Europe Backdrop to the war in Ukraine

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IlovethePies said:
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No, not according to anyone.

The truth is the truth. A lie is a statement which is contradictory to the truth.

That is what your statement is.
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Says the pro Russian troll posting debunked NATO bullshit justifications for Putin's fascist invasion of Ukraine.
 

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Aussie in exile said:
Correct the truth is the truth and the truth is Russian invaded Ukraine illegally.
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Absolutely this. The reality of it couldn't be any clearer. Some people simply cannot accept that the people of Ukraine see their future as a European democracy in much the same fashion Baltic nations and other Eastern bloc states have become post Warsaw pact / USSR dissolution.


The average Ukranian would much prefer to live in a state like Poland vs living in a state like Belarus. Those are two paths that Ukranians had to choose from and they have resoundingly rejected Putin and his imperliast fascist dreams of restoring the new Russian empire.
 
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Trump to call Putin, seek quick deal to end Russia-Ukraine war, says Volker

Donald Trump won the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 6, after months of repeatedly claiming he could end Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in a day. To do that, he will have to do what he claims he does best — negotiate a deal. Ambassador Kurt Volker is one person
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On the use of weapons, however, I think the Biden administration would be very well advised simply to just drop its objections. Just let Ukraine use the weapons we've given them. And this can be done quietly, it doesn't have to be a big announcement. It can be done on a case-by-case basis, if the Biden administration insists.

Putin will say 'I need this, I need this, I need this.' And I think Trump will say 'no, you stop the war.' But I do think it happens quite quickly, I don't think Trump wants to see this war continue once he's actually in office.

And the implication is that Trump sees himself as a strong president. And he's going to need to show some strength to Putin in order to get Putin to decide that it's time to end the war.

And then, when it comes to Ukraine itself, I think he's going to seek support for a lend-lease program, letting Ukraine borrow money in order to buy American weapons. It's something that was on the books for two years and never used during the Biden administration.

It wasn't ideal under the Biden administration, and would not have been under (Kamala) Harris. We saw the U.S. being slow, reactive, not willing to give Ukraine the weapons needed, not willing to give them the authorization to use those weapons — an excessively cautious approach, one that worried too much about escalation, and not really one designed to help Ukraine win.
 

So after trying (and failing) to decapitate the Ukranian government quickly in Kyiv to be replaced with a Russian puppet government Russia sent this ridiculous peace proposal through in March. Demands included for Ukraine to disarm itself (after being attacked &i invaded by Russia)!!!! and to immediately handover Crimea, Donetsk & Lugansk. Ukraine received absolutely nothing in return. Two copies of the treaty were handed to NATO and the US. None of which were in English. Russia gave a deadline of 48 hours for Ukraine to accept a treaty that bordered on virtual surrender.


Unsurprisingly the treaty was rejected.
 
Zidane98 said:

So after trying (and failing) to decapitate the Ukranian government quickly in Kyiv to be replaced with a Russian puppet government Russia sent this ridiculous peace proposal through in March. Demands included for Ukraine to disarm itself (after being attacked &i invaded by Russia)!!!! and to immediately handover Crimea, Donetsk & Lugansk. Ukraine received absolutely nothing in return. Two copies of the treaty were handed to NATO and the US. None of which were in English. Russia gave a deadline of 48 hours for Ukraine to accept a treaty that bordered on virtual surrender.


Unsurprisingly the treaty was rejected.
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Yes, unsurprising that it was rejected because NATO and US imperiaism were gunning for war.
 
IlovethePies said:
So yes, you admit that Us and Europe (ie NATO) were instrumental in ensuring that Ukraine and Russia could not overcome their disagreements.

checkmate
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God I'd love to play you in chess if you think that's checkmate.
 

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IlovethePies said:
So yes, you admit that Us and Europe (ie NATO) were instrumental in ensuring that Ukraine and Russia could not overcome their disagreements.

checkmate
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For there to be an agreement Ukraine would have to agree to not joining NATO.
This would have meant that Ukraine would need assurances (commitment) from the US.
The problem was that the Ukrainians did not consult with Washington even though the talks would have created new legal commitments for the US including an obligation to go to war with russia if it invaded Ukraine again .

They and Europe would not commit because “if you give him [Putin] anything, he’ll just keep it, bank it, and then prepare for his next assault.”
 
IlovethePies said:
So yes, you admit that Us and Europe (ie NATO) were instrumental in ensuring that Ukraine and Russia could not overcome their disagreements.

checkmate
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So this was all just a game to you?
You can now bask in the glory of your supposed “victory”.
No need for you to post here anymore because you are the supposed "winner”.
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wannabejack said:
So this was all just a game to you?
You can now bask in the glory of your supposed “victory”.
No need for you to post here anymore because you are the supposed "winner”.
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Ilovethepies wanted donny rump to win the US election and he wants Russia to win in it's illegal invasion of Ukraine.
The 2 tie in for him
 
wannabejack said:
wannabejack said:
So this was all just a game to you?
You can now bask in the glory of your supposed “victory”.
No need for you to post here anymore because you are the supposed "winner”.
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There's plenty of need for me to reply here while there are lies being promoted here about the nature of the war in Ukraine and the role of NATO and US imperialism in provoking it and then escalating it.

It is important that lies and US propaganda aren't given a free ride anywhere.

This is becoming even more critical given that a fascist will be the President of the US in 70 days.

Nothing about fun and games, mate.
 
IlovethePies said:
I definitely am, because I am the only one here who quotes sources which are not mouthpieces of CIA propaganda.
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Who says they are mouthpieces of CIA propaganda?

Let me guess, sources which just so happen to align with Russian talking points about their unprovoked, imperialist invasion of Ukraine.
 
Chief said:
How is that determined?
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Through a historical materialist analysis of social reality, which means a scientific study of the evolution of capitalist society.
One can only achieve a scientific analysis of capitalism by opposing it down the line, and by recognising the class nature of all political phenomena.
 
IlovethePies said:
There's plenty of need for me to reply here while there are lies being promoted here about the nature of the war in Ukraine and the role of NATO and US imperialism in provoking it and then escalating it.

It is important that lies and US propaganda aren't given a free ride anywhere.

This is becoming even more critical given that a fascist will be the President of the US in 70 days.

Nothing about fun and games, mate.
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You are the Messiah of Truth we all have been waiting for.
 

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