i am a father therefore you = I. WRONG


In what world is Jesus = Allah?

According to Islam Jesus is a human...no more godly than you and I.

You worship Jesus, who is a human.

Your logic is deeply troubling.
 
And He is not Jesus. According to Muslims God has never appeared on earth. Which renders your belief invalid.



This isn't Jesus , Jesus is a human no more than you and I.



Every religion has a god, but not all gods are the same. Your logic is, you're a father, i am a father there you = I. WRONG


In what world is Jesus = Allah?

According to Islam Jesus is a human...no more godly than you and I.

You worship Jesus, who is a human.

Your logic is deeply troubling.
You come across as thick as a brick at times, so stubborn.
The world can accept that the God of the Jews = God of Christians= God of Muslims.
But not you.
We as Christians pray to God the Father at times, to His Son Jesus, and to the Spirit, depending on circumstances.
Jesus was born as a human, and we believe He is God's human form.
We pray to the very same God that all God- believing people pray to, because there is only one true God.
 
You come across as thick as a brick at times, so stubborn.
The world can accept that the God of the Jews = God of Christians= God of Muslims.
But not you.
We as Christians pray to God the Father at times, to His Son Jesus, and to the Spirit, depending on circumstances.
Jesus was born as a human, and we believe He is God's human form.
We pray to the very same God that all God- believing people pray to, because there is only one true God.

If he/she is one true god, why did he/she make Satan so powerful?

Because it looks like Satan is winning.
 

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You come across as thick as a brick at times, so stubborn.
Thick lol coming from a religious bigot. Yeah cause religious people know what they believe in, do they??

Does it look like the same god to you regardless of the claims you (other people) make?

The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?


In other words Allah is the one and only God, there's no father/son/holy spirit, you pray to a MAN.Not YWH/Allah

Question for you: if Bible is corrupted and Jesus is not God, why aren't you a Muslim?? Islam seems a lot more authentic to me than your claims.


The world can accept that the God of the Jews = God of Christians= God of Muslims.
Muslims and Jews do not accept Jesus is God, your belief is entirely based on Jesus being God. What they do accept is YWH=Allah. Christians do not agree.

Without Jesus there is no Christianity. Why are you denying this? YWH/Father/Allah might be the same but your god is Jesus. Everything in the NT is about Jesus.

What do you have without Jesus?


But not you.
See above. So you are telling me you do not need Jesus for salvation.
Well that's a start.

We as Christians pray to God the Father at times, to His Son Jesus, and to the Spirit, depending on circumstances.

What circumstances ? Jesus is the father who is the holy spirit. Haven't you read Trinity? you can pray to any of the 3 it's the same ****ing thing. You are sounding like a lunatic right now.

Or you believe Jesus is less than the father???

this is interesting if you think of it that way cause Trinity doesn't state this.

Jesus was born as a human, and we believe He is God's human form.
We pray to the very same God that all God- believing people pray to, because there is only one true God.
No, your whole religion is based on sacrifice for sins which God did for us. If Jesus is not god, your entire belief is invalid. Jesus is NOT GOD, not according to Islam or Judaism.

You are on your own here, you can keep saying it's the same god, but it isn;'t
 
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Vdubs in this thread Muslims posted a few years ago and said what christians believe is unreliable cause bible been manipulated over the years. They also said jesus is not God which is why quran is the only book of what God wants cause worshipping a man is a sin in Islam. But according to you they worship the same god.
. When they reject trinity.. Original sin and jesus... 3 core tenets of Christianity. But you krpp telling yourself it's the same god.

Life must really be fun being ignorant

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Why did the plane crash?
The survivors were spared this time, but one thing for certain, we will all face death.
God has His time for all of us.

Tell us Liz- what exactly would you do in that scene?
Pray, or be resigned to your fate?
Some people only pray once they face death.
The cause hasn’t been determined for certain. Yet. A leading theory is that it was hit by a Russian defence system missile but engineers will recover the black box to determine precisely what the cause was. If it wasn’t a missile, it could have been mechanical error, human error, an onboard explosive device (unlikely). So a man-made cause. Or maybe an environment cause, like weather. Either way, nothing to do with a sky-fairy.

What would I have done? Don’t know, but I do know I wouldn’t have prayed.

 
You come across as thick as a brick at times, so stubborn.
The world can accept that the God of the Jews = God of Christians= God of Muslims.
But not you.
We as Christians pray to God the Father at times, to His Son Jesus, and to the Spirit, depending on circumstances.
Jesus was born as a human, and we believe He is God's human form.
We pray to the very same God that all God- believing people pray to, because there is only one true God.
This seems to be saying that you agree that the Gods are different...

Just that your God is the real and only one, and the other religions all pray to your God.

How do you come to this conclusion?
 
This seems to be saying that you agree that the Gods are different...

Just that your God is the real and only one, and the other religions all pray to your God.

How do you come to this conclusion?
His god is jesus.. Who is not a god in any other religion but that doesnt matter apparently.
It's still the one God only. Every other religion categorically denies that jesus is God. The religion he says worships the sane god denies original sin.. Trinity and jesus. So what is left of his religion if we take those 3 out?

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His god is jesus.. Who is not a god in any other religion but that doesnt matter apparently.
It's still the one God only. Every other religion categorically denies that jesus is God. The religion he says worships the sane god denies original sin.. Trinity and jesus. So what is left of his religion if we take those 3 out?

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I think I understand his motivations now.

He believes that prayer did save them in the crash.
'This beautiful miracle that is evidence of a higher power!' Mashallah! God is real and God is great.
BUT... they were praying to their God, and not his...
Solution... They were ACTUALLY praying to HIS God, they just didn't realise it.

His God is real, because people praying to their God means their God is actually his God, therefore proof.
 
I think I understand his motivations now.

He believes that prayer did save them in the crash.
'This beautiful miracle that is evidence of a higher power!' Mashallah! God is real and God is great.
BUT... they were praying to their God, and not his...
Solution... They were ACTUALLY praying to HIS God, they just didn't realise it.

His God is real, because people praying to their God means their God is actually his God, therefore proof.
Hahq you nailed it. If people are praying to a God it's the same god apparently. They cannot think beyond what their indoctrination teaches them. If there's no original sin then what did jesus die in the cross for? If jesus isn't God then who are you praying to? If theres no trinity then jesus is merely a man.

When mohammed received his revelation he was told TO SPREAD the original word of God as the previous teachings been corrupted. Could it be the corruption came in form of people believing jesus is God? Absolutely might be the case.

Anyone who believes Christians and Muslims worship the same god they need to explain all of the above

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His god is jesus.. Who is not a god in any other religion but that doesnt matter apparently.
It's still the one God only. Every other religion categorically denies that jesus is God. The religion he says worships the sane god denies original sin.. Trinity and jesus. So what is left of his religion if we take those 3 out?

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Christians rightly hold that the Church has something to teach Muslims. God has revealed his nature in a special way through the course of salvation history. In a special way he has humbled himself to be “God with us” in the Incarnation. Yet, we can also recognize that the Qur’anic description of God fundamentally agrees with what the Church knows of the goodness and sovereignty of God. For this reason Saint John Paul II proclaimed in front of that crowded Moroccan soccer stadium, “We believe in the same God!” For this reason Christians can rightly see Muslims as brothers and sisters, and, yes, allies in a struggle with aggressive secularism. We are brothers and sisters not only because of our shared humanity, but also because of our shared faith in God.
 
Vdubs in this thread Muslims posted a few years ago and said what christians believe is unreliable cause bible been manipulated over the years. They also said jesus is not God which is why quran is the only book of what God wants cause worshipping a man is a sin in Islam. But according to you they worship the same god.
. When they reject trinity.. Original sin and jesus... 3 core tenets of Christianity. But you krpp telling yourself it's the same god.

Life must really be fun being ignorant

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Yes, we worship the same God, pray to the same God, as already explained.
 

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Christians rightly hold that the Church has something to teach Muslims. God has revealed his nature in a special way through the course of salvation history. In a special way he has humbled himself to be “God with us” in the Incarnation. Yet, we can also recognize that the Qur’anic description of God fundamentally agrees with what the Church knows of the goodness and sovereignty of God. For this reason Saint John Paul II proclaimed in front of that crowded Moroccan soccer stadium, “We believe in the same God!” For this reason Christians can rightly see Muslims as brothers and sisters, and, yes, allies in a struggle with aggressive secularism. We are brothers and sisters not only because of our shared humanity, but also because of our shared faith in God.
Straight out copy paste (then you blame Roy...how nice of you).

You haven't explained how is it the same God? Jesus and father are not 2 different entities, JESUS IS ALLAH.

So why would Jesus in Quran ask Muslims not to follow his own teachings????
 
Thick lol coming from a religious bigot. Yeah cause religious people know what they believe in, do they??

Does it look like the same god to you regardless of the claims you (other people) make?

The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?


In other words Allah is the one and only God, there's no father/son/holy spirit, you pray to a MAN.Not YWH/Allah

Question for you: if Bible is corrupted and Jesus is not God, why aren't you a Muslim?? Islam seems a lot more authentic to me than your claims.



Muslims and Jews do not accept Jesus is God, your belief is entirely based on Jesus being God. What they do accept is YWH=Allah. Christians do not agree.

Without Jesus there is no Christianity. Why are you denying this? YWH/Father/Allah might be the same but your god is Jesus. Everything in the NT is about Jesus.

What do you have without Jesus?



See above. So you are telling me you do not need Jesus for salvation.
Well that's a start.



What circumstances ? Jesus is the father who is the holy spirit. Haven't you read Trinity? you can pray to any of the 3 it's the same ****ing thing. You are sounding like a lunatic right now.

Or you believe Jesus is less than the father???

this is interesting if you think of it that way cause Trinity doesn't state this.


No, your whole religion is based on sacrifice for sins which God did for us. If Jesus is not god, your entire belief is invalid. Jesus is NOT GOD, not according to Islam or Judaism.

You are on your own here, you can keep saying it's the same god, but it isn;'t
Semantics and word games for you. What does it matter to you if the God I pray to is indeed the God Muslims, and Jews pray to?
Yes , we can pray to Jesus, but before I was born again, I prayed to God, unless I fell off my bike.
 
Semantics and word games for you. What does it matter to you if the God I pray to is indeed the God Muslims, and Jews pray to?
Yes , we can pray to Jesus, but before I was born again, I prayed to God, unless I fell off my bike.
What is your religion without Original Sin, Trinity and Salvation? Islam denies all 3.

so you are telling me the same god came after 700 years and denied everything he told mankind back then?

Are you stupid? you dont have a religion without Original Sin/Jesus and Trinity.
 
Christians rightly hold that the Church has something to teach Muslims. God has revealed his nature in a special way through the course of salvation history. In a special way he has humbled himself to be “God with us” in the Incarnation. Yet, we can also recognize that the Qur’anic description of God fundamentally agrees with what the Church knows of the goodness and sovereignty of God. For this reason Saint John Paul II proclaimed in front of that crowded Moroccan soccer stadium, “We believe in the same God!” For this reason Christians can rightly see Muslims as brothers and sisters, and, yes, allies in a struggle with aggressive secularism. We are brothers and sisters not only because of our shared humanity, but also because of our shared faith in God.
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Irrelevant really, otherwise they'd be Christians. God did reveal Himself to man, by Jesus He did!
Crystal clear.

Surah Al Niash:
The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.


It doesn't get clearer than this. Without Trinity and Jesus being God what is left of Christianity????? one god...please. Lies you have convinced yourself.
 

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