Bluemour Discussion Thread XVIII - Please Sir, Can We Have More?

[SickQwon]

Hmmmm ITB told us about McGovern on June 13..

Usually on the money.

 

[Mr_Plow]

The general rule is: if they don't want to come across, they are ****ing shit anyways, and if they do want to come across, we'll gladly have them because they are guns.

The rest doesn't matter.

 

[Stamos]

I'm not sure they will match, but the motives for doing so are clear.

If they do match but Cogs is intent on leaving, they'll get a hell of a lot more for him via trade than via free agency compensation.

They won’t match.
Our offer is able to be so big because of our banked cap. That’s why it’s so front loaded, it’s essentially a signing bonus which is over the cap. Clubs can’t afford to pay that to their own players.

And we sure as hell won’t trade better than their pick for the privilege of paying such a massive amount of money, which is only offered because he is free.

 

[dazdoggy]

Nope.
Ellis - Bombers
Papley - north
Martin - Carlton
Cogs - Carlton

Ellis is 100% in navy blue next year.

 

[Kruezing]

Ellis is 100% in navy blue next year.

Beautiful ...

 

[Blue and Blue]

They won’t match.
Our offer is able to be so big because of our banked cap. That’s why it’s so front loaded, it’s essentially a signing bonus which is over the cap. Clubs can’t afford to pay that to their own players.

And we sure as hell won’t trade better than their pick for the privilege of paying such a massive amount of money, which is only offered because he is free.

Exactly. And it follows that that's why they declared so early they wont be matching or attempting to.

 

[rampar]

Dont worry, Gil will sort it with his secret sauce compensation algorithm. 3 first rounds to gws

 

[SickQwon]

If the new rules suggest that GWS can now match Hawthorn's offer, Hawks may be less inclined to trade 2 first rounders and may not see the trade worth it. Whereas Carlton's offer remains much higher and will not be matched. Might have a foot in the door with this one. Who knows..?

 

[Percy2257]

Hmmmm ITB told us about McGovern on June 13..

What?

 

[JustaBattler]

Ellis is 100% in navy blue next year.

well thank F**k for that - just when I thought we were looking sad and lonely - we win the trade war!!

 

[GT619]

Ellis is 100% in navy blue next year.

To give docherty as much time when he’s ready to go play

 

[KingCharles]

Ellis is 100% in navy blue next year.

Where has your mail got Cogs going?

 

[Kruezing]

I mean think about it who is the only premiership player from that list ? ...

 

[F_therest]

Martin - Dogs
Ellis will come
Pap 50/50
Cogs will stay or hawks

I'm hoping the cogs part is still part of the hush/deflection lol...

Would be disappointed to miss out on Martin. Can see appeal of dogs though they have money to splash due to Boyd retirement and they play an attractive brand of footy and are in finals...their core is still young.

 

[davis_756]

I'm not sure they will match, but the motives for doing so are clear.

If they do match but Cogs is intent on leaving, they'll get a hell of a lot more for him via trade than via free agency compensation.

What if we call their bluff and don't offer a trade and their salary cap is destroyed forcing them to offload other players cheaply.

There will be another FA next year to pump our cash into.

 

[chunkylover53]

Dogs Brisbane and Blues are the next big 3 imo.

 

[slowhand clape]

Hmmmm ITB told us about McGovern on June 13..

Sam Maclure linked him to us both times Gibbs wanted out and then broke that he wanted out of Adel on June 12.

 

[davis_756]

Ellis is 100% in navy blue next year.

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[Weiterbot23]

I'm not sure they will match, but the motives for doing so are clear.

If they do match but Cogs is intent on leaving, they'll get a hell of a lot more for him via trade than via free agency compensation.

1.3m x 7 isn't as sweet if we also have to cough up two first rounders.

 

[Juddrockz]

Martin - Dogs
Ellis will come
Pap 50/50
Cogs will stay or hawks

Cant be serious???

 

[Tushay]

One thing that hasn't really been discussed is what we'd be prepared to pay for Coniglio if he chose Carlton, given we're also apparently in the hunt for players like Papley and Jack Martin.

And before people start jumping down my throat, I know he's a RFA. But if GWS match our offer, then we'd be forced to trade for him.

Sam McClure discussed this tonight and it does make sense. If Cogs chooses us or the Dawks through free agency, GWS just match the offer. They're fully aware he won't be with them next year, but will get more through a trade than through free agency. If Andrew Dillon from the AFL asks how they are going to fit him into their current salary cap, they just say "we'll either trade other players, or adjust existing contracts to create space".

Apparently it's one of the reasons we can't start negotiating with other players until it all becomes clearer. It's also another reason why we would likely be interested in Ellis through FA if we don't have a lot of trade currency remaining.

So it may all get down to what we'd be prepared to give up for him if by chance he chooses us.

The offer is probably too big for them to match. They have a very talent list with high expectations and no premiership to show. Kelly would have signed on mega-bucks. They can't just "adjust existing contracts" because they're contracts and they player in question would have to agree.

The only reason why Geelong agreed to trade for Danger was because the Cats wanted him for 800k when his market value was above 1m. If we're paying above Cogs' market value GWS aren't matching.

 

[PrendersBigEngine]

Ellis is at his best out on a wing. Don't think he's competing with Stocker for a spot in the side.

Also don't think there's anything wrong with bolstering our depth via free agency, even if we don't land the big fish. There are plenty of options out there who can improve us from next season and I think Ellis is one such player.

Obrien on one wing and dow on the other in the side that wins it for us in 2 years. We aint Richmond yet so let these blokes develop. Take your point on depth tho.

 

[Alice]

Martin - Dogs
Ellis will come
Pap 50/50
Cogs will stay or hawks

No

 

[jooce8891]

vomit......

 

[Alice]

Nope.
Ellis - Bombers
Papley - north
Martin - Carlton
Cogs - Carlton

no