Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[CeeDee88]

what is happening

 

[Soapy V]

what is happening

Yep

 

[Adsky]

Because for 3 later meaningless picks they could upgrade 32 into the 1st round.

I understand their desire to get another 1st rounder, but they've given the reigning premiers exactly what they needed to get Ashcroft and the academy kid. Surely from an integrity point of view, the AFL should be stopping this kind of trade from happening.

 

[Stamos]

I understand their desire to get another 1st rounder, but they've given the reigning premiers exactly what they needed to get Ashcroft and the academy kid. Surely from an integrity point of view, the AFL should be stopping this kind of trade from happening.

What do you mean integrity?
They're allowed to make a trade that benefits both parties.

The DVI changes next year will make a big difference to these sorts of trades.

 

[The Bighouse]

We’re live!

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Huh?

 

[Sam The Doc]

what is happening

hey hawks remember that time we helped you like a decade ago...

 

[Sam The Doc]

Huh?

what the

 

[HereComesJuddy]

2 F 2nd round picks now. Let’s ****ing go Blues. There’s clearly a plan

 

[Coops93]

Agreed. We were hoping teams would get carried away with his season, as the media have, but football people are smarter than this.

We have others who are important in our side who would command little on the open market. Cottrell, Fogarty, Durdin for example. All teams have these guys.

I think there could be a bit of buyers hesitation after the Schulz trade of last yr. I don't see them as hugely different in a physical sense, both short, not overly fast, not overly strong, don't provide a heap of inside 50 pressure, aren't super creative around goals.

Schulz came off a statistically great season, but his limitations were still there. Owies has come off a great statistical season, but the limitations are still there.

They aren't exactly the same players, Schulz is more creative and much more a ground level/crumber type while Owies is a 3rd tall in a smalls body, but in terms of physical traits t

 

[The Bighouse]

what is happening

Can’t see it happening, Jon.
Baker has nominated WCE.

 

[Sam The Doc]

2 2nd round picks now. Let’s ****ing go Blues. There’s clearly a plan

we just traded it?

 

[Revenant1965]

Huh?

Means we've probably got Hawks pick 14...

 

[Juddrockz]

We’re live!

No wonder Leppa is back peddling and making himself look like a tool with his stupid comments on Trade radio.

 

[RPCB]

The link in the tweet “Hawthorn is considering trading its no.14 draft pick for Carlton’s future first and second-round picks in a development that would turn the trade period on its head.
The Hawks are believed to feel they are being urged to pay too much for Eagles defender Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

and are keen to move on with a separate deal.
The Eagles want the Hawks No.14 pick and their future first-round pick but would give their future second round pick back.
Trading out pick 14 to Carlton would mean the only way the Hawks could get a Barrass deal done would be by the Hawks then using future picks.”

 

[Arr0w]

The Suns or Hawks pick now in play

Juicy

 

[Soapy V]

Huh?

hang on everybody. It's starting

 

[branedotorg]

So Richmond just handed Brisbane 1700 draft points for 910 in return... well done geniuses. It's equivalent of gifting pick 24 for nothing. Has to be one of the worst picks trades of all time. How is it even allowed?

they'll likely end up with 1,6,10,18,20 after this and won't use the later picks.

It's a win because they weren't ever going to take the later picks

 

[Pablito]

2 2nd round picks now. Let’s ****ing go Blues. There’s clearly a plan

Wrong way around.

We have 2 next year. And none this year at this stage.

 

[branedotorg]

Huh?

means we can now trade an f1 & f2

if you trade an f1 you need to have f2,3,4 to stop you mortgaging your future

 

[BlueTang]

Huh?

Sounds like we got ripped off. Damn

 

[The Bighouse]

No wonder Leppa is back peddling and making himself look like a tool with his stupid comments on Trade radio.

Was hoping MK may have pulled through for one of many of (the previous) RFC pick in the 30’s.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Can’t see it happening, Jon.
Baker has nominated WCE.

Baker will go where we bloody well tell him to go !!

 

[TerryWallet]

I'd say that pickswap of ours means we have won the Pick 13 race from GC for our future 1 & 2.

 

[BlueZombie]

I don’t care who we end up with whether it’s trades or the draft I just want our most glaring difficiency addressed….SPEED.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mo

I have been reluctant to respond to you given some RL dramas having me in the mood to return in kind the personal attack you have chosen. I actually thought your “passionate” original post was tongue in cheek. As we have had plenty of positive interaction, including PM’s I was taken aback by this aggressive outburst. An outburst “earning” you likes and even a “Love” at my expense. A PM would have been empathetically met, but you choose to grandstand.

I actually gave you the credit to think you were aware of our list situation and that the implausible post you offered was somewhat sarcastic. Clearly that wasn’t the case.

I am over posters dumping on Nick Austin and suggesting a lack of competence. (Aren’t there rules around criticising club officials as well as players) The bloke’s hands are tied and he is approaching the trade and draft period very pragmatically. Every piece of logic around his role to manage the LONG TERM viability of the list. He is not a media performer and not paid to be one.

We have just enough draft capital to get done what he is planning, to optimise the effectiveness of the list. He is very honest in his interviews and respectful to all participants internal and external, but copping heaps from our learned supporters.

We have to date created three main list vacancies. For the exercise dismiss the rookie movements. That is the rookie movements outside of Jordan Boyd contracted for two more years and thus needing to be upgraded to the main list as per AFL rules. The signing of Nick Haynes has taken up another of the vacancies. We currently have one vacant list spot. We need to create two more which must be used at the draft (or extra rookie elevations). That is a statutory requirement.

We currently have four uncontracted or “unwanted/shopped” main list players Owies and Jack Carroll and the contracted Kennedy and Young deemed expendable. We also make assumptions there is a chance to downgrade or delist the likes Fantasia to further create a spot. The other way to create spots is to alter the balance of main list to rookie listed players. This has salary cap ramifications as well as pure list mechanics. Fair to say would be a last resort and would impact negatively on the available salary cap to spend on prospective recruits.

To use our first round pick in the draft and at a minimum sign our father son boys, we need two more list spots created. Austin is trying to obtain another pick utilising our future first rounder to either use in the draft or in a trade. Either way we then require another draft pick created demanding a delisting or trade of three of Owies, Carroll, Kennedy and Young.

This is regarded as the deepest draft in history, an assessment I agree with. Not necessarily the best at the pointy end, but quality in to the third round. Teams do not want to expend their picks well in to the forties, so getting fair value for those we trade out is going to be almost impossible. Many clubs have delisted proven AFL players “in their prime” to create list space to cash in on this draft.

Austin will not totally reject making a trade if an advantageous one falls in our lap in the public domain as never say never is a thing. He wants the draft. With our salary cap position, short of stressing it further and jeopardising losing, in particular Tom De Koning because another club offers twice what we can afford due to cap stress, we are not doing high value trades. He clearly prefers to hit a draft where we can find players to contribute substantially to the club for a decade and a half, rather than find another fringe or flawed “mature” stopgap option.

There is a difference between harmlessly spitballing BS impractical trade options and posting the same in conjunction with negative comments to our List Manager.

As I said, I thought I detected an element of sarcasm in your post that clearly wasn’t there. I also thought I was interacting, albeit in passing with a poster up for a bit of banter. I am sorry you took offence at the emoji expressing an emotion. I am sick of the (to use your word) constant trolling of our List Manager, a bloke responsibly going about his very difficult role while being mischievously “trolled” by the media and indeed his club’s own supporters.

Means we've probably got Hawks pick 14...

Why's that, Rev? Would be terrific if true.