Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[WyntersGame_]

You do realise he cost us a pick in the 50s.

Forget next years draft, could you identify a couple of players in this draft that we could take with a late 3rd rounder?

As for who he might push out, on current raw talent, I think he has a number of our current small forwards covered, due to his scoreboard impact and midfield prowess

Ultimately, it's not a sheep station trade given the cost

I may have originally talked about what we were giving up for him before the picks were actually confirmed but my points werent around that

It was purely around the fact that AT this point in time he hasn't shown enough for me to think he is the perfect pick up for us and that I have hesitations about him

Does that mean I think he wasn't worth picking up, No, just means I'm trying to be constructive about his positives and negatives

Something I would have thought you would appreciate since it's something you continuously do with our players.

 

[WyntersGame_]

But you weren't told to look at his VFL GF stats, you were told to watch the game.

Your comment: Having a tank is fantastic but if the skills aren't there then it's pointless.

Have you watched him play at all? Because he absolutely has the skills - which makes it tank AND skills, and certainly not pointless.

My point was he has yet to replicate those skills at AFL level. If you are taking a former pick 7 you would hope you would see that in some form.

If he replicates his junior form he will be a steal, and I would love for him to.

I want players to suceed, it's great for the club on multiple facets

 

[Aphrodite]

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[bmaurizio]

Refreshing and upgrading of playing list has become a priority, more pressing and unavoidable, the Collingwood results says it all.
As the structures & barriers become more flexible larger numbers of players will migrate and I think it’s a good thing.
The system has been far too archaic and redundant, supporters want results and success and more wins, and players yearn mobilit.
AFL will have to change ite parochial ways as clubs push for results.

 

[Earls Smother]

You do realise he cost us a pick in the 50s.

Forget next years draft, could you identify a couple of players in this draft that we could take with a late 3rd rounder?

As for who he might push out, on current raw talent, I think he has a number of our current small forwards covered, due to his scoreboard impact and midfield prowess

Ultimately, it's not a sheep station trade given the cost

What an odd response.

Where have I suggested we shouldn't have taken him? The trade is fine from my perspective. The fact he was pick 7 speaks for itself in terms of talent. The trade value was never mentioned by anyone.

I was simply defending the right of the poster to have some doubts. It doesn't matter what you give up for someone, it is still ok for some to have doubts. I myself don't profess to know. I'll watch with interest in preseason and hope it is really apparent that he is better than our other options.

He did struggle for a game in a side that finished a lot lower than us - that doesn't scream "walks into the side". All I would add from personal perspective, is I would like him to be quicker than the guy he pushes out.

 

[DangerousD]

It takes a long time to do the testing, and apparently have only done the A sample.
Better to keep it quiet until it's confirmed.
You don't want situations like Peter Bol's.

Does it really take that long to do the testing?

It opens up a can of worms in the regard to him playing finals and if they win with the player being a major contributor.

As far as I’m aware cocaine is a banned game day drug, or is it banned totally in season?

 

[Aphrodite]

Does it really take that long to do the testing?

It opens up a can of worms in the regard to him playing finals and if they win with the player being a major contributor.

As far as I’m aware cocaine is a banned game day drug, or is it banned totally in season?

https://archive.md/zylZ8

The AFL complies with WADA’s anti-doping code, which is governed in Australia by SIA, and cocaine is listed on the WADA in-competition prohibited list of stimulants.
The penalty for an “in competition” positive test is up to four years’ suspension, although there are provisions for a lesser penalty in some situations.
While a four-year suspension is possible, under the AFL’s anti-doping code, if the player can prove the violation was not intentional or there are other circumstances, the penalty could be reduced to as little as a month.

 

[DangerousD]

Smith in a bit of trouble over this, could be a similar situation to Ahmed Saad. Testing positive to combine after a game is a pretty big deal, as its an in completion test i dont see the AFL being able to minimise any ban.

 

[DangerousD]

https://archive.md/zylZ8

Will be hard to prove as in intentional, Saad got a two year ban for consuming the energy drink didn’t he?

 

[WyntersGame_]

https://archive.md/zylZ8

I can't recall a player being banned for the year as stipulated there, has that happened and I'm not remembering correctly?

And how does some the player prove the violation wasn't intentional lol

Will be an interesting watch and see. I wonder if they have two samples in case he claims a false positive

 

[Aphrodite]

Will be hard to prove as in intentional, Saad got a two year ban for consuming the energy drink didn’t he?

I think from memory it was an 18 month ban, something to do with an energy drink.

 

[Benaly28]

Dees having a poor month.


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[WyntersGame_]

Will be hard to prove as in intentional, Saad got a two year ban for consuming the energy drink didn’t he?

Well that answered my post... i couldn't remember if there had been a case before

 

[WyntersGame_]

Dees having a poor month.


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Makes you wonder what's going on with the culture over there.

All clubs have players who try or do drugs, it would be naive to think otherwise, but they seem to be particularly prevalent at the moment with very publicised cases

 

[DangerousD]

Well that answered my post... i couldn't remember if there had been a case before

OKeefe and Thomas both served bans for a steroid they said was in their meat

 

[DangerousD]

Makes you wonder what's going on with the culture over there.

All clubs have players who try or do drugs, it would be naive to think otherwise, but they seem to be particularly prevalent at the moment with very publicised cases

This might not sound great but i hope our players are a bit smarter with their choice of drugs. Cocaine is on the list of banned in comp drugs, so why are players still doing coke mid year?

 

[The Bighouse]

Makes you wonder what's going on with the culture over there.

All clubs have players who try or do drugs, it would be naive to think otherwise, but they seem to be particularly prevalent at the moment with very publicised cases

Higher ratio than not IMO.
Isn’t this their (MFC) one & only case?

 

[thebluenewdeal]

SThis might not sound great but i hope our players are a bit smarter with their choice of drugs. Cocaine is on the list of banned in comp drugs, so why are players still doing coke mid year?

 

[Arr0w]

I may have originally talked about what we were giving up for him before the picks were actually confirmed but my points werent around that

It was purely around the fact that AT this point in time he hasn't shown enough for me to think he is the perfect pick up for us and that I have hesitations about him

Does that mean I think he wasn't worth picking up, No, just means I'm trying to be constructive about his positives and negatives

Something I would have thought you would appreciate since it's something you continuously do with our players.

Not sure why you replied to my post, but I guess my point stands, it's a late 3rd round pick and I personally believe it's a steal if you consider the alternative, which is an untried draftee

What an odd response.

What part was odd

Where have I suggested we shouldn't have taken him? The trade is fine from my perspective. The fact he was pick 7 speaks for itself in terms of talent. The trade value was never mentioned by anyone.

Never passed comment on whether you thought we should or shouldn't trade for him

I was simply defending the right of the poster to have some doubts.

I am sure the poster can articulate a response

It doesn't matter what you give up for someone, it is still ok for some to have doubts. I myself don't profess to know. I'll watch with interest in preseason and hope it is really apparent that he is better than our other options.

Of course people can have doubts, same if we take a draftee with a late 3rd rounder

He did struggle for a game in a side that finished a lot lower than us - that doesn't scream "walks into the side".

Clearly there were other players that Dew preferred in the role he would normally play, but that has nothing to do with our list make-up and what we require

All I would add from personal perspective, is I would like him to be quicker than the guy he pushes out.

I agree with you, a quicker version would be more ideal, but I prefer a footballer first over an athlete

 

[WyntersGame_]

Not sure why you replied to my post, but I guess my point stands, it's a late 3rd round pick and I personally believe it's a steal if you consider the alternative, which is an untried draftee


What part was odd


Never passed comment on whether you thought we should or shouldn't trade for him


I am sure the poster can articulate a response


Of course people can have doubts, same if we take a draftee with a late 3rd rounder


Clearly there were other players that Dew preferred in the role he would normally play, but that has nothing to do with our list make-up and what we require



I agree with you, a quicker version would be more ideal, but I prefer a footballer first over an athlete

I may have misread the post and if I did then I apologise.

My understanding was that Earl was referencing my posts around Elijah and the fact that certain posters were being particularly negative around my hesitation with him coming on board, and then providing his own thoughts on the matter.

To which you have responded with your post that I responded to.

It was why I was a little confused by your response, as most posts I see of yours, you state you try and look at the positives and the weaknesses. Something I was trying to do as well and it has resulted in certain people overreacting to what I thought was constructive thoughts.

Again I apologise if I misunderstood. At the end of the day I'm happy he's onboard and hope he can cement the HF role as his own.

 

[Earls Smother]

Not sure why you replied to my post, but I guess my point stands, it's a late 3rd round pick and I personally believe it's a steal if you consider the alternative, which is an untried draftee


What part was odd


Never passed comment on whether you thought we should or shouldn't trade for him


I am sure the poster can articulate a response


Of course people can have doubts, same if we take a draftee with a late 3rd rounder


Clearly there were other players that Dew preferred in the role he would normally play, but that has nothing to do with our list make-up and what we require



I agree with you, a quicker version would be more ideal, but I prefer a footballer first over an athlete

The focus of your response to me was on the trade value. "A pick in the 50's", "not a sheep station". Then asking me who I would select with that pick instead.

Those points are all totally irrelevant to the post of mine you responded to. I didn't think it was unreasonable of the (or any) poster to express some doubts about the bona fides of EH at senior level thus far. He was told he was "using hooch" for daring to have a different opinion to most. That type of posting shits me, so I went in to bat for him/her.

 

[Arr0w]

The focus of your response to me was on the trade value. "A pick in the 50's", "not a sheep station". Then asking me who I would select with that pick instead.

Those points are all totally irrelevant to the post of mine you responded to. I didn't think it was unreasonable of the (or any) poster to express some doubts about the bona fides of EH at senior level thus far. He was told he was "using hooch" for daring to have a different opinion to most. That type of posting shits me, so I went in to bat for him/her.

Okay

So you have no concerns with us trading in Hollands, just took issue the way someone responded to another poster

But then, poster is in their right to have concerns

Is it okay that some of us don't have concerns with that trade?

 

[thylacine60]

In fairness, I was basing my comment off the previous poster stating his Stats from the VFL GF was justification enough for getting him onboard

My point was we had similar players who were within our VFL team who were also showing the same form. But within the forum there were arguments / discussions all year about whether they should be within the AFL team on gameday.

If we are going purely off that information it doesn't mean a lot.

But hey he's a Carlton player now and full support to him. I hope he claims that HF position as his own and is the complimentary key to Martin and Cunners. And if not them whoever steps into that role within the team. I think his tank will help him supply the pressure we need off that HF line where we have be caught out this year

bang!

 

[Ezayyak]

Hoping we have a forward line mix of Harry, Charlie, Martin, Motlop, Hollands, Richie and SOS. If they end up being the mix there will be enough marking power, skill and explosiveness to cause havoc.

 

[The Bighouse]

Has there been any murmur or mention anywhere on the release date of the 2024 fixture?