Traded Bailey Smith: 4-way trade: B. Smith (WB) & pick 45 to Geel / pick 38 to Carl / Macrae (WB) to StK / pick 17 & Kennedy (Carl) to WB

[Libbaaaa]

They're all used car salesmen and in it for themselves.

Snake in a suit.

This is the correct response. Players and their agents have so much power it's interfering with list builds and skewing the comp. I don't know what the solution is but it won't be solved by today

Believe this deal will be agreed on in Paul Connors bed too!

 

[bulldogs201616]

What's the latest?

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

What's the latest?

Mackie is now offering 38

 

[HairyO]

They're all used car salesmen and in it for themselves.

Snake in a suit.

And the AFL stands by and watches these guys decide the trades. Its insane.

 

[cdcanman]

And the AFL stands by and watches these guys decide the trades. Its insane.

What could the AFL do about it?
Do you really want head office deciding who goes where and what a players value is?
That's clearly worse than what we have now.

I don't get the hate towards agents. Its literally their job to do what is the best interests of their players. That is the function they fulfil within this system. The clubs don't have to agree to their or the players demands.

The only part the AFL are responsible for is the rules and framework from within which player movement occurs. There are lots of things that can be done to improve this and perhaps lead to fewer occurrences when things get as messy as this.
Off the top of my head:

• Allow greater flexibility to trade future assets
• Allow conditional trading of draft picks
• Prevent clubs from renegotiating contracts that allow teams to manipulate the cap. Once a contract is signed it should remain unchanged for the duration that it was signed for. No moving money forward or 'smoothing' deals over additional years to open up cap room
• Limit contracts to 5 years
• Scrap FA compensation
• Scrap father sons
• Scrap academy discounts and bidding
• Scrap the arbitrary assigning of points to draft picks

 

[HairyO]

What could the AFL do about it?
Do you really want head office deciding who goes where and what a players value is?
That's clearly worse than what we have now.

I don't get the hate towards agents. Its literally their job to do what is the best interests of their players. That is the function they fulfil within this system. The clubs don't have to agree to their or the players demands.

The only part the AFL are responsible for is the rules and framework from within which player movement occurs. There are lots of things that can be done to improve this and perhaps lead to fewer occurrences when things get as messy as this.
Off the top of my head:

• Allow greater flexibility to trade future assets
• Allow conditional trading of draft picks
• Prevent clubs from renegotiating contracts that allow teams to manipulate the cap. Once a contract is signed it should remain unchanged for the duration that it was signed for. No moving money forward or 'smoothing' deals over additional years to open up cap room
• Limit contracts to 5 years
• Scrap FA compensation
• Scrap father sons
• Scrap academy discounts and bidding
• Scrap the arbitrary assigning of points to draft picks

If managers are making threats involving other players under their management then that is clear tampering.

Why did the Houston deal get organised at Connors' office? Port were strongarmed.

 

[Suma Magic]

Geelong are massive campaigners. Which is both good and bad.

 

[Dazb86]

What could the AFL do about it?
Do you really want head office deciding who goes where and what a players value is?
That's clearly worse than what we have now.

I don't get the hate towards agents. Its literally their job to do what is the best interests of their players. That is the function they fulfil within this system. The clubs don't have to agree to their or the players demands.

The only part the AFL are responsible for is the rules and framework from within which player movement occurs. There are lots of things that can be done to improve this and perhaps lead to fewer occurrences when things get as messy as this.
Off the top of my head:

• Allow greater flexibility to trade future assets
• Allow conditional trading of draft picks
• Prevent clubs from renegotiating contracts that allow teams to manipulate the cap. Once a contract is signed it should remain unchanged for the duration that it was signed for. No moving money forward or 'smoothing' deals over additional years to open up cap room
• Limit contracts to 5 years
• Scrap FA compensation
• Scrap father sons
• Scrap academy discounts and bidding
• Scrap the arbitrary assigning of points to draft picks

Apparently this deals been in the making for 18 months. You'd think they would have come to an agreement by now.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Anyone who doesn't get the hate towards player agents is probably a real estate agent.

 

[cdcanman]

If managers are making threats involving other players under their management then that is clear tampering.

Why did the Houston deal get organised at Connors' office? Port were strongarmed.

Agents don't control those other players though. The players employ the agent. Do you really think a player is going to decide their future based on some personal beef that their agent has with a certain club?
It got organised at Connor's office (which isn't completely unheard of) because of the acrimony that had come to exist between the 2 clubs. They had reached a stalemate, become emotional and needed a 3rd party to assist in facilitating a deal.
Listening to Port's list boss this morning, his willingness to accept the deal had more to do with the possibility of pick 13 being moved elsewhere and no longer being on the table rather than some sort of idle threat from an agent.

I agree with you that this was a bad deal by Port. I wouldn't have agreed to it if I were their list boss. If that was the best deal on offer, I think I would have kept Houston for a year and tried again next offseason. In all likelihood, I think at least a similar deal would be on offer again next year. I can't see him losing too much value, save for a catastrophic injury.

Where I disagree with you is on attributing blame to the agent, and on any intervention from head office. What would that even look like? And on what grounds?

 

[cdcanman]

Anyone who doesn't get the hate towards player agents is probably a real estate agent.

What are they doing wrong?
It's not their fault that the AFL doesn't put reasonable, consistent, common sense rules in place for them to work within

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If managers are making threats involving other players under their management then that is clear tampering.

Why did the Houston deal get organised at Connors' office? Port were strongarmed.

Whoopty do where the deal was done. Could be done in Macca's drive thru for all I care.

A club trading a player with 3 years to run was not strong armed. They were just their usual spineless self.

 

[HairyO]

What are they doing wrong?
It's not their fault that the AFL doesn't put reasonable, consistent, common sense rules in place for them to work within

The AFL have rules for everything. They just decide if and when to enforce them.

Reverse the roles of Pies and Port do you think there would have been more media focus on Port reaming the Pies and the AFL stepping in ?

 

[Heaps of fun]

What are they doing wrong?
It's not their fault that the AFL doesn't put reasonable, consistent, common sense rules in place for them to work within

Eating and breathing.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agents don't control those other players though. The players employ the agent. Do you really think a player is going to decide their future based on some personal beef that their agent has with a certain club?
It got organised at Connor's office (which isn't completely unheard of) because of the acrimony that had come to exist between the 2 clubs. They had reached a stalemate, become emotional and needed a 3rd party to assist in facilitating a deal.
Listening to Port's list boss this morning, his willingness to accept the deal had more to do with the possibility of pick 13 being moved elsewhere and no longer being on the table rather than some sort of idle threat from an agent.

I agree with you that this was a bad deal by Port. I wouldn't have agreed to it if I were their list boss. If that was the best deal on offer, I think I would have kept Houston for a year and tried again next offseason. In all likelihood, I think at least a similar deal would be on offer again next year. I can't see him losing too much value, save for a catastrophic injury.

Where I disagree with you is on attributing blame to the agent, and on any intervention from head office. What would that even look like? And on what grounds?

Agents do have a lot of sway because they inform players of what trades are and are not possible and that guides decisions from there. Their advice on trades becomes self fulfilling prophecy

 

[Bulldogs85]

7.30 can’t come quick enough

 

[cdcanman]

The AFL have rules for everything. They just decide if and when to enforce them.

Reverse the roles of Pies and Port do you think there would have been more media focus on Port reaming the Pies and the AFL stepping in ?

I didn't suggest that they didn't have rules, I just think their rules are no longer fit for purpose or are adequate to govern the modern player movement landscape. Agents will exploit whatever the rule set is to it's fullest degree. Always have, always will. It's the AFL's job to limit that and to have it working within the the parameters that they deem to be in the league's best interests. It's not the agents job to police themselves.

What would more media focus one way or the other matter? If the media were asking for the league to intervene they would be just a wrong. On what grounds would they be intervening? And what would that intervention look like?

Clubs are free to value their assets; players and draft picks, however they wish. They don't need you, me or the AFL to agree. Port assessed that it was in their best interests to make this deal rather than not make it. I wouldn't have done it, but they did. What business does the AFL have being involved?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

7.30 can’t come quick enough

My only question is how many Jake Carlisle type party photos come out immediately post trade?

 

[Bulldogs85]

My only question is how many Jake Carlisle type party photos come out immediately post trade?

You will see plenty of topless photos

 

[Ash1337]

I think the only way dogs get what they want is that they come to the party to pry Oliver out of Dees.

Cats 17 & F1 get Oliver & Smith F2
Dogs Macrae F2 & 25 from Daniel get 9 & 59
Dees Oliver & 9 get 17 25 F1

 

[marcmurphy3]

I honestly think Geelong is being a little tight about Smith.

Remember how much we demanded for Tim Kelly?

I think Geelong should throw in a future 2nd or 3rd. I think he is worth that.

Pick 20 or so by itself seems unders for a gun like Smith and is and short changing the dogs a bit I think.

Mackie is very very tight.

Mackie is like that newly promoted guy at work who tries to show everyone how tough he is to justify his position.

Geelong have done just fine the last 20 years being a very reasonable trading partner. I suspect that reputation has helped them get numerous players.

Whilst Mackie's current approach will help "win" a few trades I'm not sure it's going to be the best for the cats in the long term.

 

[sleep]

Sammy Power and his team sharing one laptop and still using windows 95....

 

[Ash1337]

Mackie is like that newly promoted guy at work who tries to show everyone how tough he is to justify his position.

Geelong have done just fine the last 20 years being a very reasonable trading partner. I suspect that reputation has helped them get numerous players.

Whilst Mackie's current approach will help "win" a few trades I'm not sure it's going to be the best for the cats in the long term.

It'll end up hurting more than benefiting them. Henry, Bowes, Kelly etc... Probably has pissed those clubs off as well as many more.

 

[rapidfire7]

Mackie is like that newly promoted guy at work who tries to show everyone how tough he is to justify his position.

Geelong have done just fine the last 20 years being a very reasonable trading partner. I suspect that reputation has helped them get numerous players.

Whilst Mackie's current approach will help "win" a few trades I'm not sure it's going to be the best for the cats in the long term.

Yeah agree. Not sure he's the right man for the job, but what would I know.

 

[Ash1337]

Sammy Power and his team sharing one laptop and still using windows 95....

Wells is using pen & paper. Do they have internet down in Geelong?