Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXV - 'Loopy' Season has begun

[ABigOlDoofus]

Are either of these things true? I thought he was a plodder and average by foot?

IMO, No one at Essendon is going to improve the Carlton list.

Contract year Stringer would improve our side, and I rate Ridley quite a bit. But other than that I agree.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Contract year Stringer would improve our side, and I rate Ridley quite a bit. But other than that I agree.

I updated my post to say "gettable" players but yeah Ridley, Martin and Merrett would obviously be awesome but outside of that, and outside of their kids who haven't got the Essendon stain on them, I wouldn't take anyone else. I couldn't handle Stringer in a Blues jumper even if it was a contract year.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

I don't think this rings true at all, he's ok by foot and I wouldn't say he's quick. Bog average footballer IMO, good at a lot of things but not great at any one thing, provides no point of difference.

Be hit 33.5km/h in his most recent match, would be our fastest player by a STRETCH now that Saad is aging a bit

Also went at 95% last week

Take the goggles off lol

EDIT:
The last time any of our players hit that speed was round 13 with Bot hitting 33.9km/h

 

[Jimmae]

Cripps selfish.. give the guy a break! Completely opposite that.

He's had his moments, but unlike Walsh he is clearly learning from them.

calling for the ball running past when running straight into a tackle?

Bingo.

Because of the injuries we haven’t been able to rest up players, said it earlier in the season when there was carnage. Russell and his crew have completely butchered multiple seasons now.
In an ideal world you would be managing your guns in the back half of the season, I’d go as far to say as they were starting to do that by leaving out Hewitt, making Kennedy the sub etc but my point is you need to be in a ladder position to do so.
The GWS and Dogs games were critical, we win those two and we’d have been able to really start to manage the team. But we didn’t, and the injuries we have now are a big reason of not being able to manage because we’ve been chasing a ladder position ever since.

I'd argue the push and pull of the football, high performance and medical staff is doing this. And once you demoralise the players, that exacerbates the issue.

Hard to get the best out of yourself without much dopamine and oxytocin, or a good night's sleep.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Be hit 33.5km/h in his most recent match, would be our fastest player by a STRETCH now that Saad is aging a bit

Also went at 95% last week

Take the goggles off lol

EDIT:
The last time any of our players hit that speed was round 13 with Bot hitting 33.9km/h

Even if the tracking is true, as it often provides incorrect data, there's more to being quick than top speed. I don't think he's quick off the mark, in his decision making or his disposal. I wouldn't say he's slow by any stretch, I just don't think he's fast either.

You say the last time one of our players hit that speed it was Bot, would you say Bot is a fast player? I certainly wouldn't.

 

[95blues]

Be hit 33.5km/h in his most recent match, would be our fastest player by a STRETCH now that Saad is aging a bit

Also went at 95% last week

Take the goggles off lol

EDIT:
The last time any of our players hit that speed was round 13 with Bot hitting 33.9km/h

Agree. Classic Carlton fans.

Would have him delivering into the forward 50 over 95% of our list. And is also quicker than all but maybe 3 on our list.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Agree. Classic Carlton fans.

Would have him delivering into the forward 50 over 95% of our list. And is also quicker than all but maybe 3 on our list.

I dunno, maybe I just haven't watched enough of him, I just don't rate him as highly as a few on this board do. Not saying he's a bad footballer by any stretch, just don't think he'd really move the needle for us.

 

[95blues]

I dunno, maybe I just haven't watched enough of him, I just don't rate him as highly as a few on this board do. Not saying he's a bad footballer by any stretch, just don't think he'd really move the needle for us.

Only issue is height.

Walks into our 18 imo.

Think they only just signed him for 6 more yrs though.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Only issue is height.

Walks into our 18 imo.

Think they only just signed him for 6 more yrs though.

Oh I 100% agree he'd be a best 18 player, just not sure he's worth the theoretical cost it would take to get him over.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Even if the tracking is true, as it often provides incorrect data, there's more to being quick than top speed. I don't think he's quick off the mark, in his decision making or his disposal. I wouldn't say he's slow by any stretch, I just don't think he's fast either.

You say the last time one of our players hit that speed it was Bot, would you say Bot is a fast player? I certainly wouldn't.

I would absolutely say Bot is a fast player, it’s about the only attribute he has that I like

Well that and his contested ball winning ability

I think McGrath is very quick off the mark, I think he’s a jet

Though in fairness to you, a lot of Dons supporters don’t love him either

 

[LFTWNG11]

Crazy how many supporters are blinded by flashy moments. Cripps is an extremely selfish player.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Crazy how many supporters are blinded by flashy moments. Cripps is an extremely selfish player.

For his milestone game he could've made a thing about it, but instead said nope we are playing shit i don't want to be carried off the ground. yep selfish...

 

[I bleed Blue]

I wonder what AR thought about the training loads?

From the horses mouth. Push them until you break them. Cross your fingers you don't break your stars

 

[LFTWNG11]

For his milestone game he could've made a thing about it, but instead said nope we are playing shit i don't want to be carried off the ground. yep selfish...

Didn’t say he wasn’t a good bloke. Talking about the actual on-field play.

 

[Sam The Doc]

From the horses mouth. Push them until you break them. Cross your fingers you don't break your stars

absolute madness comments. Lions last year had like 2-3 on the injury list all year long (including ashcroft acl)
they played the gf and almost won....

 

[DangerousD]

FWIW - some second hand information from a couple of players:

- Think they've been training too hard during the week. Voss has been very hard on the group and they are just exhausted.

- Vossy gave a few of the senior players a spray for being selfish (inc. Crippa).

- Players did get a bit cocky after the mid-season wins.

- Players still like Voss but he is very very tough in striving to win.

- Bit of a feeling some just want the season to end so I don't hold out a lot of hope for the last two games.

If we assume this is true, it begs the question, where are the fitness staff?

Where’s the injury management, injury prevention, the fitness staff standing up and saying, sorry mate players A,B,C need to be able to recover?

 

[teagueyubeauty]

From the horses mouth. Push them until you break them. Cross your fingers you don't break your stars

Wow, just wow….no you work with your players to find the maximum effort to enhance fitness without your players breaking down.
That could and should mean individual programs as all players would have different thresholds

Got smashed incessantly for bagging this bloke but those comments are ****ing absurd

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[azlou]

From the horses mouth. Push them until you break them. Cross your fingers you don't break your stars

That is a crazy metric to base training loads I’m glad he’s gone.
That’s like caveman crap

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

Players did get a bit cocky after the mid-season wins.

It’s hard running out 4 quarters with a belly full of bathwater.

 

[Blue since 72]

Didn’t say he wasn’t a good bloke. Talking about the actual on-field play.

Don't believe selfish is the right word, he's been guilty of trying to do too much with ball in hand but I believe that stems from being the captain and early on not trusting others. I think he feels that he should be leading by example (misplaced in terms of his actions) and needed to carry the team on his back.

He certainly did the above a lot early on in his captaincy but nowadays, while it still happens a little bit I think he's largely knocked this out of his game.

 

[blue healer]

Having spoken to a few in and around the club, the issues usually seem to stem back to the players. Players not working or training hard or smart enough, lazy attitudes, selfish decision making on the field, etc.

The coach is the easy scapegoat, but the fact that this same group has had similar issues with multiple coaches is what is ringing alarm bells for me. Coaching I’m sure has something to do with it, but the players are the ones who ultimately must execute. And if they aren’t putting themselves in the best place to do that, then there’s not much a coach can do

Only 15 of the current list are on their third coach, 25 are on their second, I think that is hardly "this same group" that has had similar issues with multiple coaches.

No one was complaining about the players skills. attitude or comittment between the Essendon game last year and the second GWS game this year while we were clocking up 22 wins from 28 games but the minute we start to lose a few it seems to be mostly about the players and the list.

 

[RAPPA]

Well, it is classic Carlton to clean out the rubbish 2 or 3 years after the required date. AR would've arrived on big coin and a huge expectation on what he could deliver. His portfolio didn't yield acceptable results during his tenure. Frustrating that the years have been wasted but change next year brings optimism and hope in the fitness space. As would removing the perennially injured from the list, and leaving it to just Cerra and Gov as the players with the flaky bodies.

 

[myblueroan]

Well, it is classic Carlton to clean out the rubbish 2 or 3 years after the required date. AR would've arrived on big coin and a huge expectation on what he could deliver. His portfolio didn't yield acceptable results during his tenure. Frustrating that the years have been wasted but change next year brings optimism and hope in the fitness space. As would removing the perennially injured from the list, and leaving it to just Cerra and Gov as the players with the flaky bodies.

Williams?

 

[RAPPA]

Williams?

Ah yes, how could i forget. Williams, Cerra, Gov and Martin: that's a whole heap of dough for a decent period of time sitting on the sidelines.

 

[Blue since 72]

From the horses mouth. Push them until you break them. Cross your fingers you don't break your stars

No idea if what's been mentioned is true but if someone sanctioned heavy training loads in season between games I'd say they're a ****ing moron.

More broadly this isn't the SAS induction program, is breaking players really the most scientific why we can analyse what their limits are?

Having said that regardless of who was running high performance guys like Cunningham, Marchbank, S Durdin and to somewhat of a lesser degree Martin (he did make 150 games after all) should not be at the club and the first two should have gone some time ago.

Both Cunningham and Marchbank have averaged less than 8 games a year over their 8 year careers as supposed first 22 players and Martin sits at just below 14 over 11.

It's going to be real interesting to see how Russell's replacement goes.