Mega Thread Best 22 Season 2012

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[Beesto]

You said we can't have a second ruck on the bench.

Again, stop making things up. You may need to stick to stats. Words don't seem to be your strong suit.

Try playing the ball, and not the man. Makes for a better read.

Humor me and ad in a stat or two about how many teams started their 2nd ruckman on the bench.

This thread was a half decent read for a while.

 

[vonn]

Again, stop making things up. You may need to stick to stats. Words don't seem to be your strong suit.

Try playing the ball, and not the man. Makes for a better read.

Humor me and ad in a stat or two about how many teams started their 2nd ruckman on the bench.

This thread was a half decent read for a while.

Lol @ irony. .

 

[SM]

Again, stop making things up. You may need to stick to stats. Words don't seem to be your strong suit.

Try playing the ball, and not the man. Makes for a better read.

Humor me and ad in a stat or two about how many teams started their 2nd ruckman on the bench.

This thread was a half decent read for a while.

Drop the attitude or you'll quickly find you have no friends around here. As Vonn pointed out, you're being ridiculously hypocritical.

 

[Jaddo]

SYDNEY SWANS 2012 TEAM

B: Nicholas Smith, Ted Richards, Alex Johnson
HB: Rhyce Shaw, Heath Grundy, Martin Mattner
C: Lewis Jetta, Adam Goodes, Gary Rohan
HF: Jude Bolton, Ryan O’Keefe, Jarrad McVeigh
F: Ben McGlynn, Sam Reid, Daniel Hannebery
Foll: Shane Mumford, Kieren Jack, Josh Kennedy

I/C: Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Luke Parker, Nick Malceski, (Craig Bird)


Reserves: Matt Spangher, Mitch Morton, Tony Armstrong, Tommy Walsh, Craig Bird, Jarred Moore, Mark Seaby, Brett Meredith, Mike Pyke, Trent Dennis-Lane, Andrejs Everitt, Nathan Gordon, Jed Lamb, Tom Mitchell, Alex Brown, Jordan Lockyer, Harry Cunningham,

We have heaps of depth now, guys like LRT and Everitt to put pressure on under performing defenders, back up ruckmen in case Mumford has another tough year with injury and suspension and still enough younger midfielders like jetta, parker, meredith, bird and mitchell to push for selection. Forward line has been a problem, but big guys like reid, walsh and white will be good and then the smaller guys like morton and and mcglynn and still got spangher and TDL who will push. So we are good in all departments with heaps of depth and the team looks much younger now, heaps of youth coming through.

 

[Beesto]

Drop the attitude or you'll quickly find you have no friends around here. As Vonn pointed out, you're being ridiculously hypocritical.

You attack me. I bite back and I have the problem.

Didn't come on this site to make friends I have enough of those. So I don't see that as a problem.

Rhino posts a team, but dose not want any criticism of it. You can call me buddy but I can't return the favor.

All a bit precious.

 

[Keyter]

SYDNEY SWANS 2012 TEAM

B: Nicholas Smith, Ted Richards, Alex Johnson
HB: Rhyce Shaw, Heath Grundy, Martin Mattner
C: Jarrad McVeigh, Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy
HF: Ryan O’Keefe, Sam Reid, Ben McGlynn
F: Tommy Walsh, Jesse White, Mitch Morton
Foll: Shane Mumford, Kieren Jack, Daniel Hannebery
I/C: Jude Bolton, Nick Malceski, Gary Rohan, (Tony Armstrong)

Reserves: Craig Bird, Lewis Jetta, Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Jarred Moore, Mark Seaby, Brett Meredith, Luke Parker, Mike Pyke, Trent Dennis-Lane, Andrejs Everitt, Matt Spangher, Nathan Gordon, Jed Lamb, Tom Mitchell

Thats a pretty good call. IMO, one of the seniors, ie either Shaw, O'Keefe, Mattner, or Bolton will fall away. Not drastic but enough to make a difference. Like Kennelly this year.

White & Malceski may struggle aw well.

Looking for a big year from TDL, Mitchell, Lamb, Walsh and Armstrong.

 

[S120]

Marty, Rhyce and ROK all played out great years in 2011. In fact Rhyce and Marty played career best footy IMO while ROK showed his ability by being a consistent ball winner but then also going forward and showing he still has great value up there (in the St.Kilda final). So those 3 I think should play relatively stable footy this year (compared to this year, given they don't get hurt).

Jude is the interesting one. Started 2011 brilliantly and proved many doubters who thought he was gone wrong. But that knee injury he sustained really slowed him down and another injury could do the same in 2012 such is the nature of an aging body. If he can stay fit, I'd expect him to be a very consistent contributor. I think we'll see him up forward and across HF more in 2012 with our midfield being filled up by Jack, Kennedy, Hannebery, Goodes, ROK etc. Showed he can take a contested mark and convert accurately. Could be very valuable for us.

 

[TheWhiteRhino]

SYDNEY SWANS 2012 TEAM

B: Nicholas Smith, Ted Richards, Alex Johnson
HB: Rhyce Shaw, Heath Grundy, Martin Mattner
C: Jarrad McVeigh, Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy
HF: Ryan O’Keefe, Sam Reid, Ben McGlynn
F: Tommy Walsh, Jesse White, Mitch Morton
Foll: Shane Mumford, Kieren Jack, Daniel Hannebery
I/C: Jude Bolton, Nick Malceski, Gary Rohan, (Tony Armstrong)

Reserves: Craig Bird, Lewis Jetta, Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Jarred Moore, Mark Seaby, Brett Meredith, Luke Parker, Mike Pyke, Trent Dennis-Lane, Andrejs Everitt, Matt Spangher, Nathan Gordon, Jed Lamb, Tom Mitchell

We have heaps of depth now, guys like LRT and Everitt to put pressure on under performing defenders, back up ruckmen in case Mumford has another tough year with injury and suspension and still enough younger midfielders like jetta, parker, meredith, bird and mitchell to push for selection. Forward line has been a problem, but big guys like reid, walsh and white will be good and then the smaller guys like morton and and mcglynn and still got spangher and TDL who will push. So we are good in all departments with heaps of depth and the team looks much younger now, heaps of youth coming through.

That's exactly the same as my team instead you have White on the ground over Rohan.

I have a feeling Beesto will love it!!

 

[Jaddo]

Haha yeah, I don't agree with Beesto's comments. Keep Reid and Walsh up forward permanently and use Jesse White as a 3rd tall forward/back up ruck and occasionally throw Goodes in the forward.

Guys like McGlynn, O'Keefe and Bolton are all still capable of playing midfield, we have enough players to rotate through there.

And I agree, in the next year or two guys like Bolton, Shaw and Mattner will slowly decline and eventually be replaced, but it is a postitive that we are developing a new core group of younger players like Mumford, Jack, Kennedy, etc.

 

[swansfan51]

Forward line is too tall with O'Keefe, Reid, White and Walsh imo. I'd like to think Parker is still worthy of best 22 as well. I'd certainly have him ahead of someone like Morton anyway.

Depends which Mitch Morton turns up. The good one would be in our top dozen players


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[baja]

Depends which Mitch Morton turns up. The good one would be in our top dozen players


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Worth mentioning was the goal above against Geelong was from a very well known tricky pocket because of the wind factor, and the mark, no hands whatso ever..
I know I said it before he snaps like Stevie J.
I hope the penny has dropped with him he could be a star.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

SYDNEY SWANS 2012 TEAM

B: Nicholas Smith, Ted Richards, Alex Johnson
HB: Rhyce Shaw, Heath Grundy, Martin Mattner
C: Jarrad McVeigh, Adam Goodes, Josh Kennedy
HF: Ryan O’Keefe, Sam Reid, Ben McGlynn
F: Tommy Walsh, Jesse White, Mitch Morton
Foll: Shane Mumford, Kieren Jack, Daniel Hannebery
I/C: Jude Bolton, Nick Malceski, Gary Rohan, (Tony Armstrong)

Reserves: Craig Bird, Lewis Jetta, Lewis Roberts-Thompson, Jarred Moore, Mark Seaby, Brett Meredith, Luke Parker, Mike Pyke, Trent Dennis-Lane, Andrejs Everitt, Matt Spangher, Nathan Gordon, Jed Lamb, Tom Mitchell

I like your team for the most part, but doubt Morton & Armstrong will make the team without proving themselves first. I bolded the ones I thought should be a lock with LRT capable of dislodging Mattner/Grundy

Of our older players, Bolton's probably the most likely to decline in 2012, which should provide more opportunities for Bird/Parker.
ROK's a year younger than Bolts and has shown he can play through injury, but may also be prone to getting an injury. I'd expect him to play most/all games in 2012.
Mattner is probably the next candidate who may drop off in 2012 ala leo barry/kennelly where the speed of the game might catch up to him. In saying that, he had a fantastic season in 2011 and if he can modify his game to ensure he's not getting caught, then he may continue to contribute. He really took his game to another level in 2011 when most thought he may find himself on the outer.
Shaw should continue his run in 2012, he does the job, he's versatile and the coaches love his work.
LRT's a strange one, he kinda lost his place in the team after coming back from injury last year, but couldn't really cement his spot in the backline. He doesn't belong in the forward line, and with the recruitment of Walsh (thank god), he should be played down back or nowhere. Having him double as a back-up ruckman is also a strange one. As a coach I wouldn't want a defender going into the ruck as it could destabilize the defence. LRT's great for taking the Clokes of the league. I see him possibly rotating with Grundy/Mattner in the backline depending on matchups/injuries & form.
Nick Malceski, as mentioned by another poster, is one of our mid-aged players who will really want to impress in 2012. He was in/out of the team due to form/injury and has only shown glimpses of what he's capable of. He'll put in 110% over the pre-season and come back ready to fire, but if he gets his by another injury (even a minor one) and fails to rediscover the form he's capable of, he may find himself in and out of the team for a couple of years before being de-listed. His career really is on the line. I sure hope he can, cause at his best he's got a deadly kick and is the perfect weapon against the forward press.

White/Spangher/Everitt fighting for the last forward spot, White/Spangher possible defenders.
Craig Bird & Luke Parker first tom come in for midfield/small forward role
Jetta, TDL will need to continue to develop to get a look in 2012, and I wouldn't expect many games for teh younger guys unless they really earned it on the track/in the reserves, so if we see the younger guys get a game I'd expect them to have an impact.
Jarred Moore, Meredith & probably Seaby will see little game time before being delisted after 2012. Seabs may get another shot if something happens to Pyke/Mummy

 

[Jaddo]

I like your team for the most part, but doubt Morton & Armstrong will make the team without proving themselves first. I bolded the ones I thought should be a lock with LRT capable of dislodging Mattner/Grundy

Of our older players, Bolton's probably the most likely to decline in 2012, which should provide more opportunities for Bird/Parker.
ROK's a year younger than Bolts and has shown he can play through injury, but may also be prone to getting an injury. I'd expect him to play most/all games in 2012.
Mattner is probably the next candidate who may drop off in 2012 ala leo barry/kennelly where the speed of the game might catch up to him. In saying that, he had a fantastic season in 2011 and if he can modify his game to ensure he's not getting caught, then he may continue to contribute. He really took his game to another level in 2011 when most thought he may find himself on the outer.
Shaw should continue his run in 2012, he does the job, he's versatile and the coaches love his work.
LRT's a strange one, he kinda lost his place in the team after coming back from injury last year, but couldn't really cement his spot in the backline. He doesn't belong in the forward line, and with the recruitment of Walsh (thank god), he should be played down back or nowhere. Having him double as a back-up ruckman is also a strange one. As a coach I wouldn't want a defender going into the ruck as it could destabilize the defence. LRT's great for taking the Clokes of the league. I see him possibly rotating with Grundy/Mattner in the backline depending on matchups/injuries & form.
Nick Malceski, as mentioned by another poster, is one of our mid-aged players who will really want to impress in 2012. He was in/out of the team due to form/injury and has only shown glimpses of what he's capable of. He'll put in 110% over the pre-season and come back ready to fire, but if he gets his by another injury (even a minor one) and fails to rediscover the form he's capable of, he may find himself in and out of the team for a couple of years before being de-listed. His career really is on the line. I sure hope he can, cause at his best he's got a deadly kick and is the perfect weapon against the forward press.

White/Spangher/Everitt fighting for the last forward spot, White/Spangher possible defenders.
Craig Bird & Luke Parker first tom come in for midfield/small forward role
Jetta, TDL will need to continue to develop to get a look in 2012, and I wouldn't expect many games for teh younger guys unless they really earned it on the track/in the reserves, so if we see the younger guys get a game I'd expect them to have an impact.
Jarred Moore, Meredith & probably Seaby will see little game time before being delisted after 2012. Seabs may get another shot if something happens to Pyke/Mummy

I'd agree with that, but a curious one, you say LRT could replace Grundy/Mattner, does that mean we rate Richards as a first choice defender over Grundy to play on a key forward? I'm a big Ted Richards fan, but he spent a while out and I thought Grundy had kind of taken on the responsibility of the key forward. Many times this season it was Richards who got first opportunity to play on the Franklin's and Riewoldt's and every time I got angry at Longmire for doing it. Richards seemed to struggle and when the move was made for Grundy to take over, he seemed to do a better job.

 

[AG]

Did you watch Richards this year? One of the first picked based on season form. He doesn't just get shunted back to the reserves because of his reputation and assuming his brilliant season was a once off. He deserves every chance to back it up. If come mid way through the season and LRT deserves to take FB back off him then so be it. At the moment though, Richards is a lock imo.

From memory Franklin and Petrie were the only two who Richards clearly struggled with.

 

[S120]

Barry Hall at the SCG later in the year as well. But the point remains, Teddy is our first choice key defender.

 

[Super sub]

LRT's a strange one, he kinda lost his place in the team after coming back from injury last year, but couldn't really cement his spot in the backline. He doesn't belong in the forward line, and with the recruitment of Walsh (thank god), he should be played down back or nowhere.

Fear not he has been told he will be playing down back next year by the coaching staff.

No more pinch hitting in the ruck or playing forward. Good news for him and especially us.

 

[drasticswans]

Fear not he has been told he will be playing down back next year by the coaching staff.

No more pinch hitting in the ruck or playing forward. Good news for him and especially us.

so what would that do to our lineup? Richards, grundy and LRT all in one backline? I just wonder if they would all fit, especially when u consider, malceski, smith, AJ, Shaw, mattner aswell.

 

[baja]

its a handy problem to have...

 

[GoTheSwannies]

I'd agree with that, but a curious one, you say LRT could replace Grundy/Mattner, does that mean we rate Richards as a first choice defender over Grundy to play on a key forward? I'm a big Ted Richards fan, but he spent a while out and I thought Grundy had kind of taken on the responsibility of the key forward. Many times this season it was Richards who got first opportunity to play on the Franklin's and Riewoldt's and every time I got angry at Longmire for doing it. Richards seemed to struggle and when the move was made for Grundy to take over, he seemed to do a better job.

I would rate Richards as being more consistent than Grundy over the course of 2011, there were some games where he was simply amazing. The reason why I mentioned Grundy as the likely player to go out was a) he was the more like-for-like replacement (both generally take the larger power forwards b) Grundy out in some shockers, whereas Teddy was more consistent and put in some outstanding performances.

You can Throw Richards onto the list as well though, there's not much between Richards/Grundy imo, they're both great players, and along with LRT, all have different strengths/weaknesses that would come into play in selection.

 

[swanton]

so what would that do to our lineup? Richards, grundy and LRT all in one backline? I just wonder if they would all fit, especially when u consider, malceski, smith, AJ, Shaw, mattner aswell.

Why not for the time he was uninjured in 2010 we had bolton lrt and grundy as our 3 talls and it was working quite well, and later on in the year bolton was replaced by richards ( i think we had a similar setup in 2009 aswell). I think that next year we will go with lrt grundy and richards as our 3 talls in the backline, they might put AJ as a HBF or he might be the unlucky one and start his season in the ressies.

LRT has the runs on the board and showed in the last few gsames of the season when moved back (grundy injured) that he is still a quality AFL defender

 

[Super sub]

IMO just about all of LRT 's good games have been as a defender. Only ever been serviceable when played forward and in the ruck.

Hard to see how it will all fit if there are no injuries.

You would say johnson, Richards, Smith, Shaw, Grundy and Mattner would almost all have to get starts so how do you fit in Malceski and LRT. Malceski you would think was the obvious one to go on the bench, with LRT only getting a start if matchups made it important.

 

[Goats]

Hey all, I was just wondering if Byron Sumner is any chance to get some games next year? I liked what I saw in the NAB cup this year, I know he played a couple of quiet games at the start premiership season and then I think he was injured and didn't play again. Anyone rate him?

 

[liz]

Hey all, I was just wondering if Byron Sumner is any chance to get some games next year? I liked what I saw in the NAB cup this year, I know he played a couple of quiet games at the start premiership season and then I think he was injured and didn't play again. Anyone rate him?

I rate his natural football ability too. But if he gets any games next year it won't be for the Swans. He has been delisted. (Not due to ability but rather "commitment issues", whatever they entail.)

Will possibly land up on either Port or the Crow's rookie list.

 

[Goats]

I rate his natural football ability too. But if he gets any games next year it won't be for the Swans. He has been delisted. (Not due to ability but rather "commitment issues", whatever they entail.)

Will possibly land up on either Port or the Crow's rookie list.

Ha ha. Thanks for that. I had a feeling as I was writing the post that that may have been the case. Hope he can find another club.