Big Fish ?...Hawthorn trade news and targets thread(not for trade hypotheticals)

[lickmerocks]

Breust beats Stringer in basically every statistic, he's missed bugger all games over the journey, unlike Stringer, he's consistent, unlike Stringer, he's a team player, unlike Stringer, he's well liked by his team mates, unlike Stringer

If we traded Breust for Stringer we would be losing and paying massive overs

All the above things may be spot on at the minute however.....

IF both players were playing at peak Stringer for me has more upside than Punky long term and a club that gets him will have to pay overs in regards to draft picks or a quality player as the Dogs hold all the cards with this contracted player.

 

[eldorado]

A

as the Dogs hold all the cards with this contracted player.

Not once they've made it very clear that they don't really want him...

 

[Gralin]

All the above things may be spot on at the minute however.....

IF both players were playing at peak Stringer for me has more upside than Punky long term and a club that gets him will have to pay overs in regards to draft picks or a quality player as the Dogs hold all the cards with this contracted player.

they shat on him publicly and said they don't want him anymore

last I checked that's not how you hold all the cards

 

[Brant]

they shat on him publicly and said they don't want him anymore

last I checked that's not how you hold all the cards

Kinda like continuing to bluff, after you've folded

 

[burger09]

Selfish
Lazy
Not team oriented


The type of player our club usually trades out. Not in.

Hope we keep it that way.

 

[cryptor]

So what are you suggesting is a fair deal that would be attractive to the Dogs for us to be a chance. Please don't tell me Schoey Billy and or Doc in any way at all.

This isn't the trade hypotheticals thread but let's just say that if the deal is done with us effectively just for Stringer then it will be much closer to involving a couple of our fringe players (who are great leaders and clubmen) than it will be to ever including Breust - who love him or hate him, is an elite small forward.

 

[Brant]

This isn't the trade hypotheticals thread but let's just say that if the deal is done with us effectively just for Stringer then it will be much closer to involving a couple of our fringe players (who are great leaders and clubmen) than it will be to ever including Breust - who love him or hate him, is an elite small forward.

Fitting.

They just lost a good leader & a great clubman, at the same time they're realising they have terrible culture issues...

Now where would a Senior Coach, that was formerly an assistant coach at another club, look for leadership, culture & good clubmen??

 

[Gralin]

Fitting.

They just lost a good leader & a great clubman, at the same time they're realising they have terrible culture issues...

Now where would a Senior Coach, that was formerly an assistant coach at another club, look for leadership, culture & good clubmen??

the other side of which is you'd hope Bevo wouldn't throw Clarko under the bus on Stringer, so if we were going after him it would be because splitting him up from the rack pack and a fresh start was thought to be a worth it

 

[cryptor]

Fitting.

They just lost a good leader & a great clubman, at the same time they're realising they have terrible culture issues...

Now where would a Senior Coach, that was formerly an assistant coach at another club, look for leadership, culture & good clubmen??

Exactly. It's a win-win-win-win.

Win for Bulldogs as they inject some much needed leadership to steady their ship.

Win for Hawthorn as they get a talented game breaker following the loss of some legendary players.

Win for Stringer as if there's one coach and culture that can get him back on track to reaching his potential than it's Hawthorns.

Win for any of our fringe players who go to the Bulldogs as they'll be given more opportunity and probably better salaries too.

 

[Brant]

Exactly. It's a win-win-win-win.

Win for Bulldogs as they inject some much needed leadership to steady their ship.

Win for Hawthorn as they get a talented game breaker following the loss of some legendary players.

Win for Stringer as if there's one coach and culture that can get him back on track to reaching his potential than it's Hawthorns.

Win for any of our fringe players who go to the Bulldogs as they'll be given more opportunity and probably better salaries too.

Despite what collingwood may tell you, it isnt a good deal unless everyone walks away feeling like they win.

This scenario would be one where everyone would win - although the throwdog faithful (all 7,672 of them) wouldn't feel it.

 

[lickmerocks]

Not once they've made it very clear that they don't really want him...

Come on Eldorado you should know better than this.

For a club to make public comments on him like this while he is contracted is designed to do a couple of things

Seriously warn the player that his behaviour either stops right now and he fully commits moving forward or he will be traded. A club wouldn't make these comments unless they have the upper hand in this situation which they do.

You have a 23 year old with huge potential who likes to party (if you read between the lines) so he is not robin caruso on this one.

Fringe players who are good citizens are not going to get this deal done unfortunately.

 

[lickmerocks]

Exactly. It's a win-win-win-win.

Win for Bulldogs as they inject some much needed leadership to steady their ship.

Win for Hawthorn as they get a talented game breaker following the loss of some legendary players.

Win for Stringer as if there's one coach and culture that can get him back on track to reaching his potential than it's Hawthorns.

Win for any of our fringe players who go to the Bulldogs as they'll be given more opportunity and probably better salaries too.

This sounds like a win for Hawthorn to me.

We pick up a 23 year old with huge potential and try and get him back to his best form and trade away a couple of players who might not be in our best team!!!

I don't think this is happening.

 

[Gaston]

Come on Eldorado you should know better than this.

For a club to make public comments on him like this while he is contracted is designed to do a couple of things

Seriously warn the player that his behaviour either stops right now and he fully commits moving forward or he will be traded. A club wouldn't make these comments unless they have the upper hand in this situation which they do.

You have a 23 year old with huge potential who likes to party (if you read between the lines) so he is not robin caruso on this one.

Fringe players who are good citizens are not going to get this deal done unfortunately.

This isn't a shot over the bow, they seriously don't want him.
In the last couple of days you have heard Bob Murphy and Boyd state on radio that this shouldn't
have been a huge shock to him. The writing has been on the wall.

The only way the dogs get a first rounder or decent compo is if two to three clubs go into a bidding war.
If this doesn't eventuate the dogs will need to lick their wounds.

 

[parsons nose]

Exactly. It's a win-win-win-win.

Win for Bulldogs as they inject some much needed leadership to steady their ship.

Win for Hawthorn as they get a talented game breaker following the loss of some legendary players.

Win for Stringer as if there's one coach and culture that can get him back on track to reaching his potential than it's Hawthorns.

Win for any of our fringe players who go to the Bulldogs as they'll be given more opportunity and probably better salaries too.

 

[parsons nose]

Yeah, like we did with, Hooper, Peterson and Gartlett. Nope, pass on this trade, for mine.

 

[parsons nose]

I can't believe that many are seriously entertaining the idea of bringing in someone with dubious commitment to the rigours of professional football, at the expense of a talented and consistent clubman.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

This sounds like a win for Hawthorn to me.

We pick up a 23 year old with huge potential and try and get him back to his best form and trade away a couple of players who might not be in our best team!!!

I don't think this is happening.

Him being the same age as OMeara and Mitchell makes it seem like he could Be part of our core rebuild group.

But seriously, the guy has been shown the door and he's making press conferences saying he doesn't know why. He's either stupid or manipulative. Not a great platform to relaunch a career from.

 

[MacMace]

If we want to spend money on an inconsistent player that from time to time exhibits x-factor plays and has good speed, I would target motlop every day of the week over Stringer. He has shown more over a longer period in a team with a good culture. He also has consistently more disposals and more accurate kicks.

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[GilPender]

You have a 23 year old with huge potential who likes to party (if you read between the lines) so he is not robin caruso on this one.

David?

 

[cryptor]

Yeah, like we did with, Hooper, Peterson and Gartlett. Nope, pass on this trade, for mine.

None of those players were well established AFL players when we got them. They were all low risk, high reward rolls of the dice. Stringer just needs a stronger culture to bring him back in line. The Bulldogs culture isn't necessarily bad, it's just not as well engrained in the playing group as it is at Hawthorn.

This sounds like a win for Hawthorn to me.

We pick up a 23 year old with huge potential and try and get him back to his best form and trade away a couple of players who might not be in our best team!!!

I don't think this is happening.

I said it was a win for Hawthorn, providing we can get that to happen.

And it's as much a win for the Bulldogs too if Stringer isn't going to fall in line with them as they currently are. To bring in some experienced players with good leadership skills and the know-how on being part of an elite premiership outfit could return them to true premiership contenders.

 

[lickmerocks]

This isn't a shot over the bow, they seriously don't want him.
In the last couple of days you have heard Bob Murphy and Boyd state on radio that this shouldn't
have been a huge shock to him. The writing has been on the wall.

The only way the dogs get a first rounder or decent compo is if two to three clubs go into a bidding war.
If this doesn't eventuate the dogs will need to lick their wounds.

There is a big group of them that are partying and he is most likely the ring leader but if you remember we handled Buddy Franklin for a decade and he was up to more partying than any of us will EVER know.

The point I am making is he is 23 years old and I have seen glimpses of Gary Ablett Snr at times with his body shape and explosiveness and sometimes identifying a flawed genious can pay massive dividends.

In saying that it can also end up in a big mess like the Dayle Garlett situation as well so it's buyer beware 100%

 

[lickmerocks]

David?

Haha very good. Just missing the sunglasses a dead body, a smoking gun and the famous line "seems like foul play"

 

[HairyO]

Love it except Clarko has stated that nobody told Stewie to go forward he just went on instinct. Proper footballer Dew was.

At a minimum it tells you that Clarko was smart enough to give Stewie free reign. Much like Burgoyne goes in the middle when Burgoyne needs to go in the middle.

A top coach knows when to use trained plays and when to trust the players to do the right thing.

Plus, Clarko never takes credit from players. Only flogs do that.

Him being the same age as OMeara and Mitchell makes it seem like he could Be part of our core rebuild group.

But seriously, the guy has been shown the door and he's making press conferences saying he doesn't know why. He's either stupid or manipulative. Not a great platform to relaunch a career from.

He knows exactly why. You can be 100% sure that if Bevo is publicly saying Stringer is gone, then Bevo has told him in none-too-friendly terms why he has to get the **** outta Footscray.

 

[parsons nose]

None of those players were well established AFL players when we got them. They were all low risk, high reward rolls of the dice. Stringer just needs a stronger culture to bring him back in line. The Bulldogs culture isn't necessarily bad, it's just not as well engrained in the playing group as it is at Hawthorn.


I said it was a win for Hawthorn, providing we can get that to happen.

And it's as much a win for the Bulldogs too if Stringer isn't going to fall in line with them as they currently are. To bring in some experienced players with good leadership skills and the know-how on being part of an elite premiership outfit could return them to true premiership contenders.

That Stringer is an established player, undermines your argument.

 

[eldorado]

Come on Eldorado you should know better than this.

For a club to make public comments on him like this while he is contracted is designed to do a couple of things

Seriously warn the player that his behaviour either stops right now and he fully commits moving forward or he will be traded. A club wouldn't make these comments unless they have the upper hand in this situation which they do.

You have a 23 year old with huge potential who likes to party (if you read between the lines) so he is not robin caruso on this one.

Fringe players who are good citizens are not going to get this deal done unfortunately.

Nope, it changes the equation...

That is not a 'serious warning that his behaviour stops right now'...that would have happened long before, in private.

What's happening now says it didn't change... "Damaged goods! Buyer beware!"

You don't charge top dollar after you have informed the world that there are serious issues that could affect his ability to be be productive in a team.

Doesn't mean it's bargain basement, but top dollar from a position of strength doesn't apply either...any team willing to offer top dollar has rocks in their heads. It's up to the Bulldogs then to determine the relative worth.