Bluemour Discussion Thread VII (cont. in pt VIII)

[therubbernub]

Poor ole Matty Watson.

Had the world at his feet, just couldn't move them fast enough.

The Human Pez dispenser

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Regarding trading away all our value, I reckon Liam Jones could be one more player that fits into the Gibb, Menzel, Yarran, Hendo list.

If Mcredie develops as expected, why not cash in jones (if he continues his 2017 form) for a top 14-18 pick in a strong draft and take another mid. Surely a contending team would love a 27 year old Jones in 2018 and if we have Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman and McReadie he is surplus to our needs.

Our talent 23-18 would be insane if we added 2 more firsts in 2018 draft.

Lets see how 2018 pans out for Jones. Had he played from round 1, he would have been AA this year. You would like to think that he has a similar type year next year. Do you really want to trade out a 27y/o (next year) AA CHB?

 

[therubbernub]

Maybe I'm still on a post-trade week 'glass half ****ing overflowing* high, but...

While I'd hate to lose a player like Macreadie, and fear we may not get true value for him if he did leave, I'd kinda see it as a good sign.

When you lose talented kids for lack of opportunities, it's due to poor management or because you are travelling so well and have surplus in that area. We aren't on the cusp of a premiership. Broadly speaking, I don't see us playing Rowe and ASOS ahead of Macreadie. So Macreadie leaving for more opportunities means Jones/Marchbank/Weiters etc have nailed down the KPD spots.

It's like GWS's midfield. They hardly notice a talented young mid leaving as they have so many and more in the pipeline. Yeah it would suck losing HMac #2, but it would be an endorsement of where the list is at. A mere flesh wound, and you move on.

GWS are going nowhere near a premiership whilst they are rotating new faces all the time IMO

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Jones was pantsed a few times in the backend of the season...he’s a long way off AA

 

[Jimmae]

Lets see how 2018 pans out for Jones. Had he played from round 1, he would have been AA this year. You would like to think that he has a similar type year next year. Do you really want to trade out a 27y/o (next year) AA CHB?

Jones was pantsed a few times in the backend of the season...he’s a long way off AA

Yup it's important to remember that Jack Riewoldt, Buddy and Hawkins really worked over his lack of aerobic capacity.

Thankfully we've got ASOS sitting there as well while the kids develop.

 

[ajb72]

GWS are going nowhere near a premiership whilst they are rotating new faces all the time IMO

I don't even think it is about rotating faces.

They just don't have a defensive bone in their collective bodies.

As soon as the pressure goes up, they cant maintain the free flowing football and turn it over and then they don't have enough defensive nous to stop other teams.

 

[therubbernub]

Regarding trading away all our value, I reckon Liam Jones could be one more player that fits into the Gibb, Menzel, Yarran, Hendo list.

If Mcredie develops as expected, why not cash in jones (if he continues his 2017 form) for a top 14-18 pick in a strong draft and take another mid. Surely a contending team would love a 27 year old Jones in 2018 and if we have Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman and McReadie he is surplus to our needs.

Our talent 23-18 would be insane if we added 2 more firsts in 2018 draft.

Why get rid of Jones just when he has found his niche. For him to play the way he did, with such little defensive experience was a real credit to him. He could become all australian if his improvement curve keeps going. You need a player with his ability down there to win a flag. Lets not trade him in for an average mid.
I think the back line is looking very good and will only get better with another year of maturation and playing together. Our new midfield setup is yet to prove how good it is going to be, what with the departure of Gibbs, big shoes to fill , but with the arrival of kennedy, Lang the return of the injured -cripps and curnow, the new draftees - rayner and stephenson, plus the ongoing improvement /maturation/development of SPS , Fischer, cuningham, polson. There are a lot of balls in the air - not all will make it, but by golly there is plenty that can go right with that group.

 

[therubbernub]

To be fair, they had an absolute horror run of injuries, and were cooked well before the finals began. That's not to say it will definitely happen for them, as many said prior to this year, and they'll miss Mumford, but I don't think we should judge their future chances on this season.

IMO whilst everyone is predicting premiership success for them each year, they will struggle. They have a hugely talented playing group that seems to be cruising along drinking their own fragrant bath water. They need to come down to earth. That will take time, and, perhaps a new coach

 

[FoeverBlues]

I fear we will lose Macreadie for a packet of chips.

At the end of the day, very likely other clubs will point out he's not best 22 and was originally drafted in the 40's...we couldn't expect much return unless he plays some AFL games and does well.

who cares where players originally got drafted from..
Coxs, Garletts, Jamisons, Camerons etc were rookies but would have attracted a true value

 

[Stamos]

I don't even think it is about rotating faces.

They just don't have a defensive bone in their collective bodies.

As soon as the pressure goes up, they cant maintain the free flowing football and turn it over and then they don't have enough defensive nous to stop other teams.

IMO whilst everyone is predicting premiership success for them each year, they will struggle. They have a hugely talented playing group that seems to be cruising along drinking their own fragrant bath water. They need to come down to earth. That will take time, and, perhaps a new coach

Think that half the team was getting jabbed just to be able to play in the back end of the year might have more to do with it

 

[thylacine60]

I think GWS situation is a bit odd, yes they don't seem to miss a good player leaving but they also seem to be on a constant build. At some point you'd think they will have to consolidate and actually win a premiership. For mine, I'm not sure they'll be any closer next year than they were in 2016.

thought this year showed the team of champions/champion team construct for what it really is

 

[HarryFlashman]

Lever has shown what a young talented tall defender gets u pick wise....we will lose one of ours but it will enable us to get an absolute gun premium mid fielder....it called draft/trade strategy- we haven't seen it pre SOS, we will see it now

 

[thylacine60]

love listening to and reading this stuff as a counter to the other mindlessly slanted assessments of sosnado

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/cr...ain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Sport_Desktop

 

[BluesRule]

IMO whilst everyone is predicting premiership success for them each year, they will struggle. They have a hugely talented playing group that seems to be cruising along drinking their own fragrant bath water. They need to come down to earth. That will take time, and, perhaps a new coach

You are referring to Adelaide right?

 

[Red Bull]

Lets see how 2018 pans out for Jones. Had he played from round 1, he would have been AA this year. You would like to think that he has a similar type year next year. Do you really want to trade out a 27y/o (next year) AA CHB?

If Silvagni's doing the horse trading I'd be happy too .
Thinking about the return is mouth watering .

 

[therubbernub]

You are referring to Adelaide right?

yeah them too. Especially that joke that they call a captain irritates me

 

[JustaBattler]

thought this year showed the team of champions/champion team construct for what it really is

In game against tuggers: Shiels getting carted out with a shoulder to the head + Cameron out + Mumford out didn't help them....

 

[Moody Blue]

Why are we all so concerned what other clubs are doing? It's an easy case to argue for compensation for Ablett.

Couldn't give a stuff what other clubs are doing, just getting sick and tired of having the goal posts moved every year.
Waite played 11 years and 184 games for the Blues. Now into his third year, played in a Preliminary Final and for a period in 2015 was the best forward in the competition at North Melbourne. Ablett had a choice. he left Geelong for the $$$. His contract came up and he re-signed with GC. Was his family not an issue then? Obviously not. When it was obvious that GC were going nowhere he decides family is paramount and ofcourse another chance at a flag. Hodge went to Brisbane and yet the Lions still kept their compensation pick. Good on Brisbane to find and use the loop hole, but getting sick and tired of CFC being screwed over by the AFL. They screwed us over with Princess Park in the 90's which cost the club 20 million, the fines and penalties they imposed over the salary cap compared to West Coast, and Hawthorn who were never investigated or fined for their appalling lack of governance when their players were taking god knows what, and then we have the drug cheats who were rewarded for cheating by keeping their draft picks. Carlton was the only club that tested and subsequently suspended two players for illicit drug use. Not even a well done from the AFL. The AFL is falling over themselves to keep the scum happy. If Hird had not had such a big ego, the whole matter would have been swept under the carpet and he would probably still be coaching.

 

[BluesRule]

Couldn't give a stuff what other clubs are doing, just getting sick and tired of having the goal posts moved every year.
Waite played 11 years and 184 games for the Blues. Now into his third year, played in a Preliminary Final and for a period in 2015 was the best forward in the competition at North Melbourne. Ablett had a choice. he left Geelong for the $$$. His contract came up and he re-signed with GC. Was his family not an issue then? Obviously not. When it was obvious that GC were going nowhere he decides family is paramount and ofcourse another chance at a flag. Hodge went to Brisbane and yet the Lions still kept their compensation pick. Good on Brisbane to find and use the loop hole, but getting sick and tired of CFC being screwed over by the AFL. They screwed us over with Princess Park in the 90's which cost the club 20 million, the fines and penalties they imposed over the salary cap compared to West Coast, and Hawthorn who were never investigated or fined for their appalling lack of governance when their players were taking god knows what, and then we have the drug cheats who were rewarded for cheating by keeping their draft picks. Carlton was the only club that tested and subsequently suspended two players for illicit drug use. Not even a well done from the AFL. The AFL is falling over themselves to keep the scum happy. If Hird had not had such a big ego, the whole matter would have been swept under the carpet and he would probably still be coaching.

Moody Blue by name and nature...

(Great post and agree with several points, but we need to move on now)

 

[therubbernub]

Couldn't give a stuff what other clubs are doing, just getting sick and tired of having the goal posts moved every year.
Waite played 11 years and 184 games for the Blues. Now into his third year, played in a Preliminary Final and for a period in 2015 was the best forward in the competition at North Melbourne. Ablett had a choice. he left Geelong for the $$$. His contract came up and he re-signed with GC. Was his family not an issue then? Obviously not. When it was obvious that GC were going nowhere he decides family is paramount and ofcourse another chance at a flag. Hodge went to Brisbane and yet the Lions still kept their compensation pick. Good on Brisbane to find and use the loop hole, but getting sick and tired of CFC being screwed over by the AFL. They screwed us over with Princess Park in the 90's which cost the club 20 million, the fines and penalties they imposed over the salary cap compared to West Coast, and Hawthorn who were never investigated or fined for their appalling lack of governance when their players were taking god knows what, and then we have the drug cheats who were rewarded for cheating by keeping their draft picks. Carlton was the only club that tested and subsequently suspended two players for illicit drug use. Not even a well done from the AFL. The AFL is falling over themselves to keep the scum happy. If Hird had not had such a big ego, the whole matter would have been swept under the carpet and he would probably still be coaching.

Sister dying. Does that qualify as a family reason?

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/f...etts-sister-natasha-dies-20171013-gz0s67.html

 

[Weiterbot23]

Lets see how 2018 pans out for Jones. Had he played from round 1, he would have been AA this year. You would like to think that he has a similar type year next year. Do you really want to trade out a 27y/o (next year) AA CHB?

Depends what we get.

Say we get a pick 8 or 9 for him with us throwing in one of our second rounders next year it might be worth considering.

If we can sell him high, draft a high quality mid with the pick from a strong draft and not lose much with Jones as we can shuffle Weitering, Marchy up a spot and bring Mcredie in it could be well worth it.

Could be a better option than losing Mcredie for less than his worth (sell low)

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Really like HMac but yeah if there ain't no room he's gonna be better than depth.

Where's this talk of HMac leaving coming from ??

 

[Cutz]

I find this an interesting concern.

IMO we have a top 27 on our list that is the strongest since '95 and I could present an argument that it is the equal of any team in the league with 2 first round picks to come. This is what we have, sadly, lacked for more years than I care to remember. Players like White, Buckley, Graham and Palmer (if they remain on the list) are highly likely to not get a look in. Kerridge (who I like), Lamb, Boekhurst, Rowe, Phillips, Smedts and even Daisy will struggle for regular berths.

We haven't looked deep this for a long time.

Our problem now is our top 12, not many of whom would get a regular game in the best teams. We've lost one (and, short term it will hurt) but at present I can only find Murphy, Kruezer, Cripps and Docherty (apologies to Simmo on age only) who fit into this category. We need to rectify this but if at the end of 2018, hopefully we add some of SPS, Kennedy, Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Jones, Picket, Charlie, Williamson, Fisher and SOSOS we lift ourselves into the contender category and start looking for the FA messiah.

Some will fall by the wayside and we may get a packet of chips only for them but it can only be a good thing because that makes us the hunted and not the hunter. It also means we can allow the likes of Macreadie, Mackay, Polson and the new recruits time to develop their skills.

I'm not expecting huge things next year but I'm starting to get bullish about those beyond. I think we're building a list that will last beyond a Bulldog type single year assault.

Top Post this...Makes complete sense.

Well done

Ctz

 

[Siegfried]

Anyone have any insight into the 4 father-sons that we have coming up? One this year and 3 next I believe. Have read that He Who Shall Not Be Named has shrunk by 2 feet recently, but what about the Hickmotts and Manton?

 

[thylacine60]

Couldn't give a stuff what other clubs are doing, just getting sick and tired of having the goal posts moved every year.
Waite played 11 years and 184 games for the Blues. Now into his third year, played in a Preliminary Final and for a period in 2015 was the best forward in the competition at North Melbourne. Ablett had a choice. he left Geelong for the $$$. His contract came up and he re-signed with GC. Was his family not an issue then? Obviously not. When it was obvious that GC were going nowhere he decides family is paramount and ofcourse another chance at a flag. Hodge went to Brisbane and yet the Lions still kept their compensation pick. Good on Brisbane to find and use the loop hole, but getting sick and tired of CFC being screwed over by the AFL. They screwed us over with Princess Park in the 90's which cost the club 20 million, the fines and penalties they imposed over the salary cap compared to West Coast, and Hawthorn who were never investigated or fined for their appalling lack of governance when their players were taking god knows what, and then we have the drug cheats who were rewarded for cheating by keeping their draft picks. Carlton was the only club that tested and subsequently suspended two players for illicit drug use. Not even a well done from the AFL. The AFL is falling over themselves to keep the scum happy. If Hird had not had such a big ego, the whole matter would have been swept under the carpet and he would probably still be coaching.

2 things Moods - you ever spell it Princess Park again and I will come for you. Also, why do you think the AFL are treating us unjustly? Surely any animosity towards Elliot has diminished by now?