Europe Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

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IlovethePies said:
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No, not according to anyone.

The truth is the truth. A lie is a statement which is contradictory to the truth.

That is what your statement is.
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Says the pro Russian troll posting debunked NATO bullshit justifications for Putin's fascist invasion of Ukraine.
 

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Aussie in exile said:
Correct the truth is the truth and the truth is Russian invaded Ukraine illegally.
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Absolutely this. The reality of it couldn't be any clearer. Some people simply cannot accept that the people of Ukraine see their future as a European democracy in much the same fashion Baltic nations and other Eastern bloc states have become post Warsaw pact / USSR dissolution.


The average Ukranian would much prefer to live in a state like Poland vs living in a state like Belarus. Those are two paths that Ukranians had to choose from and they have resoundingly rejected Putin and his imperliast fascist dreams of restoring the new Russian empire.
 
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Trump to call Putin, seek quick deal to end Russia-Ukraine war, says Volker

Donald Trump won the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 6, after months of repeatedly claiming he could end Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in a day. To do that, he will have to do what he claims he does best — negotiate a deal. Ambassador Kurt Volker is one person
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On the use of weapons, however, I think the Biden administration would be very well advised simply to just drop its objections. Just let Ukraine use the weapons we've given them. And this can be done quietly, it doesn't have to be a big announcement. It can be done on a case-by-case basis, if the Biden administration insists.

Putin will say 'I need this, I need this, I need this.' And I think Trump will say 'no, you stop the war.' But I do think it happens quite quickly, I don't think Trump wants to see this war continue once he's actually in office.

And the implication is that Trump sees himself as a strong president. And he's going to need to show some strength to Putin in order to get Putin to decide that it's time to end the war.

And then, when it comes to Ukraine itself, I think he's going to seek support for a lend-lease program, letting Ukraine borrow money in order to buy American weapons. It's something that was on the books for two years and never used during the Biden administration.

It wasn't ideal under the Biden administration, and would not have been under (Kamala) Harris. We saw the U.S. being slow, reactive, not willing to give Ukraine the weapons needed, not willing to give them the authorization to use those weapons — an excessively cautious approach, one that worried too much about escalation, and not really one designed to help Ukraine win.
 

So after trying (and failing) to decapitate the Ukranian government quickly in Kyiv to be replaced with a Russian puppet government Russia sent this ridiculous peace proposal through in March. Demands included for Ukraine to disarm itself (after being attacked &i invaded by Russia)!!!! and to immediately handover Crimea, Donetsk & Lugansk. Ukraine received absolutely nothing in return. Two copies of the treaty were handed to NATO and the US. None of which were in English. Russia gave a deadline of 48 hours for Ukraine to accept a treaty that bordered on virtual surrender.


Unsurprisingly the treaty was rejected.
 
Zidane98 said:

So after trying (and failing) to decapitate the Ukranian government quickly in Kyiv to be replaced with a Russian puppet government Russia sent this ridiculous peace proposal through in March. Demands included for Ukraine to disarm itself (after being attacked &i invaded by Russia)!!!! and to immediately handover Crimea, Donetsk & Lugansk. Ukraine received absolutely nothing in return. Two copies of the treaty were handed to NATO and the US. None of which were in English. Russia gave a deadline of 48 hours for Ukraine to accept a treaty that bordered on virtual surrender.


Unsurprisingly the treaty was rejected.
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Yes, unsurprising that it was rejected because NATO and US imperiaism were gunning for war.
 

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