Best 22 for the start of 2017?
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Believe me, the TV broadcast was as bad. When Hannebery hurt his knee early (not serious but looked like it might have been) it took Brad Johnson around 20 seconds to finish his bullshit self indulgent anecdote before even noticing Hanners was hurt. It's especially frustrating when there's a bunch of newbies all with dark hair and jumpers in the 40s and you are trying to work out who is who. No help from the commentary team.
As to Fox, for me it was as much about the way he went about it as what he actually did. He was combative, competitive, composed (in relative terms) and just looked like a player who is ready at the level. One senior player tried to fend him off in a tackle at one point and his persistence to make the tackle stick just indicated to me that his jib had a nice shape to it.
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there is probably not room for both jones and mills in the midfield as we need at least one of them at halfback (i was hoping one of the newcomers would stand up in that halfback role and hopefully someone does in the next couple of games but noone seemed likely on sunday) but i don't see why they can't alternate through there.
up forward i think kieran jack is going to have to play a role, at least why papley and rohan are out (perhaps florent as well).
up forward i think kieran jack is going to have to play a role, at least why papley and rohan are out (perhaps florent as well).
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No question about that. The more easy goals the better. But footy is played differently now for the most part. Clean possession streaming forward just doesn't happen as often so key forwards just aren't going to take as many grabs.
But the maintenance of possession, and the retention of the ball in the forward line, are exactly what I'm talking about with respect to the value that Sam Reid has. Johannisen won the Norm Smith. Many of his possessions were from turnovers in our forward line. Reid's effectiveness in preventing that is critical. Richards' ineffectiveness was costly. Ask Horse quietly whether he should have rolled the dice in retrospect and I bet he'd say he should have.
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Decimated forward line with NO T.Mitchell (High half forward), Papley, Mcglynn and X.Richards all not there for early part of season
B: N.Smith - Grundy - Rampe
HB: Newman - Aliir - Jones/Mills
C: Lloyd - Kennedy - Jones/Mills
HF: Heeney - Franklin - K.Jack
F: Reid - Tippett - ????????(Florent/Fox/S.Edwards)
R: Naismith - Parker - Hannebery
INT: Hewett,Mcveigh, ? , ?
Those 3 spots well and truly up for grabs
Small forward spot either Florent/Fox/S.Edwards
Last 2 bench positions: Between the 2 of Florent/Fox/Edwards who miss out and also Robinson/Foote
Think id go with Robinson and Foote for extra midfield depth but maybe another small forward would be nice. Fox can do both.
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Yep the run and pace from McVeigh is just what we need off the half back line. Seriously after the GF why are people still considering him off the half back line? Shaun Edwards is the player to run off half back and through the middle.
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Yep. I think McVeigh, if he doesn't have value as a mid sized forward/high half forward, might be about cooked.
Not sure Edwards did enough to be "anointed" just yet but he's certainly in the mix. There are a few.....Newman, O'Riordan, Leonardis....
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i know what you mean but the fact is if mcveigh is fit he is going to play so you have to work to his strengths : disposal efficiency and endurance. i can see him rotating through hbf, hff and wing. sam mitchell is very slow but hawthorn just hide him at the back of the stoppages and it seems to work quite well for them.
Another game with Newman, Foote, Mills, Heeney, Jones, Hewett and Edwards should give us a good idea where we're at and what the coaching panel are thinking.
Rohan, Papley and Mitchell need replacing and anothee key needs to step up to take CHB, and Talia is not that person.
Rohan, Papley and Mitchell need replacing and anothee key needs to step up to take CHB, and Talia is not that person.
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Don't know why we're bothering with any of this,
Just select the team based on their haircut.
Just select the team based on their haircut.
You have to give Edwards a run early. Doesn't take much to realise he has all the tools and talent to burn, game fit, 20+ AFL games and on a one year deal. Back him in and do the hail mary properly.
I've got a spot in my best 22 for him.
I've got a spot in my best 22 for him.
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Edwards looks like a great pick up, if he can keep that solid form up he'll be right into the half back role currently held by McVeigh and Jones
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I don't think McVeigh is best 22. The guy's been a gun for our club, but times have changed. I don't think he plays with the sort of intensity and toughness you need from a) a veteran and b) a member of a team that's genuinely competing for a flag. Which leaves his disposals. I can't recall the last time he played a really great game, got plenty of the ball and used the ball well. If you took aside his decade-plus as a Swan as well as his captaincy during our most successful period, he's not a best 22 player.
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So just to get a general idea because i'm not doing too well at keeping up with things these days, but are people actually serious about playing any one of our first-year players (whether it Florent, Cameron, Fox, Hayward etc.) in round one? Not taking the piss just genuinely interested because we just made it to a grand final with a fairly balanced team and we also have a NEAFL side that have been pretty impressive with names who haven't even been given a chance yet (Not talking about the B. Jacks of the world, I mean the Newmans and Footes of the world.) I'm pretty surprised there's so many people calling for players we've seen so little of to get the call-up straight off the bat. Not opposed to the idea (it worked pretty well last year and in 2015 with Heeney) just want to be convinced 
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Maybe it's something to do with the surname?
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So just to get a general idea because i'm not doing too well at keeping up with things these days, but are people actually serious about playing any one of our first-year players (whether it Florent, Cameron, Fox, Hayward etc.) in round one? Not taking the piss just genuinely interested because we just made it to a grand final with a fairly balanced team and we also have a NEAFL side that have been pretty impressive with names who haven't even been given a chance yet (Not talking about the B. Jacks of the world, I mean the Newmans and Footes of the world.) I'm pretty surprised there's so many people calling for players we've seen so little of to get the call-up straight off the bat. Not opposed to the idea (it worked pretty well last year and in 2015 with Heeney) just want to be convinced
My assessment?
If Naismith is available, then Cameron won't be playing. He's fighting with Sinclair for the 3rd spot.
Florent? No.
Fox? Perhaps. More forward in his development than Florent and ready to go. Obviously his form in remaining practice matches will decide. But he looks a handy utility.
Hayward? I don't know anything about him.
From the GF side we have to replace Mitchell, McGlynn, Richards, Papley, and Rohan. And maybe Laidler, not sure on his recovery. He says he's ok.
Locks are Aliir, Reid.
Experienced NEAFL players are BJ, Foote, Towers, Rose, Cunningham, Robinson, Newman. You'd probably think Cunningham and Robinson were the leaders of that group.
So that's the equation. I give Fox a chance but I guess it comes down to the next couple of games.
*Yes, I know I'm making big assessments on not much exposed form.
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Well it seems that if your name's Marsh you just get selected, irrespective of your record.
(See Australian Test side).
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So just to get a general idea because i'm not doing too well at keeping up with things these days, but are people actually serious about playing any one of our first-year players (whether it Florent, Cameron, Fox, Hayward etc.) in round one? Not taking the piss just genuinely interested because we just made it to a grand final with a fairly balanced team and we also have a NEAFL side that have been pretty impressive with names who haven't even been given a chance yet (Not talking about the B. Jacks of the world, I mean the Newmans and Footes of the world.) I'm pretty surprised there's so many people calling for players we've seen so little of to get the call-up straight off the bat. Not opposed to the idea (it worked pretty well last year and in 2015 with Heeney) just want to be convinced
I'm more inclined to play Shaun Edwards. We did make the GF, but we were absolutely burnt on the outside. I'd also be comfortable giving Florent a go. I'm assuming Hayward won't be ready. We need some speed in our side, half the games we were turtle slow, against GWS and the Dogs we were smashed in that regard.
Reckon you're a bit tough on him with that statement. His efforts towards the end of the last year were more than capable and he was deadset stiff to get punted for the GF after Aliir went down. Given Mills and McV's GF performances, I'd back Marsh to have performed better than both.
He kept Tom Lynch almost kickless in the SF v Crows and was more than serviceable in the PF after Aliir went down.
Not a world beater by any stretch, but to say he doesn't deserve a spot on an AFL list is a bit rich...
Agreed. Every back six usually has 1-2 players who are serviceable and whose biggest asset is concentration.
Marsh is basically competing with Laidler for that role, but I could see him covering for Nick Smith, too.
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