Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[Heres Waite]

Hopefully we don't see Craig in the new line-up. Maybe Fagan can be brought across by Bolt's.
Butters can go if deemed time but I'm sure there goes more loot on a curtailed contract.

Here is a nice article on Fagan and his great influence at Hawthorn. He doesn't sound like the kind of guy that would just leave Hawthorn unfortunately. You can see that Bolton has learnt a lot fromhim though!

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-powerbroker-at-hawthorn-20140925-10m4h3.html

 

[HBF]

What like the riot Hawthorn fans had when their favorite Trent Croad was traded and Luke Hodge walked in the door?

Yeah I remember that. They weren't such a happy team at Hawthorn.

 

[BluStreak]

Here is a nice article on Fagan and his great influence at Hawthorn. He doesn't sound like the kind of guy that would just leave Hawthorn unfortunately. You can see that Bolton has learnt a lot from him though!

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news...-powerbroker-at-hawthorn-20140925-10m4h3.html

I would love to see Chris come to Carlton to mentor Brendon.

 

[thylacine60]

What like the riot Hawthorn fans had when their favorite Trent Croad was traded and Luke Hodge walked in the door?

no.......next idiotic comment.........

 

[ajb72]

Yeah/nah/maybe. Been rumoured for a while. While he hasn't seen too much success at Melbourne (who has) or Essendon* (who cares), he had a good coaching record at Adelaide and has a very diverse skill set (coaching, fitness-conditioning, administration) and qualifications (MA in Education, Sport Science). Would prefer to see Craig on staff rather than Buttifant.

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/shows/rowey-bicks/neil-craig-in-running-for-carlton-role

I didnt catch much of the show, but caught the end of some Yarran talk. One of the knobs said about him going to the PSD and him going to Brisbane.
Thats when I tuned out.

FFS you dont go to the PSD when you are already contracted.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I know that I have been raising hell on social media and I am gathering a damned good following.

We will prevail!

Pretty sure I just saw one of your posts.

 

[Matty411]

Better not tell Bolts he has come up short...

I will show myself out.

Better not tell Bolts he has come up short...

I will show myself out.

Whilst these will get old very quick, it's largely preferable to the cheese-related puns.

I now realise I shouldn't have even mentioned them... stand by.

 

[Spitfire1801]

Plus we get the Palermo Mafia to run the membership department!

Calabrian Mafia

 

[Azul]

With SOS and LoG now running the place and Carrots a revered figure aren't these Italian crime family jokes just a little poor taste?

 

[thylacine60]

Calabrian Mafia

keep up

 

[passmark]

What like the riot Hawthorn fans had when their favorite Trent Croad was traded and Luke Hodge walked in the door?

Trent Croad was a favourite in the same way Menzel would be a favourite if he hadn't been injured.

Not even close to the love for the big K fella.

 

[Broadside]

Trent Croad was a favourite in the same way Menzel would be a favourite if he hadn't been injured.

Not even close to the love for the big K fella.

I'll leave it to the club to decide what is best. If it's pick 3 and that player is part of our next flag, I'll be sad about losing Kreuzer, but will move on. If the club thinks we must keep him, that's fine too. We're in a tough place and tough decisions must be made.

 

[passmark]

I'll leave it to the club to decide what is best. If it's pick 3 and that player is part of our next flag, I'll be sad about losing Kreuzer, but will move on. If the club thinks we must keep him, that's fine too. We're in a tough place and tough decisions must be made.

I've moved towards this camp as well.

But people keep using the Croad example as it's the normal outcome when it was one that they got 100% correct hell, Croad even came back and played in a flag!. How many trades end up so wonderfully well for the party taking the risk.

My biggest fear is, should Krooz get injured, the endless posts saying we should have traded him.

You know those posts have already been drafted and saved.

 

[thylacine60]

You can't trade relative to what might occur.

 

[Omega Blue]

I've moved towards this camp as well.

But people keep using the Croad example as it's the normal outcome when it was one that they got 100% correct hell, Croad even came back and played in a flag!. How many trades end up so wonderfully well for the party taking the risk.



My biggest fear is, should Krooz get injured, the endless posts saying we should have traded him.

You know those posts have already been drafted and saved.

Like wise if he is a super star at another club all the posts that we should have kept him.

The blood sucking media will have a crack both ways

 

[Broadside]

You can't trade relative to what might occur.

no but past injury history may well influence how hard nosed we are about letting him go for a very high draft pick. I think we've always done the right thing by Kreuzer and vice-versa so I don't think there needs to be too much guilt or angst however it should play out. If he goes it will likely be to a club in contention and the pain at leaving would be offset by playing in, and hopefully winning, finals.

To me Kreuzer isn't playing in our next flag but he may have an important role to play in helping protect and develop the young players who will. But....will leave that to the judgment of SOS and Bolton and trust they know best.

 

[thylacine60]

Nothing like the rancor exists regarding the possible exodus (thanks Effendi) of Menzel, Henderson or Yarran. There is a reason for that.

 

[TommyMcG]

I've moved towards this camp as well.

But people keep using the Croad example as it's the normal outcome when it was one that they got 100% correct hell, Croad even came back and played in a flag!. How many trades end up so wonderfully well for the party taking the risk.

My biggest fear is, should Krooz get injured, the endless posts saying we should have traded him.

You know those posts have already been drafted and saved.

From a purely business point of view it would be irresponsible to keep krooz if it meant recieving pick 3 as compensation, given his injury concerns over the years.

From a purely emotional point of view it would be devastating to lose krooz.

Bloody tough call for the club to make. I don't envy their position.

 

[thylacine60]

From a purely business point of view it would be irresponsible to keep krooz if it meant recieving pick 3 as compensation, given his injury concerns over the years.

From a purely emotional point of view it would be devastating to lose krooz.

Bloody tough call for the club to make. I don't envy their position.

This is where it swings for mine. Are we confident he is over his ailments? If so, keep. If not, keep anyway. small green laughing emo

 

[passmark]

From a purely business point of view it would be irresponsible to keep krooz if it meant recieving pick 3 as compensation, given his injury concerns over the years.

From a purely emotional point of view it would be devastating to lose krooz.

Bloody tough call for the club to make. I don't envy their position.

.and probably easier to justify should he tear it up somewhere else, if we can point to a healthy and developing
pick 3.
Looks like the decision has been made anyway.
Exciting times.

 

[LanceRomance]

Nothing like the rancor exists regarding the possible exodus (thanks Effendi) of Menzel, Henderson or Yarran. There is a reason for that.

 

[Nori]

This is where it swings for mine. Are we confident he is over his ailments? If so, keep. If not, keep anyway. small green laughing emo

How can they be sure? I don't think any of his conditions are chronic but his recent history would suggest he's injury prone.

I'd be prepared to punt on his body holding together. The combination of Cripps and Kreuzer carving up the opposition is just too enticing to ignore.

 

[Nori]

This is where it swings for mine. Are we confident he is over his ailments? If so, keep. If not, keep anyway. small green laughing emo

I probably should have read your post more carefully.

Yes, I agree. Keep!

 

[gbatman]

The important thing is that we have a rebuilding plan and make decisions accordingly. By that we need to know what sort of players we need to get to be premiership contenders and have a time frame and we have to know how we plan to bring those players into the club. It's important that we make decisions that improve the side/list in the long term and that our decisions that we make regarding players future aren't influenced by popularity, emotional attachment, membership or members and are made purely because to benefit the list long term and will have a positive influence on our long term success. Popular decisions are always a feel good but aren't always the right decisions. In regards to Kreuzer, lets look at our players like stocks which they effectively are more or less, he's at the peak of his career and probably won't ever be worth any more than he currently is but in saying that we would really have to be getting something very good in return. We should leave no stone unturned in our quest for good footballers and our ultimate goal and that is building a side that can win a premiership. There are still plenty of steps we need to take to become a modern football club and acting, trading, recruiting, playing and list management is all a big part of how we shape our future. There are no right and wrong decisions in regarding who we trade or let go until we know what we will gain, at this stage leaving player contracts open until we do know is a good sign of a little professionalism showing at Carlton. We would look very foolish if we sign a ruckman at the expense of obtaining a center half forward or a top level onballer so we're best to enquire.

 

[Big Sim]

The important thing is that we have a rebuilding plan and make decisions accordingly. By that we need to know what sort of players we need to get to be premiership contenders and have a time frame and we have to know how we plan to bring those players into the club. It's important that we make decisions that improve the side/list in the long term and that our decisions that we make regarding players future aren't influenced by popularity, emotional attachment, membership or members and are made purely because to benefit the list long term and will have a positive influence on our long term success. Popular decisions are always a feel good but aren't always the right decisions. In regards to Kreuzer, lets look at our players like stocks which they effectively are more or less, he's at the peak of his career and probably won't ever be worth any more than he currently is but in saying that we would really have to be getting something very good in return. We should leave no stone unturned in our quest for good footballers and our ultimate goal and that is building a side that can win a premiership. There are still plenty of steps we need to take to become a modern football club and acting, trading, recruiting, playing and list management is all a big part of how we shape our future. There are no right and wrong decisions in regarding who we trade or let go until we know what we will gain, at this stage leaving player contracts open until we do know is a good sign of a little professionalism showing at Carlton. We would look very foolish if we sign a ruckman at the expense of obtaining a center half forward or a top level onballer so we're best to enquire.

Gbatman not long after yet another post suggesting it may be worthwhile trading Kreuzer: