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Bendigo FL discussion 2023

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About 95% of this is factually incorrect

Only thing I cannot confirm is the comment about Gisborne being filthy

Everything else that far off that mark it’s not funny
 
Forest St End said:
Westy’s article in the addy had the Riddell CEO say this:
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That doesn’t sound like two or three weeks to me so I’m going to stick with my man.

Filthy probably is a bit strong from me, but they certainly told Kyneton they would have appreciated knowing what they were thinking.
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I said the decision was made 2-3 weeks ago. Of course they were talking prior to that. But not 12 months ago as your man suggests.

Kyneton giving Gisborne a heads up on what they were planning would be like Carlton letting Collingwood know who they were planning on taking on draft might. Would never happen, and not should it. Probably just filthy they lost to them twice in their last season playing against each other.
 
Here’s your finals participants for the next 5 years in no particular order

Sandhurst
Square
Strath
Gisborne
Eaglehawk

When Gisborne leave and Maryborough/ Castlemaine and flat also leave things will be bleak

South will be the unfortunate club out of how the comp has panned out. Low supporter base / low junior numbers and no spots on the board = no chance of competing.


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KTownTigs said:
About 95% of this is factually incorrect

Only thing I cannot confirm is the comment about Gisborne being filthy

Everything else that far off that mark it’s not funny
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Fair enough, but I’m pretty comfortable with it.

Mad Jack said:
I said the decision was made 2-3 weeks ago. Of course they were talking prior to that. But not 12 months ago as your man suggests.

Kyneton giving Gisborne a heads up on what they were planning would be like Carlton letting Collingwood know who they were planning on taking on draft might. Would never happen, and not should it. Probably just filthy they lost to them twice in their last season playing against each other.
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As I hear it the timeline goes talks started last year when the juniors and women were going. Bit of a push to bring everyone was made but was felt no chance of getting it past AFL CV.

Preseason didn’t go great for the club, talks continued through this year, Kyneton liked the way things operated with the women and juniors and when it was clear no progress was made on the field it became irresistible.

Decision was made at end of June to put it to club with the recommendation of the committee to leave. Once the AFL CV stuff happened they took the chance to bring plans forward and do it before the season ended.

Re Gisborne I think the disappointment is that the clubs have worked to make Good Friday an event and had planned to try again this year after the league stopped them this season (which certainly didn’t help the chances of staying). Gisborne felt that relationship might have warranted a heads up they were leaving.
 
BlueJet said:
It's essentially trading the Eastern Bloc for the Bendigo contingent, which only makes sense if it were part of a much broader restructure.
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The starting point has to be an agreement that Bendigo, Loddon Valley, Heathcote and Maryborough / Castlemaine leagues are completely farked with their competition imbalances - something has to be done ..... Einstein's definition of insanity.

1. Create a new Bendigo / Ballarat Super League
2. The Eastern bloc of Ballarat teams move to the Essendon District Comp (Melton, Darley, Sunbury, Bacchus Marsh & Melton South) are all commuter suburbs of Melbourne, not Country towns
3. Central Highlands FNL picks up Lake Wendouree and Trenthan and becomes a new 2-division Ballarat District competition (19 teams) - with promotion and relegation
4. Heathcote and Loddon Valley merge to create a new 2-division Bendigo District completion (add in Maryborough, Castlemaine and Flat) 21 Teams - with promotion and relegation
5 Maryborough / Castlemaine FNL stays as as new 12-team competition.

Yes radical, but something needs to be done. Creates competitively balanced comps and different levels of professionalism and viability - for the next 20 years.
 
Point 1 is highly unlikely to happen as it encompasses two different AFLV regions and the Ballarat FNL will never jettison the eastern bloc clubs because of their high value to the competition.

Point 2 will never, ever happen (see above). Especially because of the impact on netball. What you are suggesting would tear the fabric of those clubs apart.

Point 3 - CHFNL is already a quasi division two for the Ballarat league as it is - younger players go to a Ballarat league club to have a crack at a higher level and some come back to their old club in the CHFNL. An attempt was made to have a two division Central Highlands league about five years ago and there was incredible kickback and the idea was ditched. The same would happen if you tried to merge the Ballarat with the Central Highlands.

Point 4 - agree. HDFNL and LVFNL to act as a second division to the Bendigo league.


What the Bendigo-Ballarat super league idea would be is an attempt to solve Bendigo's problems but at the same time it would cause problems and upheaval for football in the Ballarat region. The admin and clubs in that region won't go for it.
 
MortlockWatcher said:
What the Bendigo-Ballarat super league idea would be is an attempt to solve Bendigo's problems but at the same time it would cause problems and upheaval for football in the Ballarat region. The admin and clubs in that region won't go for it.
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Generally agree with the points, but the question remains How do you fix the competitive imbalance in the Bendigo league - Everyone posts (and generally agrees) that the top 4 for the next 20 years will be Sandhurst, Square, Strath and Eaglehawk (assuming Gisborne end up in Riddell league one day).
 
As it sits currently, the HDFL is the most stable in central Victoria. Id imagine the carrot would want to be a juicy one for them to pull it all apart to help the shit shows that are Loddon Valley and Bendigo currently.
 
Earthmover said:
As it sits currently, the HDFL is the most stable in central Victoria. Id imagine the carrot would want to be a juicy one for them to pull it all apart to help the s**t shows that are Loddon Valley and Bendigo currently.
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this point gets consistently forgotten amongst all the excitement of trying to realign everything
 
Too Old Too Slow (TOTS) said:
Generally agree with the points, but the question remains How do you fix the competitive imbalance in the Bendigo league - Everyone posts (and generally agrees) that the top 4 for the next 20 years will be Sandhurst, Square, Strath and Eaglehawk (assuming Gisborne end up in Riddell league one day).
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Speaking from a Ballarat region viewpoint, you don't fix the Bendigo League problems by destroying leagues in our region. Solve your own shit fight.
 
Too Old Too Slow (TOTS) said:
The starting point has to be an agreement that Bendigo, Loddon Valley, Heathcote and Maryborough / Castlemaine leagues are completely farked with their competition imbalances - something has to be done ..... Einstein's definition of insanity.

1. Create a new Bendigo / Ballarat Super League
2. The Eastern bloc of Ballarat teams move to the Essendon District Comp (Melton, Darley, Sunbury, Bacchus Marsh & Melton South) are all commuter suburbs of Melbourne, not Country towns
3. Central Highlands FNL picks up Lake Wendouree and Trenthan and becomes a new 2-division Ballarat District competition (19 teams) - with promotion and relegation
4. Heathcote and Loddon Valley merge to create a new 2-division Bendigo District completion (add in Maryborough, Castlemaine and Flat) 21 Teams - with promotion and relegation
5 Maryborough / Castlemaine FNL stays as as new 12-team competition.

Yes radical, but something needs to be done. Creates competitively balanced comps and different levels of professionalism and viability - for the next 20 years.
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Again, why does Ballarat do that?
1) Trading out the Eastern Bloc for the Bendigo clubs doesn't equate to a super comp
2) You're not reading the room, those clubs do consider themselves rural clubs & have knocked back advances from the metro comps.
3) Why are we turfing Wendouree under this proposal?

In summation, tear the Ballarat comp apart because you're feeling vulnerable about the Bendigo comp - for no clear or discernable benefit to anyone.
 
Forest St End said:
Fair enough, but I’m pretty comfortable with it.



As I hear it the timeline goes talks started last year when the juniors and women were going. Bit of a push to bring everyone was made but was felt no chance of getting it past AFL CV.

Preseason didn’t go great for the club, talks continued through this year, Kyneton liked the way things operated with the women and juniors and when it was clear no progress was made on the field it became irresistible.

Decision was made at end of June to put it to club with the recommendation of the committee to leave. Once the AFL CV stuff happened they took the chance to bring plans forward and do it before the season ended.

Re Gisborne I think the disappointment is that the clubs have worked to make Good Friday an event and had planned to try again this year after the league stopped them this season (which certainly didn’t help the chances of staying). Gisborne felt that relationship might have warranted a heads up they were leaving.
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Decision was not made at end of June. That’s a fact.

Gisborne requested to play a home game against Strath in Round 1 in 2023, rather than play Good Friday against Kyneton.
 

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Mad Jack said:
Decision was not made at end of June. That’s a fact.

Gisborne requested to play a home game against Strath in Round 1 in 2023, rather than play Good Friday against Kyneton.
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I don’t think we are talking about the same thing there. Round one was the week after Good Friday.

I’m pretty confident Kyneton and Gisborne went to the league and asked to bring the round 14 game forward to play on Good Friday at Kyneton but were knocked back. And I’m pretty confident that was a factor in them leaving.

One of the reasons given was a bumper Good Friday game was a significant financial advantage over the competition, which apparently didn’t apply to other stand alone games over the years that happened further North.
 
They tried something recently with their little pow-wow with clubs but they forgot to consult with all the local leagues and get them on board first.

Had they done it the right way, we may have seen the process of change starting to occur in a more suitable way for all stakeholders.

Instead, the country clubs will now abandon the BFNL at the first opportunity and the league will end up becoming a six-club 'Bendigo Super League' if they cannot get Echuca, Rochester, Moama or any other decent team into the fold, and we know the odds of that happening.
 
MortlockWatcher said:
They tried something recently with their little pow-wow with clubs but they forgot to consult with all the local leagues and get them on board first.
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For maybe the only time ever I’m actually not critical of them for that.

There’s far too much self interest at play to try and get a consensus from clubs and leagues on the way forward.

I’d like to see the commission say this is how it will be from 2025 onwards, like it or go forward on your own.
 
I’m not a fan of AFL v by any means but this conversation is as stale as the competition.

Who wins this week?
Slagheads v Square should be a ripper. Both teams with great form. Square for me.

Eaglehawk v Strath. Holmes serves the Burra better when across half back.
Burra for me.

Hearing whispers that Wilsonx3 & Sharp will all be together next year.
 
Truck said:
I’m not a fan of AFL v by any means but this conversation is as stale as the competition.
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Think it’s a reflection of where the comp is at that the off field is more interesting than the on field.

Very beige competition at the moment, lacks star power and is pretty middling footy.

Crowds were flat last week, even the radio guys sounded bored. Easily the least interesting finals series I can remember over the past 40 plus seasons.
 
Too Old Too Slow (TOTS) said:
The starting point has to be an agreement that Bendigo, Loddon Valley, Heathcote and Maryborough / Castlemaine leagues are completely farked with their competition imbalances - something has to be done ..... Einstein's definition of insanity.

1. Create a new Bendigo / Ballarat Super League
2. The Eastern bloc of Ballarat teams move to the Essendon District Comp (Melton, Darley, Sunbury, Bacchus Marsh & Melton South) are all commuter suburbs of Melbourne, not Country towns
3. Central Highlands FNL picks up Lake Wendouree and Trenthan and becomes a new 2-division Ballarat District competition (19 teams) - with promotion and relegation
4. Heathcote and Loddon Valley merge to create a new 2-division Bendigo District completion (add in Maryborough, Castlemaine and Flat) 21 Teams - with promotion and relegation
5 Maryborough / Castlemaine FNL stays as as new 12-team competition.

Yes radical, but something needs to be done. Creates competitively balanced comps and different levels of professionalism and viability - for the next 20 years.
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I dont agree with point number 2. You should be mentioning Gisborne and Kynton as well in this category if you think Bacchus Marsh isnt a country town. The Ballarat league chased the Eastern sides to save the league as they could see what was going to happen. And who would want to play Metro footy, shit grounds, no atmosphere, no gate which we all rely on, and most of our grounds are fantastic and Metro dont have same day Netball. Not to mention the money a club has to spend to be competitive. I think we all agree no club in both our league's could afford that.
 
Truck said:
I’m not a fan of AFL v by any means but this conversation is as stale as the competition.

Who wins this week?
Slagheads v Square should be a ripper. Both teams with great form. Square for me.

Eaglehawk v Strath. Holmes serves the Burra better when across half back.
Burra for me.

Hearing whispers that Wilsonx3 & Sharp will all be together next year.
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Bridgewater?
 
Truck said:
I’m not a fan of AFL v by any means but this conversation is as stale as the competition.

Who wins this week?
Slagheads v Square should be a ripper. Both teams with great form. Square for me.

Eaglehawk v Strath. Holmes serves the Burra better when across half back.
Burra for me.

Hearing whispers that Wilsonx3 & Sharp will all be together next year.
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Got to agree with you, the endless speculation about the format of the BFL is as boring as bat shit, w***ers with no life just make crap up. Most people on here are no better than Caroline Wilson.Keogh from the Flat had signed with Castlemaine according to one “expert” on here and low and behold today the Flat has announced he has signed for another year, As for AFLCV they can f#ck off.
 

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