Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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Standard board rules apply.

 

[Vdubs]

Crystal clear.

Surah Al Niash:
The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.


It doesn't get clearer than this. Without Trinity and Jesus being God what is left of Christianity????? one god...please. Lies you have convinced yourself.

If that is crystal clear, you must be on the spectrum.

 

[CM86]

Great explanation, and it's got you reading and thinking.

Have you read that article before?

 

[CM86]

If that is crystal clear, you must be on the spectrum.

The electromagnetic spectrum?

We all are!





I don't think I'm an atheist or an agnostic.

I don't believe in a God or Gods. But I also don't believe it can ever be proven that they do not exist.
I 'believe' and have 'faith' in things like the scientific method to help us continue down the path of understanding how we came to exist.
But I don't believe science will ever be able to explain a 'purpose' and things of that nature.

Is there a term for that, that isn't a sneaky insult?

 

[Total Power]

If that is crystal clear, you must be on the spectrum.

The english language is very difficult for you right now?

Do tell, if Jesus is not God what did he die for?

 

[Total Power]

But He is. Just that you, and Jews and muslims don't believe it.

The SAME god that Jesus is, said 700 years later that he wasn't actually a god, it was a lie...he was just a messenger?

Is god confused or you are?

 

[liz]

But I don't believe science will ever be able to explain a 'purpose' and things of that nature.

Does there need to be a ‘purpose’? Why?

 

[Vdubs]

The english language is very difficult for you right now?

Do tell, if Jesus is not God what did he die for?

Jesus is God in my book, it's you, Jews and Muslims who can't quite accept that yet, but creds to you for trying to grasp it, and asking Christians all about it.

 

[Vdubs]

The SAME god that Jesus is, said 700 years later that he wasn't actually a god, it was a lie...he was just a messenger?

Is god confused or you are?

Option 3.
It is YOU who is confused.
YOU.

 

[CM86]

Do tell, if Jesus is not God what did he die for?

Spoiler: Naughty words

 

[Vdubs]

The electromagnetic spectrum?

We all are!





I don't think I'm an atheist or an agnostic.

I don't believe in a God or Gods. But I also don't believe it can ever be proven that they do not exist.
I 'believe' and have 'faith' in things like the scientific method to help us continue down the path of understanding how we came to exist.
But I don't believe science will ever be able to explain a 'purpose' and things of that nature.

Is there a term for that, that isn't a sneaky insult?

Read Mere Christianity if not already done so. Clearly, my explanations will not suffice.

 

[CM86]

Does there need to be a ‘purpose’? Why?

Nope.

But I think one of the main reasons for religions was the idea that we need a purpose.
I don't think we do.

 

[Vdubs]

Nope.

But I think one of the main reasons for religions was the idea that we need a purpose.
I don't think we do.

What draws you to a thread like this?

 

[CM86]

Read Mere Christianity if not already done so. Clearly, my explanations will not suffice.

And a mere christianity to you to! Happy festivus.

 

[Vdubs]

And a mere christianity to you to! Happy festivus.

It is a great read for intelligent people trying to make sense of all this.

 

[CM86]

What draws you to a thread like this?

I like Total Power. And this thread was active.

This is a topic that I've been incredibly interested in and invested in over the years.
I'm now at the point of wanting to learn more of other people's perspectives, and find out why it seems impossible to bridge the gap.
Why 'sides' on everything are now so concrete and tribal, that we cannot ever concede anything.

It's like when driving, and people need to speed up when they see you indicating to merge into their lane. We have to win... something?

 

[CM86]

It is a great read for intelligent people trying to make sense of all this.

I appreciate that.

What's one of the more impactful ideas from it that helped you?

 

[Vdubs]

I like Total Power. And this thread was active.

This is a topic that I've been incredibly interested in and invested in over the years.
I'm now at the point of wanting to learn more of other people's perspectives, and find out why it seems impossible to bridge the gap.
Why 'sides' on everything are now so concrete and tribal, that we cannot ever concede anything.

It's like when driving, and people need to speed up when they see you indicating to merge into their lane. We have to win... something?

I too like Total Power. He is sincere and honest. We differed regarding tennis GOATS, and this, but I clearly have a lot of time for him, albeit I seem to be frustrating him without trying.

 

[Vdubs]

I appreciate that.

What's one of the more impactful ideas from it that helped you?

This is straight from his book. There are so many pearls. This one hit home as much as any of them for me.

What Satan put into the heads of our remote ancestors was the idea that they could “be like gods” — be their own masters — invent some sort of happiness for themselves outside God, apart from God. And out of that hopeless attempt has come nearly all that we call human history — money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery — the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy. The reason why it can never succeed is this. God made us: invented us as a man invents an engine. A car is made to run on petrol, and it would not run properly on anything else. Now God designed the human machine to run on Himself. He Himself is the fuel our spirits were designed to burn, or the food our spirits were designed to feed on. There is no other. That is why it is just no good asking God to make us happy in our own way without bothering about religion. God cannot give us happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing. (49–50)

I'm sorry it's this time of night where I am as there is much to say, but if you have time, it's not a big read, and I can not do it justice without copying it.

 

[CM86]

This is straight from his book. There are so many pearls. This one hit home as much as any of them for me.


I'm sorry it's this time of night where I am as there is much to say, but if you have time, it's not a big read, and I can not do it justice without copying it.

Not a problem, I appreciate it.

I've started reading. I don't know how far I'll get this evening.


Law of Human Nature, he seems to be arguing in contradiction to the excerpt you've shared.

In that he seems to be saying that the truth of a God is evident in that across the world we have similar moral standards and codes.
In that it cannot be a human invention, as it's part of all of us.

So to then point out that evidence of God is that in the pursuit of happiness (pleasure) it leads to "poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery — the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy"

 

[Total Power]

Jesus is God in my book,

Duh captain obviouso, you the one claiming it's the same god and now the backflip. We are not here to discuss what YOU believe to be true.

it's you, Jews and Muslims who can't quite accept that yet,

They cannot accept it cause their religion is clear about it. Jesus is not God, clearly stated in their book in multiple verses in multiple places. You are the one who is in denial. Islam clearly states trinity is bullshit...multiple times and Jesus is just a human being. Quran is not edited like the Bible, Bible has changed over time, Quran hasn't.

but creds to you for trying to grasp it, and asking Christians all about it.

I have read all the 3 religions, i am well aware of what these 3 religions say. You are the one blind copy pasting without knowing what he is copy pasting.

Again, let me ask you, how's Allah=Jesus?

 

[Total Power]

Option 3.
It is YOU who is confused.
YOU.

LOL. Ok i am confused then...do explain this then:

Jesus is Allah who is the only true god and is a part of trinity > Allah said he wasn't Jesus > Allah said Trinity is bullshit and there is no original sin> Without trinity and OS/Jesus there is no christianity.

How is this the same God?

I am waiting...

 

[Total Power]

Not a problem, I appreciate it.

I've started reading. I don't know how far I'll get this evening.


Law of Human Nature, he seems to be arguing in contradiction to the excerpt you've shared.

In that he seems to be saying that the truth of a God is evident in that across the world we have similar moral standards and codes.
In that it cannot be a human invention, as it's part of all of us.

So to then point out that evidence of God is that in the pursuit of happiness (pleasure) it leads to "poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery — the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy"

Guys like C.S Lewis has confirmed what i found out about Christianity long time ago. Reading one his books made me question again why an immortal being with infinite power and will has to create inferior beings, grant them "free will" and set them up for a life of torture and temptation through Original Sin curse by another creation of his like screwtape the demon. The threat being if you don't use your free will to worship me I will have you tortured forever.

Screwtape letters, have a read sometime. C.S. Lewis is one of the main reasons why Christianity should not exist and he is also a utter piece of lion shit.

 

[Total Power]

In that he seems to be saying that the truth of a God is evident in that across the world we have similar moral standards and codes.
In that it cannot be a human invention, as it's part of all of us.

His law giver argument is completely bogus. Societies that allow rape murder, stealing etc aren't likely to go anywhere other than anarchy. What society in a historical context have progress by killing and raping each other? example: if you are a pathological liar you are unlikely to have many friends or people who would trust you. Cause you would seem to be causing more damage to people than good.

I dont know if you've ever observed animals taking care of each other and looking out for each other, but how did they come to know his “Human Nature?“ Animals sacrifice their own bodies for the good of the herd, or colony, or another in need all the time. I have 2 dogs and my dog will go a long way to protect me and the other dog has well. So what 'human nature' is he talking about? this has been observed by dolphins, chimps, bonobos, lions and 500 different species.

So, right from the get go, he seems to ignore any plausible natural explanation for human morality and goes right for the supernatural cause for morality. There are thousands of books written on ethics without the need for supernatural explanation.

This is just one simple example of how he is looking for a supernatural explanation when there's none, there's plenty of others. As i said C.S Lewis is the reason why Christianity should not exist.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Tell us Liz- what exactly would you do in that scene?
Pray, or be resigned to your fate?

I’d shit my pants.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Does there need to be a ‘purpose’? Why?

Welcome to Nihilism.