Traded Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[CatToTheFuture]

Based off the comments from Ryan Daniels, Cue automated responses. Hi this is the Hawthorn BigFooty community, we are not in right now, please leave a message after the beep, unless you are Bailey Smith, in which case we just wanted to make it clear we never rated you, we don’t need you, our guys playing at Box Hill would be in front of you anyway and we are glad we saved that cash and preserved our place in the upcoming draft. And despite supporting us as a kid and the Buddy picture, joining Geelong means you are dead to us.

You sound like a jilted lover

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This is the rationale that the clubs would apply. Based on his output to date, there would likely be only 5-6 players in any given draft that might be better than him. If a club sees a full-time inside mid role for him then he’s probably even more valuable than what he’s been able to show so far for us. Trading a pick 8+ for him would be a pretty easy decision for clubs in reality.

I'd state a wider range, like 3-10 but either way you don't know who they are, but even if it's 10 we need a couple of selections ahead of us to be botched to get a look in.

 

[HairyO]

Imagine if he stays lol

That would be my preference. Unless Nash leaves. Then for sure would want him.

 

[Bald]

That would be my preference. Unless Nash leaves. Then for sure would want him.

To me it clearly it seems as though he's leaving, but crazier things have happened. I remember Coniglio looked a certainty to leave the Giants and IIRC it was Hawthorn he was linked to, then he signed a 7 year deal in late August.

I don't know, the transition from guys like Liberatore, Macrae and Treloar to Sanders, Smith and Richards would be so much less painful if he stayed.

 

[TiAn_]

I'd state a wider range, like 3-10 but either way you don't know who they are, but even if it's 10 we need a couple of selections ahead of us to be botched to get a look in.

It obviously depends on the draft, but I think people really underestimate how rapidly it gets harder to identify a genuine gun in a draft from a certain point, starting around pick 5 in some drafts to around pick 10-12 in strong drafts. Even then, a ‘strong draft’ is often only identified with the benefit of hindsight, outside of a couple of exceptions.

 

[HairyO]

To me it clearly it seems as though he's leaving, but crazier things have happened. I remember Coniglio looked a certainty to leave the Giants and IIRC it was Hawthorn he was linked to, then he signed a 7 year deal in late August.

I don't know, the transition from guys like Liberatore, Macrae and Treloar to Sanders, Smith and Richards would be so much less painful if he stayed.

Coniglio was the AFL giving him a heap of Ambassador money to stay. I dont think Smith gets that, though he may get a $1 pub or farm package from Geelong.

 

[TiAn_]

Coniglio was the AFL giving him a heap of Ambassador money to stay. I dont think Smith gets that, though he may get a $1 pub or farm package from Geelong.

Hawthorn might be able to extract a few extra dollars from flogging games to Tassie with Smith. I’m sure they’d be stoked to have someone with an actual tan down there pretending to enjoy it for the cameras.

 

[Libbaaaa]

For the Hawks fans, assuming you get Baz and keep everyone else, what does the midfield mix look like? Day and Newcombe will start the majority of CBAs so where would that leave Baz/Worpel/Nash?

 

[nelk boys]

For the Hawks fans, assuming you get Baz and keep everyone else, what does the midfield mix look like? Day and Newcombe will start the majority of CBAs so where would that leave Baz/Worpel/Nash?

Day, Newk, Nash, Baz would take majority.

Day, Baz and Newk will all push forward. Sam appreciates flexibility in roles.

Worpel would likely get a slightly lesser role.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Day, Newk, Nash, Baz would take majority.

Day, Baz and Newk will all push forward. Sam appreciates flexibility in roles.

Worpel would likely get a slightly lesser role.

Worpel start at half forward and just push into the stoppage when there isn't a clearance? Reason I ask is that Baz will most likely find himself playing a similar role to what he did with the Dogs, albeit a slightly higher uptick in CBA.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

It's fine, you have a Ryan Gardner shaped paddle

Not quite as good as Hamling

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I'd back our ability to bring people in with our good culture to keep him on the right path.
We have a pretty damn good track record.

Baz isn’t a Stengle type situation, it’s mental health, over training, obsessive compulsive, high maintenance. He’s also a city boy who barracked for Hawthorn, how will he fit into the sleepy hollow culture?

 

[TylerDurden]

Worpel start at half forward and just push into the stoppage when there isn't a clearance? Reason I ask is that Baz will most likely find himself playing a similar role to what he did with the Dogs, albeit a slightly higher uptick in CBA.

It's a good question. It will come down to performance.
You'd assume Day and Newcombe are permanent fixtures. He's then rotating with Worpel (11 clearances last week), Nash, and a rapidly improving McKenzie. Ward can't even get a game.
With Meek feeding them.
He'd own the Geelong midfield. But what support will he have?? Stanley is retiring. He'll have Bowes (bog average), Bruhn, Clark (jury's out) and Holmes (will be a gun).
If he's hellbent on midfield mins, then Geelong is the easy choice.
But what he could be giving up at Hawthorn could be much bigger.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Baz isn’t a Stengle type situation, it’s mental health, over training, obsessive compulsive, high maintenance. He’s also a city boy who barracked for Hawthorn, how will he fit into the sleepy hollow culture?

Surfing its good for your mental health. He'll be fine

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Surfing its good for your mental health. He'll be fine

He also owns a house near Hawthorn, and there are surf beach’s on the Mornington Peninsular, not as good as Bellarine of course

 

[Captain Paddy]

Can the Saints just work a miracle and come from nowhere and sign him so Max has someone to lead to not named Nas or Sincs

 

[mattwa]

Can the Saints just work a miracle and come from nowhere and sign him so Max has someone to lead to not named Nas or Sincs

Not sure Baz is the bloke you want delivering the ball inside 50 to you if you are a KPF

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not sure Baz is the bloke you want delivering the ball inside 50 to you if you are a KPF

At least it will make their entries unpredictable

 

[bzparkes]

At least it will make their entries unpredictable

Yep, it'll look like he's kicking it to King but instead, it goes out on the full.

That'll keep 'em guessing.

 

[FootyLad0]

Baz isn’t a Stengle type situation, it’s mental health, over training, obsessive compulsive, high maintenance. He’s also a city boy who barracked for Hawthorn, how will he fit into the sleepy hollow culture?

Now who do we know who was an over trainer, who was obsessed with winning…going above and beyond to be the best in whatever endeavour he was competing for, that fit in with the Geelong culture seamlessly

Can’t think of anyone….

 

[Bald]

Can the Saints just work a miracle and come from nowhere and sign him so Max has someone to lead to not named Nas or Sincs

Hahaha you think Bailey Smith would hit up Max.

 

[Anzacday]

Hawthorn might be able to extract a few extra dollars from flogging games to Tassie with Smith. I’m sure they’d be stoked to have someone with an actual tan down there pretending to enjoy it for the cameras.

For some reason I was expecting a mullet reference.

 

[TiAn_]

For some reason I was expecting a mullet reference.

So many possibilities

 

[FootyLad0]

So Jon Ralph reckons 85% likely Baz ends up at the Cats...

1. How can you be 85% sure? Like how do you quantify that percentage?
Did Bailey tell him that or is he just throwing a random number in the air?
There's no tangible way to come up with that number unless its hyperbole in which case....how many months till Trade Period? Cause they clearly have nothing else to talk about.

2. I mean if we are doing percentages, i'm 85% sure I want Yellow Chicken Curry for my night shift dinner.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

So Jon Ralph reckons 85% likely Baz ends up at the Cats...

1. How can you be 85% sure? Like how do you quantify that percentage?
Did Bailey tell him that or is he just throwing a random number in the air?
There's no tangible way to come up with that number unless its hyperbole in which case....how many months till Trade Period? Cause they clearly have nothing else to talk about.

2. I mean if we are doing percentages, i'm 85% sure I want Yellow Chicken Curry for my night shift dinner.

I'm going to tell my boss I'm 85% sure I'm getting a huge bonus this year see if it works out