Best 22 for the start of 2017?
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Is that a certainty? I think Sinclairs position to lose.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Sydney support that has sinkers above Naismith. We actually started winning centre clearances once big Sammy got the call up.
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Agreed big Sam is miles ahead of Sinkers. His match against Geelong was real phenomenal, showed so much for such a young gun. Even if he stepped off the gas a little you'd keep him because his ceiling is much higher than Sinclair's
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I onow he's not best 22 atm but I wonder if Foote can get himself in the door at some point this year.
Was a great season last year going by his stats & for the few games I watched. Reward for effort ala Titch, Marsh, Lloyd, Hewy, Xav etc
Was a great season last year going by his stats & for the few games I watched. Reward for effort ala Titch, Marsh, Lloyd, Hewy, Xav etc
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Hb Rampe
C. Kennedy
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Rewarding consistency
All other spots are open
Hb Rampe
C. Kennedy
Hf Heeney
F. Franklin
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Rewarding consistency
All other spots are open
I would have Mills in there too, prior to getting injured late I thought he was one of our most consistent performers across the season.
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No hanners or Parker?
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Oh yeah. Forgot about that
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Actually think in terms of consistent performers, Jake Lloyd would be right up there last season coming off halfback.
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You're taking a very limited definition of consistent.
Sinclair in the ruck (consistently mediocre)
Rohan somewhere (consistently does stuff for a few minutes per game)
McVeigh back pocket (points consistently)
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Hey guys and girls, sorry to intrude but looking to visit all the club best 22's over the next couple of weeks before Xmas. I'm up to Sydney so here's my crack at your best 22. Appreciate any feedback
FB: Dane Rampe ~ Heath Grundy ~ Nick Smith
HB: Callum Mills ~ Allir Allir ~ Jarrad McVeigh
CENTRE: Isaac Heeney ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Kieran Jack
FOLL: Sam Naismith ~ Luke Parker ~ Dan Hannebery
HF: Gary Rohan ~ Sam Reid ~ George Hewett/ Jake Lloyd (defensive h/f) OR James Rose (attacking h/f)
FF: Tom Papley ~ Kurt Tippett ~ Lance Franklin
INT: Harry Cunningham ~ Zak Jones ~ 2 of Hewett, Lloyd and Rose
I'll begin with the full back line. Strong line there with good experience and leadership. Rampe is a very effective under-sized third tall defender and is a more attacking option than Laidler. The ideal situation for player and team is a fully fit and firing Alex Johnson back into the 22, possibly McVeigh loses his back 6 six role and Rampe becomes a purely attacking defender, setting up play off HB.
Grundy isn't the most offensively effective player in the team but in the greater scheme of things he is arguably the most valuable as the go to key defender allowing Melican and to a lesser extent Maibaum initially the opportunity to test themselves more at NEAFL level.
Smith i don't need to add much on. Renowned as one of the best small defenders in the comp, rarely beaten but outside of NSW he is shockingly under rated.
Mills had a terrific first season and adjusted from juniors/NEAFL to AFL with ease finding a role for himself off HB before no doubt becoming a permanent midfield fixture in the future.
Allir was a revelation down back until his year ended prematurely in the prelim final. Debuted early in the year and was a regular in the 22 from that point. Important tall defender post Grundy and Ted Richards but whether he is better as a KPD or a more attacking third tall can still be found out.
For the start of 2017 McVeigh has the credits in the bank but think over the course of the year it'd be more beneficial to see his place in the 18 being taken by Zak Jones. Still offers plenty of leadership and experience to the team and can lead a relatively inexperienced second tier midfield with a calm head and heading the culture of the Swans.
Heeney's next move is to the midfield, no doubt about that especially with the loss of Tom Mitchell. Has completed his apprenticeship as more of a medium sized forward but has all the traits and body size to become a starting midfielder in 2017.
Jack on the left footer's wingman brings some extra run and carry to the midfield and class by foot. With his pressure and ability to hit the scoreboard he can be an effective HF as well.
I'm a big fan of the way that Kennedy controls the midfield. Was a clear best on ground for the Swans in the Grand Final and when the Swans needed someone to stand up it was largely Kennedy that delivered. A real warrior in the midfield and will thrive under the new captaincy role.
Parker like Kennedy I've always rated highly, even in his draft year 2010 I was surprised with how late he was drafted. Suits the Swans style of game to a tee and for me I was surprised to not see him named the new captain. Next in lone to Kennedy surely.
With his gut running Hannebery compliments the hardness of Parker and Kennedy well. Knows how to win the ball inside and outside and along with Parker, Mills and Heeney in particular will form an elite midfield, as much as I hate to use that word I think thats the best work to describe it.
Naismith tracked very well over the 2016 season and is deserving of a lead ruck role in 2017. For a guy with less games experience than some more experienced team mates I thought he performed well in the GF and wasn't overawed by the occasion. Key for him now is to keep tracking upward and be a more more damaging player deep forward.
Can imagine Rohan would be a frustrating player to support. When his on he can change the nature of a game in a quick burst but when his not "on" he can be a liability. All the talent in the world just the application can go missing, often with longer term injuries to which can't be helped but needs to continue to work on getting the consistency between his best and worst to a lesser margin of error.
Also an injury plagued player a fit Sam Reid is so important to the tall forward structure with Franklin and Tippett because he is a different type of tall forward to them. At his best is a very capable CHF/ HF if Franklin is at CHF in my opinion and straightens the Swans up looking inside 50. I know it's over 4 years ago now but it's a game I've watched numerous times before and his ability to play his role in the 2012 GF was very good. Not amongst the best for the Swans but like I said before straightened them up and kicked a big, team lifting goal from a fast defensive transition in the 2nd quarter when the Swans had a lot of the momentum.
Papley was a surprise packet to outsiders in 2016 but I think it was clear within the Swans four walls that he was a talented small forward and had the support and backing at selection from his big forwards already before Round 1 Think the story goes that Buddy as a leader within the club and forward line said that "he wanted him (Papley) playing alongside me."
Tippett is a little bit like Rohan where the difference between his on and off days are noticeable. The gap is not as wide as it is for Rohan but still does go missing when his team needs him. Became more of a ruck/ forward after Pyke's retirement before season 2016 and handles the role well enough without starring as a ruckman.
Don't need to add much on Franklin expect that from an outsider perspective it was great to see him back in 2016 after he was sorely missed in the 2015 finals, especially when Reid went down against Freo as well. Was unfairly criticized by opposition supporters for being part of another losing GF side and not contributing enough but the facts are he was hampered with injury and the team defence game of the Bulldogs was very strong. They helped out Hamling whenever they could by filling gaps or creating extra numbers at contests.
The other HF spot is up for grabs. Lloyd and Hewett are defensively strong players that can keep the ball locked inside 50 or do you go the attacking option in Rose who with some added size to his body and the ability to draw at most a 4th defender. Rose is a promising player of the future who may should see some extra midfield/w wing time as well however if Will Hayward has a strong pre season and begins the season well with 2's he could be a bolter for Rose's spot in the 22.
Lloyd and Hewett were both regular best 22 members in 2016 and offer some versatility in what and where they play.
Cunningham is one of a few Swans with genuine leg speed which is where he needs to play a role in my opinion. Swans were hurt by the Bulldogs outside speed and smarts on GF day and actively sought Oli Florent from Sandingham and to a lesser extent Hayward at the draft because of this. Albeit lighter bodied if he can have a good pre season I wouldn't be surprised to see Florent push for selection early because of that need for leg speed and class on the outside.
Zak Jones I mentioned before when talking about McVveigh. I'd love to see him regularly off that HB during 2017, maybe even from Round 1. Uses his strengths to run and carry the ball well and is as good as a lock in 2017 in my opinion.
Moving on to the recent draft and I think with the 4 draftees Hayward, Florent, Maibaum and Cameron its met some needs for the team and topped up in an area where they lost 3 rucks over the off season (including Galloway who was a long shot at best) by bringing in Cameron.
Although he showed his ability late in the year to hit the scoreboard Hayward was just as effective as a midfielder for North Adelaide and SA. Has some bulk to put on before getting a midfield look in at the Swans but if his hitting the scoreboard could put pressure on Rose along with Jordan Dawson.
Florent was a real needs based midfielder. Outside pace and class by foot - TICK. There was talk about him being a flight risk due to being away from his family ater losing his father during 2016 but the Swans did there due diligence pre draft and convinced him and his family that they were a good club to be drafted to albeit not in Victoria and that they would support him strongly off the field.
Maibaum is a strong defender who will slot into the NEAFL side with ease. For a teenager his a good size and defends very well. Whether he grows into a KPD at AFL level or becomes another third tall defender time will tell, the Swans have had great success with Grundy as a 192 cm defender, but to be a third tall defender he'll need to improve his attacking game.
Cameron is someone I got to track a little bit more in the WAFL in 2016 and can genuinely say he is now physically ready to be on an AFL list. Bypassed in multiple drafts since his draft year he is now a very imposing figure who rests forward effectively. Worked hard on his competitiveness, tap work and versatility and is ready to play AFL if required in 2017.
From the rookie draft Ben Ronke looks like a good selection. Even if elevated still has areas of improvement before gaining selection at AFL but his outside pace obviously caught the Swans eye.
When the Swans missed Luke Ryan at the National Draft I presume Fox was a plan B. Defender/ midfielder, ready to play if required and like Ronke has the speed the Swans are wanting.
Fisher's a local product gained under the Category B if i remember right. Uses the ball well by foot and seems to have time on his hands when he gets it, just needs to get it more.
Pink's a low risk, high reward type pick. Known as being the winning point kicker for Glenelg he'll compete hard but probably won't be a KPF at AFL level. If he can work on his endurance can become an effectively third tall like Lynch at the Crows.
Shaun Edwards was a surprise although rated by the Swans. Low risk, high reward and if he can take his opportunity and make the most of a 3rd chance on an AFL list than good for him and Sydney. Exciting player who again brings that outside speed and skill that the Swans have lacked and got shown up in both losing finals during the 2016 campaign. Make or break one year deal possibly.
Good luck in 2017, I've always had a soft spot for the Swans and wish you guys well. No doubt another finals series is on the cards next year and hopefully another flag before those upstarts from the Western Suburbs of Sydney
FB: Dane Rampe ~ Heath Grundy ~ Nick Smith
HB: Callum Mills ~ Allir Allir ~ Jarrad McVeigh
CENTRE: Isaac Heeney ~ Josh Kennedy ~ Kieran Jack
FOLL: Sam Naismith ~ Luke Parker ~ Dan Hannebery
HF: Gary Rohan ~ Sam Reid ~ George Hewett/ Jake Lloyd (defensive h/f) OR James Rose (attacking h/f)
FF: Tom Papley ~ Kurt Tippett ~ Lance Franklin
INT: Harry Cunningham ~ Zak Jones ~ 2 of Hewett, Lloyd and Rose
I'll begin with the full back line. Strong line there with good experience and leadership. Rampe is a very effective under-sized third tall defender and is a more attacking option than Laidler. The ideal situation for player and team is a fully fit and firing Alex Johnson back into the 22, possibly McVeigh loses his back 6 six role and Rampe becomes a purely attacking defender, setting up play off HB.
Grundy isn't the most offensively effective player in the team but in the greater scheme of things he is arguably the most valuable as the go to key defender allowing Melican and to a lesser extent Maibaum initially the opportunity to test themselves more at NEAFL level.
Smith i don't need to add much on. Renowned as one of the best small defenders in the comp, rarely beaten but outside of NSW he is shockingly under rated.
Mills had a terrific first season and adjusted from juniors/NEAFL to AFL with ease finding a role for himself off HB before no doubt becoming a permanent midfield fixture in the future.
Allir was a revelation down back until his year ended prematurely in the prelim final. Debuted early in the year and was a regular in the 22 from that point. Important tall defender post Grundy and Ted Richards but whether he is better as a KPD or a more attacking third tall can still be found out.
For the start of 2017 McVeigh has the credits in the bank but think over the course of the year it'd be more beneficial to see his place in the 18 being taken by Zak Jones. Still offers plenty of leadership and experience to the team and can lead a relatively inexperienced second tier midfield with a calm head and heading the culture of the Swans.
Heeney's next move is to the midfield, no doubt about that especially with the loss of Tom Mitchell. Has completed his apprenticeship as more of a medium sized forward but has all the traits and body size to become a starting midfielder in 2017.
Jack on the left footer's wingman brings some extra run and carry to the midfield and class by foot. With his pressure and ability to hit the scoreboard he can be an effective HF as well.
I'm a big fan of the way that Kennedy controls the midfield. Was a clear best on ground for the Swans in the Grand Final and when the Swans needed someone to stand up it was largely Kennedy that delivered. A real warrior in the midfield and will thrive under the new captaincy role.
Parker like Kennedy I've always rated highly, even in his draft year 2010 I was surprised with how late he was drafted. Suits the Swans style of game to a tee and for me I was surprised to not see him named the new captain. Next in lone to Kennedy surely.
With his gut running Hannebery compliments the hardness of Parker and Kennedy well. Knows how to win the ball inside and outside and along with Parker, Mills and Heeney in particular will form an elite midfield, as much as I hate to use that word I think thats the best work to describe it.
Naismith tracked very well over the 2016 season and is deserving of a lead ruck role in 2017. For a guy with less games experience than some more experienced team mates I thought he performed well in the GF and wasn't overawed by the occasion. Key for him now is to keep tracking upward and be a more more damaging player deep forward.
Can imagine Rohan would be a frustrating player to support. When his on he can change the nature of a game in a quick burst but when his not "on" he can be a liability. All the talent in the world just the application can go missing, often with longer term injuries to which can't be helped but needs to continue to work on getting the consistency between his best and worst to a lesser margin of error.
Also an injury plagued player a fit Sam Reid is so important to the tall forward structure with Franklin and Tippett because he is a different type of tall forward to them. At his best is a very capable CHF/ HF if Franklin is at CHF in my opinion and straightens the Swans up looking inside 50. I know it's over 4 years ago now but it's a game I've watched numerous times before and his ability to play his role in the 2012 GF was very good. Not amongst the best for the Swans but like I said before straightened them up and kicked a big, team lifting goal from a fast defensive transition in the 2nd quarter when the Swans had a lot of the momentum.
Papley was a surprise packet to outsiders in 2016 but I think it was clear within the Swans four walls that he was a talented small forward and had the support and backing at selection from his big forwards already before Round 1 Think the story goes that Buddy as a leader within the club and forward line said that "he wanted him (Papley) playing alongside me."
Tippett is a little bit like Rohan where the difference between his on and off days are noticeable. The gap is not as wide as it is for Rohan but still does go missing when his team needs him. Became more of a ruck/ forward after Pyke's retirement before season 2016 and handles the role well enough without starring as a ruckman.
Don't need to add much on Franklin expect that from an outsider perspective it was great to see him back in 2016 after he was sorely missed in the 2015 finals, especially when Reid went down against Freo as well. Was unfairly criticized by opposition supporters for being part of another losing GF side and not contributing enough but the facts are he was hampered with injury and the team defence game of the Bulldogs was very strong. They helped out Hamling whenever they could by filling gaps or creating extra numbers at contests.
The other HF spot is up for grabs. Lloyd and Hewett are defensively strong players that can keep the ball locked inside 50 or do you go the attacking option in Rose who with some added size to his body and the ability to draw at most a 4th defender. Rose is a promising player of the future who may should see some extra midfield/w wing time as well however if Will Hayward has a strong pre season and begins the season well with 2's he could be a bolter for Rose's spot in the 22.
Lloyd and Hewett were both regular best 22 members in 2016 and offer some versatility in what and where they play.
Cunningham is one of a few Swans with genuine leg speed which is where he needs to play a role in my opinion. Swans were hurt by the Bulldogs outside speed and smarts on GF day and actively sought Oli Florent from Sandingham and to a lesser extent Hayward at the draft because of this. Albeit lighter bodied if he can have a good pre season I wouldn't be surprised to see Florent push for selection early because of that need for leg speed and class on the outside.
Zak Jones I mentioned before when talking about McVveigh. I'd love to see him regularly off that HB during 2017, maybe even from Round 1. Uses his strengths to run and carry the ball well and is as good as a lock in 2017 in my opinion.
Moving on to the recent draft and I think with the 4 draftees Hayward, Florent, Maibaum and Cameron its met some needs for the team and topped up in an area where they lost 3 rucks over the off season (including Galloway who was a long shot at best) by bringing in Cameron.
Although he showed his ability late in the year to hit the scoreboard Hayward was just as effective as a midfielder for North Adelaide and SA. Has some bulk to put on before getting a midfield look in at the Swans but if his hitting the scoreboard could put pressure on Rose along with Jordan Dawson.
Florent was a real needs based midfielder. Outside pace and class by foot - TICK. There was talk about him being a flight risk due to being away from his family ater losing his father during 2016 but the Swans did there due diligence pre draft and convinced him and his family that they were a good club to be drafted to albeit not in Victoria and that they would support him strongly off the field.
Maibaum is a strong defender who will slot into the NEAFL side with ease. For a teenager his a good size and defends very well. Whether he grows into a KPD at AFL level or becomes another third tall defender time will tell, the Swans have had great success with Grundy as a 192 cm defender, but to be a third tall defender he'll need to improve his attacking game.
Cameron is someone I got to track a little bit more in the WAFL in 2016 and can genuinely say he is now physically ready to be on an AFL list. Bypassed in multiple drafts since his draft year he is now a very imposing figure who rests forward effectively. Worked hard on his competitiveness, tap work and versatility and is ready to play AFL if required in 2017.
From the rookie draft Ben Ronke looks like a good selection. Even if elevated still has areas of improvement before gaining selection at AFL but his outside pace obviously caught the Swans eye.
When the Swans missed Luke Ryan at the National Draft I presume Fox was a plan B. Defender/ midfielder, ready to play if required and like Ronke has the speed the Swans are wanting.
Fisher's a local product gained under the Category B if i remember right. Uses the ball well by foot and seems to have time on his hands when he gets it, just needs to get it more.
Pink's a low risk, high reward type pick. Known as being the winning point kicker for Glenelg he'll compete hard but probably won't be a KPF at AFL level. If he can work on his endurance can become an effectively third tall like Lynch at the Crows.
Shaun Edwards was a surprise although rated by the Swans. Low risk, high reward and if he can take his opportunity and make the most of a 3rd chance on an AFL list than good for him and Sydney. Exciting player who again brings that outside speed and skill that the Swans have lacked and got shown up in both losing finals during the 2016 campaign. Make or break one year deal possibly.
Good luck in 2017, I've always had a soft spot for the Swans and wish you guys well. No doubt another finals series is on the cards next year and hopefully another flag before those upstarts from the Western Suburbs of Sydney
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That's as comprehensive a knowledge of the Swans as you'll see. Great work. Can't imagine putting in that effort for another team!
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Hey guys and girls, sorry to intrude but looking to visit all the club best 22's over the next couple of weeks before Xmas. I'm up to Sydney so here's my crack at your best 22.
Good luck in 2017, I've always had a soft spot for the Swans and wish you guys well. No doubt another finals series is on the cards next year and hopefully another flag before those upstarts from the Western Suburbs of Sydney
That is a fantastic post mate - thanks so much for some decent outsiders analysis. I was interested in your view on Cameron - I have a couple of Perth based friends that watch a bit of WAFL, and they have both said they think he could be a real surprise packet, and a genuine chance to really push for a place in the team later on in the season. I have little doubt that if he is as decent as his 2016 season in the WAFL suggests, he will chomp it up in the NEAFL and put some serious pressure on the other ruckmen.
I really like Naismith and think he is a clear first ruckmen to start 2017 (I don't honestly rate Sinclair that highly), but will be watching what Cameron can do.
Agree with what your mates are saying.
I was away from Perth in 2014 and 2015 so can't comment on the progression from recent years but getting a gauge from watching footage and reading draft profiles he has definitely found that consistentency which was evidently lacking before.
Like most under developed rucks/ KPP's the difference between his best and worst form was evident but was far more effective as a forward in 2016.
Surprisingly enough for his size he was named CHF in the WAFL Team of the Year but I think that was more trying to fit him as the second ruckman rather than him being a CHF long term.
You've genuinely got a ripper there. Fingers crossed he can put some pressure on Tippett.
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i like the eagles fan left Sinclair out, he knows where its at
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Yeh Naismith progressed rapidly in 2016 and Callum has a task ahead of him to get back into the 22, unless injury allows for it.
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Throw in a packet of crisps from Bondi as well and I'll say it's a deal.
Darcy Cameron will move ahead of Sinclair at selection fairly swiftly I think
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