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Injury Blue Healers Discussion - 2024
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jezzatigerbrent
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It's good that we put some reliance on Young... Because we do need the depth tested and it is a real opportunity for him to prove himself that 2022 was not a one-off experience and that he can reproduce that level consistently again...Sam Durdin has a lot to prove too to stay on the list so maybe that's his coming of age... I reckon we might be able to play the extra big behind the ball because we've always battled to get Jack and the King in the same side...Kemp/Marchy/McGovern will also mix and match depending on the opposition
Gut feel or inside info Soapy?
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Excuse the confusion, but is that Opening round (BRISBANE) or Round One (RICHMOND)?
Told it’s nasty but could have been worse. If no other issues should be good for Rd One
I don’t want to see Weiters round 0 or round 1. A significant calf injury has a legitimate likelihood of recurrence, needs recovery, rehab and a period in Jack R’s cage to ensure he is set for the season. Do not want to see him underdone V Brisbane and we will cover the Tigers comfortably without him.
Critical player, but rushing him would be stupidity.
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not a chance we rush him......no reason.........
Fair point but I don't think we would rush him anyway. If he plays round 0 it'll be because he's ready. No point sitting him out just for the sake of being cautious if he is. I can't think of the last time we rushed a player under Russell. If anything he's to cautious.
I personally hope he plays (assuming he is ready). 2 months is a fair block of time and we don't know the ins and outs of his injury. Could well be enough time
Could, but unlikely in a key post
As a 3rd/non-key, but right now we're looking pretty good there with Gov, Marchbank and Kemp all up & about (& ahead of him for that role).
You'd imagine if Weiters does miss, it's likely either Young or Durdin directly replacing him. Another option could be we could take a chance & go smaller with Marchbank, Kemp & Gov as the 3 talls. For mine, there's no scenario, short of a catastrophic injury run to the aforementioned players (touch wood), that involves Jack being parachuted into the backline. He'd be the break-glass option.
Problem with Weiters and injuries is that he takes a few weeks to get going/confident. He's in his sweet spot for age recovery wise so hopefully this is a once off calf and once ticked off he plays.
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I agree. Got to be so conservative now. The last thing you want is the calf hanging around like Cunners / Martin.
Is he our most important player? The drop-off to his backup is bigger than any other player I would think. Charlie is a better player obviously but we have TDK, McKay and JSOS who can help cover him. With Weiters - there is only Young as a backup and he really struggled last year when his mentality got exposed.
If we can just take the foot off the accelerator with the preseason program for a month that would be great. Just nurse the guys through to late Feb then ramp up. Zero benefit to going flat out to a point where one of our experienced players does a high grade calf in week 1 of Jan - not a tweak but a full 8+ weeker. Simply should not happen in Jan.
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No injuries at all, ever, in a preseason?
Someone should tell the other clubs, maybe the Pies with McStay
Someone should tell the other clubs, maybe the Pies with McStay
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Not sure any other club has our strike rate on preseason injuries. Especially significant ones.
We still talking about the past teddy, or the present or maybe the future
This thread was in overdrive midway through last year, people wanting Russell sacked, thinking they knew more than the club.
Then it was really quiet when almost injury free deep in finals
Now we have an injury and the same posters start with the same rhetoric, even though we are in January
Apparently we are once again doing it wrong compared to other clubs
Some things never change I guess
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David King is going around watching everyone's preseason training - his review of ours:
"Toughest pre-season session I’ve seen for while."
That's great but not in the context of it costing us Weitering for 8+ weeks.
Last season we had the mega session up in Qld. Also great but not in the context of it costing us Williams for 12 months.
Great that you want to focus on the future but we refuse to learn our lesson - even from last preseason.
Speaking to a current Geelong player - their approach to preseason is to keep everyone's fitness reasonable then ramp up late Feb when you get to games to get match fit. The emphasis is on having a healthy list. Of course there are no guarantees (and they had a shocker last year with their aging list) but we're ripping our key players calf in half in January! Why?
thylacine60
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this shit again.......you're right about us not learning our lessons..........
Yet last preseason everyone was moaning that our preseason was lacklustre
Hold this thought for a moment, next bit might address this
What were the intensity sessions that caused Smith at the Dogs, McStay at the Pies to have ACLs. Perhaps Russell was moonlighting?
Did that lesson allow us to go into finals with a relative healthy list? Didn't notice you beating this same drum in September last year
Completely different age demographic, but tell me how that helped the likes of Gutherie, Duncan, Henry, Menegola
I understand how vocal you want to be with your criticism of Russell and the club, but perhaps stay vocal even when we are healthy rather than rolling out the same agenda when we encounter an injury
I guess it's akin to the pessimist disappearing when we went on a winning streak, sad for them too that we haven't lost a game so far this year
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It only annoys you because I make some good points and you have no response apart from swearing or the always hilarious "well I guess Russell should be sacked... haha" posts.
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thylacine60
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we have to train the same way as geelong because you apparently spoke to a player there.......amazing...........
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I'm holding out hope they have over estimated Weiter's injury time out like they did all last season. Lots of players came back earlier than expected in 2023. Carlton finally learned this basic trick to avoid supporter frustration.
Weitering to start round 1.
Weitering to start round 1.
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I've been consistent that this is about preseason. In season you have to go full tilt and luck plays a major role with contact injuries.
Our approach to how we manage preseason is not optimised towards minimising injuries. We're trying to go as hard as possible. AFL is such an intense / high injury sport that it's very hard to sustain this level of intensity for 9 months - which is why more mature clubs like Geelong don't do it. You can never guarantee zero injuries obviously (especially with older lists like Geelong) but we don't appear to be even trying.
I was really hoping we'd learn the lesson from last preseason which was OTT (nobody said it was lacklustre) and lead to multiple stress fractures, etc. I think we had 8 or 9 out R1 last season plus Martin+Hewett played after missing most of preseason. Jack was rushed to the line and didn't play for another 12 weeks.
Look back on it now - you don't think this had an enormous impact on our season? In my view it potentially cost us a top 4 spot.
Just get to round 1 with a fit list - that's all we have to do. This isn't 2018 with a list full of kids who have no AFL conditioning.
I didn't blame or mention Russell by the way. This is a whole of club madness.
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