Rumour Bluemour Discussion XXXVI - 'Loopy' Season in full swing

[Arr0w]

If Carlton were to trade a future first for say 19 It will end of at pick 25 plus sacrificing pick 11. In 2 years Houston and 2nd coming back will be mediocre players compared to the probability of
2024Pick 11 - Travaglia, Trainor, Lindsay
Pick 19 next year.
I see Houston worth not more than a future first, punting we finish higher next year. Even then I back the draft

I never suggested using 2 x 1st rounders on Houston

Either pick 11, or most likely using our future 1st

 

[TheBlueCampaigner]

I get that, but quality players always fit a need. Just depends how they fit with the broader multi-year list strategy.

But then you lose the capital to address the needs.

 

[Blue Reaper]

But then you lose the capital to address the needs.

Definitely requires a considered balanced approach. Personally, I don’t know the exact best approach but would like to see an effort to push for a premiership now with a strong eye on future sustained success. So yeah, I want it all

 

[katmanblue]

I definitely make the argument that Cerra is one of the B graders you're seeking in a position of need.

I agree.

Cerra at his best projects as an A grader.

The problem is he hasn't played a whole season at that level. And it's doubtful he ever will with his soft tissue issues which will likely keep popping up.

I think he's a solid B grader with patcges of brilliance.

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[Carl]

People want a 2nd rounder for Kennedy and aren't prepared to pay pick 11 for Houston. Port Adelaide want a 1st round pick this year.

27yo AA players don't come cheap. If we are serious and want to win a flag we need to chase him hard. If it cost a 1st and 2nd this year with Houston and a 3rd coming back then you pay up.

I don't trust Austin to get the picks right. His refusal to delist list cloggers and give players stupid multi year contracts is ridiculous. It's like he doesn't trust himself to pick the right players. He doesn't want to fail.

Since he's been the list manager we would have picked the least amount of players in the national draft (i haven't added the stats up because i couldn't be stuffed, but i bet i'm right). What does that say? It either says he's got no idea or he thinks we have a great list. I will let you decide.

Someone needs to decide what's wrong with the club.
Coach?
Recruitment?
Player development?
List management?
Injuries?
Mentality?

All I know is I'm sick of this club under achieving and shit needs to change. Due to the complete lack of trust at anyone at the club I would prefer to recruit Houston. Having said that if i'm Houston i would stay at Port.

 

[The Bighouse]

People want a 2nd rounder for Kennedy and aren't prepared to pay pick 11 for Houston. Port Adelaide want a 1st round pick this year.

27yo AA players don't come cheap. If we are serious and want to win a flag we need to chase him hard. If it cost a 1st and 2nd this year with Houston and a 3rd coming back then you pay up.

I don't trust Austin to get the picks right. His refusal to delist list cloggers and give players stupid multi year contracts is ridiculous. It's like he doesn't trust himself to pick the right players. He doesn't want to fail.

Since he's been the list manager we would have picked the least amount of players in the national draft (i haven't added the stats up because i couldn't be stuffed, but i bet i'm right). What does that say? It either says he's got no idea or he thinks we have a great list. I will let you decide.

Someone needs to decide what's wrong with the club.
Coach?
Recruitment?
Player development?
List management?
Injuries?
Mentality?

All I know is I'm sick of this club under achieving and shit needs to change. Due to the complete lack of trust at anyone at the club I would prefer to recruit Houston. Having said that if i'm Houston i would stay at Port.

Sat out COVID drafts (Saad then Cerra trades) and then resumed in ‘22. ‘20 was strategic as not much to work on.

‘22 (6): OH, Moo, Binns, Lemmey + HOK & Cincotta
‘23 (4) Moir, Wilson + M.Carroll & Lord (MSD)
+ soon to be (2) x Irish recruits (strategic again)

Also recruited in best XXIII in EH, Acres, Hewett + ZW & Fogarty on top of Cez & Saad (7) with potential for 4/5 draftees of the above in the mix.

 

[DangerousD]

Beware the pick downgrade...Fools Paradise thinking a pick around 25 + Houston is equal to Travaglia, Lindsay or Trainor.
I see Houston as 2 seasons as an A Grader and 2 seasons as a B Grader = 80 games
Pick 25 is at the very best Berry falls our way maybe worse.
Point is after 2 years it is quite possible the side is full of mediocrity

This is a deep draft. I am pretty Confident Travaglia projects as a 150 to 200 game Half Back Flanker
Trainor should be avallable and he is a key piece of the puzzle
Lindsay good as well.
Far more likely to get a 10 year B to A Grader

How many games did you pencil Dow in pre draft? What about SPS? O’Brien? Stocker? How many games did you pencil in Marchbank playing who we gave a 1st round pick for?

Go and look at every draft the last 10 years and see how many players in the 1st round were busts and every year on every board there would have been posts like yours, player A is going to be a gun, player B will be a star, dont trade away our pick, this guys going to be a 10 year player, but that’s not the reality of drafting.

If you think Houston only has 2 years left as an A grader, what about Weits, Harry, Charlie and Cripps? Houston is the same age as the first three.

 

[Bfevola]

A reminder. Houston less than 5 votes.

We dont want to give up 1st rounders for him.

 

[carlton_99]

A reminder. Houston less than 5 votes.

We dont want to give up 1st rounders for him.

I wouldn't be using Brownlow vote totals to evaluate the performance of any player let alone a defender

 

[Michael Jezz]

How many games did you pencil Dow in pre draft? What about SPS? O’Brien? Stocker? How many games did you pencil in Marchbank playing who we gave a 1st round pick for?

Go and look at every draft the last 10 years and see how many players in the 1st round were busts and every year on every board there would have been posts like yours, player A is going to be a gun, player B will be a star, dont trade away our pick, this guys going to be a 10 year player, but that’s not the reality of drafting.

If you think Houston only has 2 years left as an A grader, what about Weits, Harry, Charlie and Cripps? Houston is the same age as the first three.

That is a reflection of the recruiting of the time. In a deep draft you don't get frightened and trade your first round pick. Only an administrator or bureacrat uses averages to define strategy in a dynamic environment

 

[HereComesJuddy]

People want a 2nd rounder for Kennedy and aren't prepared to pay pick 11 for Houston. Port Adelaide want a 1st round pick this year.

27yo AA players don't come cheap. If we are serious and want to win a flag we need to chase him hard. If it cost a 1st and 2nd this year with Houston and a 3rd coming back then you pay up.

I don't trust Austin to get the picks right. His refusal to delist list cloggers and give players stupid multi year contracts is ridiculous. It's like he doesn't trust himself to pick the right players. He doesn't want to fail.

Since he's been the list manager we would have picked the least amount of players in the national draft (i haven't added the stats up because i couldn't be stuffed, but i bet i'm right). What does that say? It either says he's got no idea or he thinks we have a great list. I will let you decide.

Someone needs to decide what's wrong with the club.
Coach?
Recruitment?
Player development?
List management?
Injuries?
Mentality?

All I know is I'm sick of this club under achieving and shit needs to change. Due to the complete lack of trust at anyone at the club I would prefer to recruit Houston. Having said that if i'm Houston i would stay at Port.

Fair rant there mate. It feels like you are running with the old “entitled” rant. Like we are under achieving and all that. Well, winning a premiership is extremely hard to do especially in this day and age and this year didn’t go to plan. Well, that’s life!

Houston won’t bring us a premiership and I don’t recall anyone saying that Houston isn’t worth pick 11. From my point of view at least is that the club has too many holes and adding a half back no matter how good Houston is won’t win us a premiership. Not to mention he will cost us at least 800k or so. Like how many top paid players can 1 team have without it becoming a problem to the B and C graders. Can’t attract those types often if you have near 50% of the cap tied up in approx 8 players: Cripps, McKay, Charlie, Weitering, Walsh, TDK, Williams, Cerra and then you want to add Houston.

You don’t just trade 11 when you have no speed in the midfield, no small forwards and an aging backline and the cap bursting at the seams if we did get Houston. Of course Houston is worth that and then some, but if we do somehow go after Houston we need to find other ways rather than just handing that pick over. Pick 11 needs to go to the draft on a very good mid of small/medium forward or even a key back that we are lacking. If Weitering goes down, then what???

Future 1st for Houston and if Port aren’t interested we should walk away. You then try and get 2-3 picks inside the top 30 and address areas of concern.

Houston is a great player but until we fix our midfield and forward line, we aren’t winning a premiership sorry to burst your bubble

 

[HereComesJuddy]

A reminder. Houston less than 5 votes.

We dont want to give up 1st rounders for him.

Probably a good amount of votes for a hbf. Was there annyone else who plays his position poll the same or better??? Brownlow votes mean nothing to the type of player Houston is and what he does for a team.

That said, I’m not wanting him at the Blues. But he would improve us

 

[Blue_Fusion]

People want a 2nd rounder for Kennedy and aren't prepared to pay pick 11 for Houston. Port Adelaide want a 1st round pick this year.

27yo AA players don't come cheap. If we are serious and want to win a flag we need to chase him hard. If it cost a 1st and 2nd this year with Houston and a 3rd coming back then you pay up.

I don't trust Austin to get the picks right. His refusal to delist list cloggers and give players stupid multi year contracts is ridiculous. It's like he doesn't trust himself to pick the right players. He doesn't want to fail.

Since he's been the list manager we would have picked the least amount of players in the national draft (i haven't added the stats up because i couldn't be stuffed, but i bet i'm right). What does that say? It either says he's got no idea or he thinks we have a great list. I will let you decide.

Someone needs to decide what's wrong with the club.
Coach?
Recruitment?
Player development?
List management?
Injuries?
Mentality?

All I know is I'm sick of this club under achieving and shit needs to change. Due to the complete lack of trust at anyone at the club I would prefer to recruit Houston. Having said that if i'm Houston i would stay at Port.

Houston isn't going to bring us a flag mate... not even close...

Our midfield is screwed if Cripps or TDK goes down... God help us if we lose both for an extended amount of time...

You want to talk about dumb list management... how dumb would it be to spend another top pick on a half back, like we haven't already done that with Saad...

 

[Opium]

Probably a good amount of votes for a hbf. Was there annyone else who plays his position poll the same or better??? Brownlow votes mean nothing to the type of player Houston is and what he does for a team.

That said, I’m not wanting him at the Blues. But he would improve us

Whitfield, Nick Martin Spring to mind

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Whitfield, Nick Martin Spring to mind

Elite company then

 

[Juddrockz]

A reminder. Houston less than 5 votes.

We dont want to give up 1st rounders for him.

It's a midfield award.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

You don't chase targets based on Brownlow votes...

What they bring to the team is paramount. Houston brings elite kicking and he is responsible for a fair amount of Port's score launches. An improvement no doubt, but I doubt it's enough of an improvement compared to what it will cost us.

 

[Arr0w]

2 players that played most of their footy as defenders this year, Stewart and Zorko polled more than 10 votes

Would never use the brownlow as an indication as to the quality of a player

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Whitfield, Nick Martin Spring to mind

Nic Martin is a jet but he and Whitfield are both far less accountable than Houston

Would take Houston and Martin any day though

 

[Thrawn]

A reminder. Houston less than 5 votes.

We dont want to give up 1st rounders for him.

And Weitering had 0.

 

[Arr0w]

Some strange metrics to justify the quality of a player, Nick Blakey

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Nick Blakey

Age

24

Ht

196cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.4

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

7.2

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.2

3star

must be a hack

 

[AT97]

A reminder. Houston less than 5 votes.

We dont want to give up 1st rounders for him.

Not sure umpires opinions are used to ascertain trade value of trade targets.

 

[TENACIOUS]

2 players that played most of their footy as defenders this year, Stewart and Zorko polled more than 10 votes

Would never use the brownlow as an indication as to the quality of a player

Unless that player scores 45 votes

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Not sure umpires opinions are used to ascertain trade value of trade targets.

Umpires just vote for the same players repeatedly….

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Unless that player scores 45 votes

Yes, if they score at least 45 votes or over then they are Legend status for the next 100 years.