Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[HARKER]

I don't see the upgrade in Craig on Wiley. Or Laidley for that matter.

I don't know. He seems to be very well respected as a coach..........just not a head one.

That aside and with Mick gone, the CFC would likely want a fresh start with the coaching group........and Wiley may not care to hang around anyway.

 

[BlueJet]

What happens when we've got established senior players dishing up tripe that doesn't deserve games? I'd rather give opportunities to the kids than gift games to Yarran at the moment.

It's not a matter of gifting games to anyone, it's an issue of pushing people to the higher grade before they're physically or mentally ready for the step up.
If kids aren't getting a kick in the twos what good can there be in promoting them to the seniors?
That said, I'm all for dropping someone like Yarran who seems to get selected on reputation alone.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I don't have an issue with hoping we do our best but with the season lost, hoping for other teams to finish above us so we can maximise our draft pick. That's not tanking. Just don't want the spoon.

Personally I couldn't give a fat rats about whether we win the spoon or not - it's only one of the trivial dick-measuring stats anyway as in 'who has won the most spoons'.

To me it's obvious - it's better for us to finish last !!

- Get #1 pick
- Potentially #1 and #2 if we can swing an appropriate free agent trade.
- Give us the leverage of #1 pick in the PSD.

I just want some hope. I know what people say about 'winning culture' but don't think snagging the odd win in the arse end of the year really fosters that.

 

[BlueJet]

Personally I couldn't give a fat rats about whether we win the spoon or not - it's only one of the trivial dick-measuring stats anyway as in 'who has won the most spoons'.

To me it's obvious - it's better for us to finish last !!

- Get #1 pick
- Potentially #1 and #2 if we can swing an appropriate free agent trade.
- Give us the leverage of #1 pick in the PSD.

I just want some hope. I know what people say about 'winning culture' but don't think snagging the odd win in the arse end of the year really fosters that.

I understand where you're going but picking players who aren't deserving of games at the expense of those who are putting in the required work on the track in order to drop to the bottom of the ladder won't have any real impact on the playing group as a whole?
I'm not sure I buy that.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Personally I couldn't give a fat rats about whether we win the spoon or not - it's only one of the trivial dick-measuring stats anyway as in 'who has won the most spoons'.

To me it's obvious - it's better for us to finish last !!

- Get #1 pick
- Potentially #1 and #2 if we can swing an appropriate free agent trade.
- Give us the leverage of #1 pick in the PSD.

I just want some hope. I know what people say about 'winning culture' but don't think snagging the odd win in the arse end of the year really fosters that.

I'm a bit of a traditionalist so every spoon has hurt and we really haven't got the best out of the draft by getting the spoon either. It's not dick measuring, it's just pride. Nobody wants to be the first one eliminated from a contest, to come last in a race, to finish bottom of the class ... it's pride.

Snagging a win at the end of a season can be good for psyche, can be good for supporters, but doesn't necessarily foster that winning culture. However, making sure we can't win i.e trying to lose can foster a losing culture. We give our best, notwithstanding developing our list in doing so, and if we lose that's where we are supposed to be. If we try to lose, we have manufactured our position. Karma may see to it that #2 is better than #1. Give our best, settle into your natural position and take the best available player on your draft list when your pick is up.

 

[HBF]

I don't know. He seems to be very well respected as a coach..........just not a head one.

That aside and with Mick gone, the CFC would likely want a fresh start with the coaching group........and Wiley may not care to hang around anyway.

True.
And if he's interested in a role in Perth then maybe our hands are tied anyway.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I understand where you're going but picking players who aren't deserving of games at the expense of those who are putting in the required work on the track in order to drop to the bottom of the ladder won't have any real impact on the playing group as a whole?
I'm not sure I buy that.

But I don't think anyone is suggesting that we do.

I haven't seen any suggestions that Simpson, Tuohy, Murphy, Everitt, Kreuzer etc. get dropped for kids.

We managed to fit Holman, Fields, Cripps, Buckley and Menzel into the side last week as it was. And we need to replace Gibbs, Armfield, maybe Jamo, which means we have the opportunity to bring in more.

Looking at our injury list, the only players we can really bring in are more of the younger guys anyway. Rowe will come into contention, but otherwise it's Boek, Byrne, Dick, Jaksch, Doc, Whiley, Watson, Jones.

 

[ESKIE]

I'm not a fan of Neil Craig,

 

[Magruder]

I really like Smith though. Just seems odd he can't get a consistent game with the Suns.

Anyone mentioned Dan Currie yet?

Agree Smith would be an interesting get. Looked better than handy 2-3 years ago.

Hampson will probably be delisted at years end.

Just a thought, probably get him for a rookie spot.

Don't hate me.

Look, I'm all for second chances .... it would be great to have Megan back on our list again.

Let's just whack Megan on the rookie list.

 

[Magruder]

I can't see us winning more than two games for the rest of the season.

Personally, I don't want the spoon but if we put a decent side on the park each week, demonstrate improvement; (ie don't tank), and that's what happens. Then so be it,

 

[HARKER]

I can't see us winning more than two games for the rest of the season.

Personally, I don't want the spoon but if we put a decent side on the park each week, demonstrate improvement; (ie don't tank), and that's what happens. Then so be it,

We'll beat Hawthorn on one occasion.....Most likely the last game of the year.

 

[Big Sim]

WE don't need to tank to get the spoon, although I would say Gold Coast are odds on.

Couldn't care less if we get it as long as we don't tank. Pick 1, 2 or 3 is certain now and if we can't get a good player with it we have only ourselves to blame.

 

[FoeverBlues]

t's only one of the

WE don't need to tank to get the spoon, although I would say Gold Coast are odds on.

Couldn't care less if we get it as long as we don't tank. Pick 1, 2 or 3 is certain now and if we can't get a good player with it we have only ourselves to blame.

blame SOS

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Personally, I think we will get Aish and Collingwood will get Treloar. No way can the Pies get both (more in terms of they don't have enough trade assets)

 

[Blue__Balls]

Anyone mentioned Dan Currie yet?

Yep - had a bit to say about him back in May. In fact, it appears you and I had the discussion.

I would think he'd be second in line for us, behind the injury prone Kreuzer - not a bad place to be for an ambitious young ruckman. Think he'd slot in ahead of Wood in the pecking order. Might also provide depth for Casboult or just an extra tall option depending on match-ups, as he's shown in the VFL he can take marks and kick goals.

Averages this season (from 6 games):
39.33 hitouts
13.66 disposals
5.6 marks (47% contested)
4.33 tackles
...and has kicked 7.2 while resting forward (16.6 over 3 seasons).

Would allow us to delist Warnock and push Wood back on to the rookie list for further injury cover. I think he ticks a lot of boxes for us, and really shouldn't cost us too much (hell, we could offer up Daisy...North might see some value in it, and Daisy may not be all that keen on staying with Mick gone).

Will take a look at the rest of his season and pop my findings up shortly.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Only played 3 games after that point - out with a foot injury, listed as test at the moment.

Averages this season (from 9 games):
37.66 hitouts
12.11 disposals
5.22 marks (42.5% contested)
4 tackles
9 goals, 4 behinds in front of the big sticks

Figures are skewed a little low as he appears to have come off early in the final game. Really stacks up quite well when you consider he's been playing alongside Majak Daw, who has been chipping in with a few hitouts along the way.

 

[chunkylover53]

Personally, I think we will get Aish and Collingwood will get Treloar. No way can the Pies get both (more in terms of they don't have enough trade assets)

I'm also confident we'll get Aish. Trigg has a family connection and would be all over it.

Don't assume he just wants to play in SA because he's from there. He probably just doesn't want to play in Brisbane.

 

[passmark]

As long as Triggs connections don't get us Craig and Sanderson.

Blech.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Personally, I think we will get Aish and Collingwood will get Treloar. No way can the Pies get both (more in terms of they don't have enough trade assets)

Maybe we get both!

Purely hypothetical and probably unreleasitic, but if we dont finish top 2 and the 2 best talls are off the table, then:
Trade pick 3 + Yarran (or what we can get for Yarran in a trade) for Treloar and GWS's first (circa pick 10).
Ontrade pick 10 to Brisbane for Aish and their second (pick 20ish).

 

[EthanWTCross8]

Maybe we get both!

Purely hypothetical and probably unreleasitic, but if we dont finish top 2 and the 2 best talls are off the table, then:
Trade pick 3 + Yarran (or what we can get for Yarran in a trade) for Treloar and GWS's first (circa pick 10).
Ontrade pick 10 to Brisbane for Aish and their second (pick 20ish).

That would be unreal!!

 

[Blue__Balls]

Maybe we get both!

Purely hypothetical and probably unreleasitic, but if we dont finish top 2 and the 2 best talls are off the table, then:
Trade pick 3 + Yarran (or what we can get for Yarran in a trade) for Treloar and GWS's first (circa pick 10).
Ontrade pick 10 to Brisbane for Aish and their second (pick 20ish).

I follow the thing from start to finish and think "Hey, that makes sense".

But when I realise it's 3 + Yarran for Treloar, Aish and 20...it sounds too good to be true...

Problem being, it doesn't help our tall stocks whatsoever. There's not going to be much left at 20 in that department.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Personally, I think we will get Aish and Collingwood will get Treloar. No way can the Pies get both (more in terms of they don't have enough trade assets)

LOL. They are even considering in trying to snatch Dangerfield because they say that there is room in their cap. Why would they honestly need him for anyway?

 

[Nori]

I believe, put a good aggressive and skilled midfield in Carlton (a premiership quality midfield) then Kreuzer's special talents will become mostly unnecessary.

So we end up with a net zero gain at best. No thanks!

Kreuzer gives Carlton something special around the ball that other teams don't have. It's counter-productive to give this up for just another midfielder.

 

[gbatman]

Sorry but no thanks. I get your drift but the minute we begin to enjoy losing more than winning as supporters is the minute our culture goes into free fall. In all likelihood our best won't be good enough in most games this year, but we still have to have a 100% crack at it. Playing kids for he future is different to wanting to lose.

No it isn't if you are playing guys like Johnson, Whiley and Holman instead of pushing guys like Docherty, Walker etc to play then that's effectively development tanking. Fact of the matter is that we can't get what we need to be successful unless we finish pretty low on the ladder, those good big tall kids are likely to be gone in the first few picks and if we don't get them then we're in for another decade of being losers. Nothing wrong with trying to win as long as you're playing the youngsters and not selecting teams that will likely win . Culture will come later.

 

[gbatman]

So we end up with a net zero gain at best. No thanks!

Kreuzer gives Carlton something special around the ball that other teams don't have. It's counter-productive to give this up for just another midfielder.

Carlton don't have anything special around the ball, we're a bottom side. Cripps is the one who provides something special and rare. Kreuzer's talents are only noticed because our midfield is crap, put a good midfield in there and those one percenters aren't worth much. If we can find a club that overrates Kreuzer like a lot do and they have a good young big forward wanting to come home there aren't many players on our list we shouldn't trade, trust me he's right up there. Our list of overrated players who don't play their role but do a few other things well to keep fans going is long enough.