Bluemour Discussion Thread XVII - Coniglio means Rabbit in Italian!

[JustaBattler]

Shiel was swayed to go to * by his Carlton hating future father in-law Choco.

and how is that working our for him?

 

[cfc4life]

Parkin.
Two teams, three stints 4 flags?
Barassi
Two teams 4 flags?

Think anything pre AFL has to be taken with a grain of salt. It is so so hard to win a premiership in the 21st century, much less four in seven years.

 

[thylacine60]

Parkin.
Two teams, three stints 4 flags?
Barassi
Two teams 4 flags?

Jock McHale travelled alright.

 

[Aphrodite]

and how is that working our for him?

Dodoro gave up 2 x 1st round picks (2018 & 2019)


#Dodorotrades

 

[Blue and Blue]

Think anything pre AFL has to be taken with a grain of salt. It is so so hard to win a premiership in the 21st century, much less four in seven years.

I hope that was meant to be a joke mate.

 

[Matt Clape]

Think anything pre AFL has to be taken with a grain of salt. It is so so hard to win a premiership in the 21st century, much less four in seven years.

It has always been difficult to win a flag - I don’t think that the 21st century can be claimed to be harder...To think so unfairly diminishes the efforts of previous champion teams and players.

 

[Aphrodite]

Thanks team. Including the PM's. (I even took 8 weeks of Italian classes back in the day and didn't know this lol)

Prego

 

[BrownDog20]

Think anything pre AFL has to be taken with a grain of salt. It is so so hard to win a premiership in the 21st century, much less four in seven years.

And why is it so much harder?

 

[HARKER]

It has always been difficult to win a flag - I don’t think that the 21st century can be claimed to be harder...To think so unfairly diminishes the efforts of previous champion teams and players.

Of course it does given there's an additional 6 teams involved.

What was 1 vs 11 is now 1 vs 17 = Big difference. It's around a 50% differential.

 

[JustaBattler]

Dodoro gave up 2 x 1st round picks (2018 & 2019)


#Dodorotrades

I laughed my head off watching video of Dodoro's face to announce Shiel signing - looked like he had just eaten a S*** sandwhich!!

 

[Mister Carlton]

I still remember some posters 'spewing we took the slow, chubby mid and not/missed out on Cam McCarthy' (I think it was)..

It pissed Mitchell off enough for him to jump ship to Richmond.

 

[TerryWallet]

Round 1, 1981 v Richmond at VFL park. I don't recall the Buzz in that game, but have distinct memories of a wiry Hunter floating in front of packs across half back taking what seemed to be effortless marks (even if he sometimes got crunched). Amazing to be able to add that kind of talent to an already star-studded team.

From Bluseum on that match Sieg:

Carlton combined well under new coach David Parkin to defeat 1980 premiers Richmond by 10 goals. Peter Bosustow was at his brilliant best for the Blues while Michael Roach kicked six goals for the Tigers. - Football Record.

Blueseum - History of the Carlton Football Club | Round 1, 1981

Blueseum: History of the Carlton Football Club

www.blueseum.org

 

[Matt Clape]

Of course it does given there's an additional 6 teams involved.

What was 1 vs 11 is now 1 vs 17 = Big difference. It's around a 50% differential.

We also used to have to play each other twice - at true home and away venues rather than the current compromised and commercially focused “fixture”.

 

[Stamos]

Think anything pre AFL has to be taken with a grain of salt. It is so so hard to win a premiership in the 21st century, much less four in seven years.

4 in 8 years, but your point stands.

 

[JustaBattler]

Of course it does given there's an additional 6 teams involved.

What was 1 vs 11 is now 1 vs 17 = Big difference. It's around a 50% differential.

You could argue that fewer teams meant better quality teams overall with talent concentrated more therefore more even - so just as hard to win for different reasons.

 

[cfc4life]

I hope that was meant to be a joke mate.

Grain of salt probably wasn't the best term to use. But yes it's much more difficult to win a flag now so I think Clarko's four flags hold more weight than Barassi's or Parkin's

It has always been difficult to win a flag - I don’t think that the 21st century can be claimed to be harder...To think so unfairly diminishes the efforts of previous champion teams and players.

And why is it so much harder?

More teams.
The introduction of a salary cap.
A higher degree of skill and professionalism within the game.

 

[Aphrodite]

I laughed my head off watching video of Dodoro's face to announce Shiel signing - looked like he had just eaten a S*** sandwhich!!

 

[JustaBattler]

We also used to have to play each other twice - at true home and away venues rather than the current compromised and commercially focused “fixture”.

the fact that not all teams play each other twice is a bad look.

 

[HARKER]

You could argue that fewer teams meant better quality teams overall with talent concentrated more therefore more even - so just as hard to win for different reasons.

You can't really argue that and there has always been better teams and poorer ones.

Would it be just as hard if only 2 teams were involved?
What if there were 100 teams involved in the Premiership race?

The fact there are more teams makes for a simple mathematical exercise.....It's harder.

 

[RAPPA]

Look st the success of Clarko’s disciples. He is the GOAT

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Think anything pre AFL has to be taken with a grain of salt. It is so so hard to win a premiership in the 21st century, much less four in seven years.

On the contrary, once you have a bloody good team its very hard for competitors to play catch up through the draft to bridge the gap. Made even harder nowadays by free agency and the good free agents only wanting to go to teams near the top.

6 of one and 1/2 dozen of another.

 

[ForYouBlue]

Prego

Congrats!

 

[jooce8891]

Dodoro gave up 2 x 1st round picks (2018 & 2019)


#Dodorotrades

absolute steal!

 

[Blue__Balls]

Thing is, his pedigree and reputation are still very high. There's no way we'll get him "on the cheap".

Define "on the cheap"?

If Carlton have sold the club to him, and he likes what he sees from a culture perspective (and why wouldn't he, it looks tight knit) - it shouldn't be difficult to work through from there. Front load a contract that starts around $700k per year tapering to $450k per year, offer GC a very fair deal of an early second rounder for a handy flanker, or if they want to move up the draft sort out a pick swap. Season with a semi-mature body or two in an area of need (ie. Macreadie, Kerr, Polson, Lang).

I'm not saying we get him for a third rounder, or for less than the AFL average wage. I'm saying we get him for a reasonable draft pick, slight overs if anything, and on a front-ended contract by using our banked cap space.

If the stronger team and culture helps his consistency, he's every chance of being a player who can turn results our way, not just a solid citizen.

 

[BrownDog20]

Of course it does given there's an additional 6 teams involved.

What was 1 vs 11 is now 1 vs 17 = Big difference. It's around a 50% differential.

All that has done is dilute the player pool. Teams back then had better depth.